Crazyhorse
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In the Migratory Bird section, there is a good discussion going on about the ethics of shooting waterfowl on the water, and/or doves on the ground or setting in a tree.
Quail have been mentioned off and on in the thread.
Many folks have made their opinions/feelings known on the issue.
To take it one step further, what is everyones opinion, on the concept that it is LEGAL in Texas to shoot Upland Game Birds with a rifle?
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coolie76
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I've never done it. I've never seen it. I've never heard of anyone shooting a quail or pheasant or grouse or any upland game bird with a rifle. I don't know why anyone would want to.
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TXPH
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stupid is as stupid dose!
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Crazyhorse
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You have NEVER heard of ANYONE shooting a Wild Turkey with a rifle?????
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TXPH
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yes sir I have, and like I said, stupid is as stupid dose....
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Crazyhorse
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If it is stupid, why is it legal?
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TXPH
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As I posted in the "OTHER" forum, LAW fallows Ethics, ETHICS do not Fallow LAW!!!!!
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Wild Boar
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Yes I have killed many quail with a 22 and several turkeys with the old 22-250. It more ethical to shoot then with a rifle  .
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jgiles
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You mean like shooting pheasants with a 22 mag after a good snow. Never heard of it.
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kwrhuntinglab
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I have shot many a quail on the ground.....skillet shot to break up the covey....then release the dogs to work singles...
Never shot a turkey with a rifle, but given the chance....wouldn't hesitate....
Shot many a dove in a tree....and with the prices of ammo these days.....will do it more.....
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cbump
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yes sir I have, and like I said, stupid is as stupid dose....
What is stupid about shooting a turkey with a rifle??? And what is your deal with the insults??
So self righteous with your views on ethics but you have no tact!
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TXPH
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I am far from self righteous, I am sure that those birds are in perfect edible condition when shot with a rifle, and heck I know how much you must be starving so you are doing these things out of desperation, right.
And before you guys miss lead someone, there are situations that make a rifle illegal,
shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used to hunt Eastern turkey during the spring Eastern turkey season (see County Listing). Rifles and handguns may not be used to hunt Eastern turkey.
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Cool_Hand
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Yes I have killed many quail with a 22 and several turkeys with the old 22-250. It more ethical to shoot then with a rifle .
You know I can go along with shooting a turkey with a rifle, but quail???? That is a total waste of ammo and if a quail is hit anywhere in the body its a gonner for eating so how much of a waste is that? So now I guess we're gonna hear they were all shot in the head????
Let me ask you kindly sir, after the first shot with a .22 how many did you shoot after that or did you run them down on foot and flush them and shoot them in the air with that .22? Some of us didn't just roll off the turnip wagon yesterday.
I was in and still in the quail hunting business for most of my 66 years and I have never heard anybody brag about killing quail with a .22!! You had to have spotted them on the ground and most of the time by then they are on the move so how many did you get p/day? This is going to be good!!!! 
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Crazyhorse
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shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used to hunt Eastern turkey during the spring Eastern turkey season (see County Listing). Rifles and handguns may not be used to hunt Eastern turkey.
Yes, that is 43 counties that you can't hunt Eastern Wild Turkey in with a rifle.
Of course you can't hunt those same Eastern Wild Turkeys in the Fall with a Shotgun either, and it does not mention anywhere that you can't hunt quail in those same 43 counties with a 22.
No one is trying to mislead anyone here.
It is a legal method in the state of Texas to hunt upland birds with a rifle.
If someone is capable of doing it, and has no problem with their own ethics over the matter, then why should anyone else look down on those folks or call them unethical.
CH, I have known folks that could and did hunt both Bobwhites and Blues with 22 rifles and everything they killed was with a head shot.
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Cool_Hand
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Randall, You know how old I am. I won the Texas state championships in skeet back in the 70s and I aint braggin' but the lease I hunted deer, turkey, and quail on for 25 years and held another lease out in your neck of the woods for fifteen years, those members said I was the best rifle shot on the lease. I'm like you I've been a lot of places to hunt on the N. A. continent. I've hunted with the best of them and I ain't never heard anybody brag about hunting quail with a .22!! First of its not feasable. Next, its pointless. How many can you expect to get in a day with a .22? I can't hit them running with a .22. Maybe with rat shot. Sorry I've been down too many roads Randall, hunting quail and I've never known anybody to hunt them witha .22. Squirrels, turkeys, opossums, coons, yeah, but not quail!! I'll go with the first answer to your post. I havent, never seen anyone that has and I won't. Its totall senseless and a waste of time and ammo. How come you don't hear about people doing it today? I can tell you why cause they don't do it!!Period!! 
Key word Randall: "Known" people that did it, not "Seen"!!!
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Cool_Hand
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I really like a good debate but this one is getting to the point that its content is not worth talking about. I'm done!
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cbump
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Yes I have killed many quail with a 22 and several turkeys with the old 22-250. It more ethical to shoot then with a rifle .
You know I can go along with shooting a turkey with a rifle, but quail???? That is a total waste of ammo and if a quail is hit anywhere in the body its a gonner for eating so how much of a waste is that? So now I guess we're gonna hear they were all shot in the head????
Let me ask you kindly sir, after the first shot with a .22 how many did you shoot after that or did you run them down on foot and flush them and shoot them in the air with that .22? Some of us didn't just roll off the turnip wagon yesterday.
