(Light Foot)

06/08/08 08:09 PM

No place to hunt :(

Well, this sucks. I've had to get off of my lease from last year, because I'm expecting a boy in Sept. It seems like hunting now has become prohibitivly expensive. I make 16 bucks an hour, my wife doesn't work, and I'm expecting a kid. Lol, looks like public land for me! Sorry, just needed to bitch.

(THF Celebrity)

06/08/08 08:21 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

With everything that is going on with the economy, I feel that a lot of us will be in that same boat as far as hunting goes this Fall.

There will be a lot of bitchin' going on over the next few months. JMO.

Sorry to hear of your problems, hope the baby is healthy and your wife does fine.

(Veteran Tracker)

06/08/08 08:29 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

kids are expensive, so are hobbies.

i chose not to have any kids

(Extreme Tracker)

06/08/08 08:30 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Where do you live?

(THF Trophy Hunter)

06/08/08 09:09 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Heck, day hunt. Do a little at a time! You can't give up everything!!!

(Pro Tracker)

06/11/08 04:38 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Hope it works out for ya and Good Luck

(Bird Dog)

06/11/08 04:55 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Where do you live. Hope it works out for you.

(Light Foot)

06/11/08 07:01 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I'm in Ft. Worth. Me and my Dad used to go canoeing down the Brazos River, just wondering, can you kill deer if your on the river? And are the grasslands worth checking out?

(Woodsman)

06/17/08 10:42 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I believe there is something in the TPWD APH booklet about shooting from a boat. As far as I can remember-it's not allowed, but check the TPWD web site to be sure.

I don't know anything about the grasslands. Sorry.

(Pro Tracker)

06/17/08 11:44 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

It is against the law to:

-hunt any wild animal or wild bird, including exotic animals, on foot or from a vehicle on any public road or road right-of-way, or a boat on public water, except that migratory waterfowl may be hunted from a boat or any floating craft (except a sink box) under certain conditions. (See Migratory Game Bird.)

(Bird Dog)

07/04/08 03:31 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

If you are willing to walk to the spots others don't want to, take a blind or stand in and out each time and bow hunt you could get a decent deer and there are hogs too on the grasslands. It isn't easy and anything left may not be around. I would start scouting early. Get your permit and a map at the office in Decatur then get some aerial pic from mapslive.com or mapquest.com and start setting up, maybe plant (broadcast) some annual rye around the first of Sept. and put out soured corn for the hogs. (check baiting rules)

(THF Celebrity)

07/04/08 04:20 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

This is from the LBJ-Caddo Grasslands website:

Baiting

Baiting and hunting over baited areas to attract wildlife is not allowed on national forest lands.

(Bird Dog)

07/04/08 08:58 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I know the rules may say that and I'm not advocating putting out a feeder but if you happen to carry in a gallon zip lock bag of corn with you, for a cushioned seat say, and it springs a leak and the corn falls out and this happens over a few sits it could make it a more productive spot. The corn might or might not be mixed with some cherry jello mix. Then it would be more like recycling than baiting see?

(Bird Dog)

07/04/08 09:01 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

And broadcasting some annual rye and it growing is not baiting and is as effective as corn when we get some September rains. Just don't leave a stand up because it gives away your spot and may get taken from you. You may have some people on horses ride around but the deer are used to them, sit it out.

(THF Celebrity)

07/05/08 09:06 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

And something tells me you have never had to deal with a Federal Wildlife officer up close and personal.

Now I am not one to usually jump off on to the ethics issue, but posting a statement like this on an open forum:

Quote:

I know the rules may say that and I'm not advocating putting out a feeder but if you happen to carry in a gallon zip lock bag of corn with you, for a cushioned seat say, and it springs a leak and the corn falls out and this happens over a few sits it could make it a more productive spot. The corn might or might not be mixed with some cherry jello mix. Then it would be more like recycling than baiting see?

just does not seem to be really ethical or really intelligent.

This is the type of attitude that makes hunting Public Land a POS.

Rules clearly and sussinctly stating what is legal and what isn't and someone looking for and thinking of ways to skirt those rules.

That is really impressive, suggesting something totally against written regulations, that are designed to put everyone on even footing on these areas, to create a situation where by a person has an advantage over other hunters accessing the same property.

And people wonder why in the hell places get closed to hunting.

(Bird Dog)

07/05/08 11:08 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Way to go crazyhorse.

(Bird Dog)

07/05/08 02:31 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I have in fact dealt with several federal wardens up close and personal. One felt me up while trying to figure out what my S&W was while checking my shot shells during early teal season. Other occurrences weren't quite as personal. Before you jump on the ethics wagon realize if you hunt out there, which I have, you will be up against guys who hang demand feeders, put out tubing with holes drilled in it with corn to leak out and other contraptions which will give them an advantage. It isn't cheating if your competing against cheaters. Also realize that I used to put in a lot of time out on the grasslands, maintaining my ethics and not baiting and coming up empty while the guys covertly baiting (like my buddies brother) were successful. I quit trying because I wouldn't "cheat". If you just want to walk and sit in the woods then don't bait. If you want a chance to kill a deer or hog, bait. It's that simple no matter what you "holier than though" posters may want to pretend.

