Thats what I am afraid of. Randall wants a brush arbor, which we will be covering with grapevines. I have noticed that not many animals like grapevines - even deer won't really eat them - but it will take at least a couple of seasons to grow a good cover.

So I was thinking of planting the loofa's along with the grapes, and leaving the vines on the arbor, as sort of an extra for the grapes to grow on. Randall may have to build a fence or something to keep the stock out and away from the arbor, till the grapevines are well and truely established.