I was in and still in the quail hunting business for most of my 66 years and I have never heard anybody brag about killing quail with a .22!! You had to have spotted them on the ground and most of the time by then they are on the move so how many did you get p/day? This is going to be good!!!!
Just because you have been in the business for 100 years  doesn't mean you know or have seen everything. My grandma used to sit at the kitchen window and pop quail in the head with a .22 as the walked down the fence line about 15 feet away. 
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cbump
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You old guys crack me up. So close minded.
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Crazyhorse
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Okay, Benny.
Since you want exact wording, which you are not going to believe any way since you have not personnally seen it.
When I say "Known", I mean I was there and watched them do it.
How many birds can they kill with a 22, I have seen them take a dozen birds out of a covey.
They did not run in there and flush the birds and try to wing shoot them, and they did not shoot any running.
Since you seem to be unfamiliar with the way the action takes place, picture driving thru a pasture and seeing a covey of Bobs or Blues, bunched up under a chaparral bush or a cactus, I am pretty sure you have seen that.
Well, they would just ease on up until they felt comfortable with the range, then they would stop.
Without getting out of the vehicle, they would ease the 22 out, and most of the ones I saw doing this, used 22 shorts, not long rifle shells.
They would pick one bird on the edge of the group and pop it in the head.
As most folks know, a bird hit in the head does the "Chicken Dance" on the spot.
Also, as many folks know that have hunted turkey a lot, especially in the spring, if a shot turkey starts flopping around a lot, other gobblers will attack the shot bird and fight at it.
Quail will do the same thing.
After the first bird was shot and started flopping, the shooter would pick out another bird, and pop goes another head, and the process was repeated until either the shooter got tired or the birds finally scattered.
There was no getting out and walking around trying to find the singles, it was just go over, pick up the birds that had been killed and then go look for another covey.
There are still folks that shoot quail with 22's, but many folks also will skillet shoot them with shotguns when they catch them bunched up like I described.
As for talking about it, I have found over the years that people that kill lots of game every year rarely ever talk about what they kill, how much they kill, or how they kill it.
JMO, but it seems like the folks that really like talking about the shots they have made, the number of animals that dropped DRT at the shot, and how high their ethical standards are, and how high everyone else's should be, only do that on the internet. Again JMO on that.
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Cool_Hand
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You're exactly right Randall!! I didn't know of that method of shooting quail. I'm personally glad I never learned how to do that. That wouldn't have been on my dads priority list as a way of hunting.
As it is today on the T X ranch while hunting quail, on the covey rise no more than three birds! Hunt NO singles. Why not? Quickest way to ruin your quail coveys in dry and low habitat years. Conservation is the key and I am so thankful we practice those ethics because it all in the name of future hunting for our followers. I don't care how other people run their business on hunting but I know how mine is run! Oh BTW, out of thousands of people that have hunted with us at T X ranch no one has ever hunted with a .22 or will there ever be.
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bigfish47
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About this time of year in 1957 (I'm 60)I had a new Daisey and was wandering through a creek bottom a mile from our house in S Texas. I heard some quail dusting about 5 yds away on the bank. I proceeded to take 8-10 home and proudly presented them to my Dad when he got home from the farm. I took a sound verbal thrashing about shooting game on the ground and out of season. I also lost my BB gun priviledges for a couple of weeks. I haven't done either bad thing since though I will admit to firing a warning shot to get the birds up......BTW, after the verbal discipline, my Dad also showed me how to clean the birds so Momma could fry them for supper...wasting game is also a NO NO!
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Cool_Hand
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Welcome to the forum. 
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coolie76
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You have NEVER heard of ANYONE shooting a Wild Turkey with a rifle?????
Turkey are not upland birds.
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I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LAW JUST THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN OR ANYBODY SHOOTING BIRDS WITH A RIFLE.
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Yes I have killed many quail with a 22 and several turkeys with the old 22-250. It more ethical to shoot then with a rifle .
You know I can go along with shooting a turkey with a rifle, but quail???? That is a total waste of ammo and if a quail is hit anywhere in the body its a gonner for eating so how much of a waste is that? So now I guess we're gonna hear they were all shot in the head????
Let me ask you kindly sir, after the first shot with a .22 how many did you shoot after that or did you run them down on foot and flush them and shoot them in the air with that .22? Some of us didn't just roll off the turnip wagon yesterday.
I was in and still in the quail hunting business for most of my 66 years and I have never heard anybody brag about killing quail with a .22!! You had to have spotted them on the ground and most of the time by then they are on the move so how many did you get p/day? This is going to be good!!!!
There is more than one way to hunt and if hunting with dogs and flushing them is the only way you hunt thats fine but up until about 5 years ago I had never hunted with a bird dog for quail why because I didn't have one did I enjoy it well hell yeah it was the easiest quail hunting I had every done and killed more quail than I had in my whole life and I used a shotgun it was fun watching to dogs work. But when I was younger I didn't have a 2000$ bird dog to point em out for me. When I was killing them with a 22 most of the time I was rabbit and squirrel hunting and came across a covey ( and just like CCH said is what happens most of the time) you could 6 or 8 before they flushed. No Im not good enough to hit em in the air with a 22. If you hit em a little low the 22 they were still very little meat lose a lot lease than some shot a 12 gauge and u didn't have to spit out bb's. The last time I checked 22 bullets were alot cheaper than shotgun shell. Now a turkey is a different story head only shots if they are hit with a fast small caliber bullet in the body it is not pretty. You may not of fell off the turnip wagon yesterday but you dont know as much about hunting as you think you do and that isn't .
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