(THF Celebrity)

07/05/08 03:41 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

This isn't anything about being holier that thou, it is about EVERYONE playing by the same rules.

Just because other people are doing it does not make it right for you, me or anyone else to do it.

Yes, I hunted the LBJ for my first time ever last year and I found plenty of evidence of people baiting and leaving stands longer than they are supposed to, but that don't give me or anyone else Carte Blanche to do the same thing.

It is crap like that attitude, that gets places shut down.

This has not got one thing to do with being holier than thou, it has to do with suggesting, that to be successful a person should break a written law, and posting that suggestion on the internet.

Whether you did it or not, or was just suggesting it "Tongue-in-Cheek", it does not matter.

Either play be the rules, or do as you claim you have, do not hunt there.

Now go puke all you want to.

(THF Trophy Hunter)

07/05/08 04:16 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Quote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. Me and my Dad used to go canoeing down the Brazos River, just wondering, can you kill deer if your on the river? And are the grasslands worth checking out?

Anyone have an answer to this??? He didnt ask about hunting from a boat, he meant the river bottoms...

(THF Celebrity)

07/05/08 04:56 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I believe if you will look at what you just quoted:

Quote:

can you kill deer if your on the river?

It does not say one thing about the River Bottom, it says ON the River.

Here was the response that Kyotee1 gave:

Quote:

It is against the law to:

-hunt any wild animal or wild bird, including exotic animals, on foot or from a vehicle on any public road or road right-of-way, or a boat on public water, except that migratory waterfowl may be hunted from a boat or any floating craft (except a sink box) under certain conditions. (See Migratory Game Bird.)

I could be really wrong on this, but if I am not mistaken and maybe someone with better info will jump in here, but with few exceptions, all Texas rivers flow primarily thru Private Property, sometimes the actual delineation comes into debate, but, from the best of my knowledge and memory, the minute your foot touches dry land, you are trespassing on private property.

Now if some one has better information than that, please jump in, but I believe Kyotee! answered the question as it was asked quite well.

(THF Trophy Hunter)

07/05/08 05:15 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Not here to split hairs with you, k.

I always heard it was public until you hit the first vegetation...so sandbars would be public.
Can't find anything in the book though...

(Light Foot)

07/05/08 05:21 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I laways thought the sandbars were part of the river, cause I would see fences above them. I don't know for sure, though. I wouldn't even know where to go in the Grasslands, though. The lady at the Headquarters said you can only kill bucks, unless you draw a "anterless deer" tag.

(THF Celebrity)

07/05/08 06:00 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

As I said, this has been kicked around many times by the differing governing bodies, but I believe the final word is gonna be with the GW if a person is caught, for a sand bar not to be considered private land, it is going to have to have water flowing completely around it.

Is it worth the ticket and

to try and find out.

Unfortunately:

Quote:

Not here to split hairs with you, k.

, but you are trying to split hairs.

As Kyotee1 posted, it is illegal to hunt from a boat, and the only way you are going to get very far down a river is to go by boat.

Then, if things are as I feel they are, you are going to have to kill that deer in the water and not step foot on land to dress the thing, and if it does make it on to dry land, and you go after it, not only could you be filed on for trespassing, but also for hunting without landowner consent and probably poaching.

What is the deal with folks wanting to give out advice that skirts on the fringe or even crosses the line of being illegal on these type questions?

(THF Trophy Hunter)

07/05/08 07:45 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

who gave out advice?? Like I said, I have never seen an actual answer to this question and as much as you like to think, what you say is not the almighty end all. So, if you don't mind I would like someone to answer that ACTUALLY knows the law that has to do with this and not just what you "feel".
BTW, I know you can't kill a deer from a boat.

(Pro Tracker)

07/06/08 07:56 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

A coworker of mine bowhunts the grasslands. He told me people found or reported hunting over corn where getting ticketed. He also said it did not matter if "you" put the corn out. So even if a spot baited by another hunter was found, then hunted by an opportunistic hunter, that person was subject to a ticket. So for example if someone is baiting out there, if found or reported by a do gooder and found, it is very likely it will be watched. It seems there have been a lot of legal hunters out there getting po'd at the ones that are cheating and making a lot of complaints about it. CH is right in that is against the rules to bait there, to the guys that follow the rules, it is cheating.

�It�s the hunter�s responsibility to know the regulations and game limits while hunting in national forests and grasslands,� said David Norsworthy, U.S. Forest Service patrol captain. �Hunters should check bag limits for the county where they are hunting and refer to this year�s hunting booklets for information to avoid citations. No baiting for wildlife or hunting over baited areas is allowed on the National Forests and Grasslands in Texas.�
Norsworthy also said only portable deer stands are allowed in national forests and grasslands and are limited to 72 hours in one location. To prevent damage to trees, the stands must not be nailed to trees.

According to Norsworthy, some hunters fail to remove their deer stands, causing damage to forest land and creating an expensive, time-consuming cleanup.
�We have noticed some illegal deer stands that are permanent and we�re making attempts to locate the builders; however, anyone occupying an illegal stand will be issued a citation as well,� Norsworthy said. �We will aggressively pursue the owners of permanent deer hunting structures and other illegal activity.�

(Bird Dog)

07/06/08 08:20 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

They may catch one in 25 or 50 but not enough to deter the determined. I haven't hunted deer there in 15 years but I do occasionally hunt ducks there. I will say that I have more frequent meetings with wardens at the launches on the lakes than years ago. I also know there are many more hogs, and hunters, than back in the late 80s and early 90s. For me it became an effort in futility and I quit because I was not baiting and got sick of toting stands in and out for no kills. With todays pop up blinds and scents you may stand a chance with out baiting but I would lay odds most of the people who do know the chances of them getting caught are slim to none. I wouldn't do it, but then I won't hunt there for deer or hogs either.
If you just want a weekend or two and a doe or spike for the freezer there are many good people on here who will sell you a reasonably priced hunt that will give you an exponentially better chance at success and cost you less than the many trips you will have to make up there just to see, much less shoot, an animal. If you are breaking in a young person you will get them more interested in the sport if they at least get to see animals when they hunt. This is the reason I pay more than I should for leases. When I take a kid fishing we don't fish a bass tournament. We fish for Bluegills or carp around a baited hole to give them the action it requires to hold their young attention.
Good luck to you if you go and I hope you prove me wrong.

(Pro Tracker)

07/06/08 08:35 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Quote:

Quote:

I'm in Ft. Worth. Me and my Dad used to go canoeing down the Brazos River, just wondering, can you kill deer if your on the river? And are the grasslands worth checking out?

Anyone have an answer to this??? He didnt ask about hunting from a boat, he meant the river bottoms...

Very good question but there is not one fit all answers as you will see by reading the laws.

Regarding Texas River / Trepass laws you will have to do a little reading to understand the regulation and how laws are determined.

Below are some of the links you should research for your answer.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications.../trespass.phtml

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications...nnedy_faq.phtml

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060722120258AAuJ5f5

http://www.landsoftexas.com/texas/index.cfm?Detail=&INV_ID=37930

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications...ctivities.phtml

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/pe.toc.htm

http://www.lcra.org/community/ecodev/crt/faq.html

(Pro Tracker)

07/06/08 09:04 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Quote:

who gave out advice?? Like I said, I have never seen an actual answer to this question and as much as you like to think, what you say is not the almighty end all. So, if you don't mind I would like someone to answer that ACTUALLY knows the law that has to do with this and not just what you "feel".
BTW, I know you can't kill a deer from a boat.

You can hunt navigable rivers and streambeds, I do, but research it well before attempting it. Because of the limitations most find it not worth the effort. Here is a start, but one should dig even deeper. I highly recommend calling the local game warden to let him know what you are wanting to do when and where. Also please respect ajoining landowners. Apply some ettiquet and common sense with your right.

These links will bring you hours of reading and likely confuse you, but it is the best answer your gonna get from anyone.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwater/water/habitats/rivers/
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/nonpwdpubs/water_issues/rivers/navigation/

Some location specific Texas laws. Read all of Title 5 90, Title 7. Likely others that could relate.
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/pw.toc.htm

The first two bills passed in 2005 apply to river hunting big time and kills this type of hunting for most. http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20050627a

Also note area specific city, or controlling authority rules, laws, permits, etc. can limit hunting depending on location.

(Pro Tracker)

07/06/08 09:09 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

I was writing my post just as jeh7mmmag was his. I hunt navigable river locations, so I had most of the links already for reference. Again, between our two posts, it is the best answer to that question in a broad sense that you will get IMHO. Good luck.

(Pro Tracker)

07/06/08 09:12 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

That ought to take care of Sunday afternoon!!

Thanks John.

(Pro Tracker)

07/06/08 09:30 AM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Quote:

but I would lay odds most of the people who do know the chances of them getting caught are slim to none.

We are in the age of GPS, internet, and Cell phones. In this information age, legal hunters on public land are very aware of the rules. Human nature makes those following the rules angry when they find others cheating. There are more hunters than ever on these places. It is very good odds that a baited location is going to be seen by others scouting or hunting. For those hunters to report it now, is just to easy. GPS coordinates of the baited location or other illegal activity can simply be reported from the location by phone, text message, or email direct from the spot. An experience I had, though not on LBJ, but still on public land. I scouted, found a great spot to hunt, come back to hunt and found someone had since baited it. Legally and ethically, I could no longer hunt that area. I was not a happy camper!

(THF Trophy Hunter)

07/07/08 12:15 PM

Re: No place to hunt :(

Thanks sniper john and jeh7! I actually already knew the answer just wanted to see if crazyhorse would keep saying it is illegal. Not gonna say where cuz it is my honey hole but I have killed 2 big deer this way. We always let the game warden know also.

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