reddog
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Has anyone ever treated heart worms with Ivomec?
The vet treatment is just way to expensive. I have been
reading that Ivomec will kill them it will just take a
little longer than Arsonic. The Arsonic scares me anyway
it kills them all real quick and then you have to pen up your dog for 30 days or they could die from the worms breaking loose.
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duckhunterdfw
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if your dog has HW Ivomec can kill or have a very high chance to kill.Ivomec will kill the worms and they get lodged(or stuck ) in the heart and basically the dogs blood flow will be compromised or even stopped.The ONLY SAFE way is with the shots in the spine the VETS give.They do have to stay still and non active for awhile but never heard 30 days.I worked for a vet for several years while in school and have seen the procedure hundreds of times. PLEASE DO NOT TRY AND TREAT THIS YOURSELF
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kbobbjr
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I agree. Just spend the money and let the vet do it. Both dogs that I had treated took about six weeks. I didn't have to pen them up they just couldn't run around. I let mine stay in the house.
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reddog
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How is the Ivomec killing of the worms different than the arsenic?
They both kill them, I don't understand how its different.
Just trying to understand this before I make my choice. I have two dogs to treat and its 400 per dog. with no guarantee that the vet won't kill em.
They are hunting dogs not house pets, I love em but they are hunting dogs.
If anyone has done the treatment with good or bad results please let me know. My dog trainer said the ivomec will work. One of the dogs is my fault, I thot you didn't have to give preventitive in the winter. I was wrong. The other is a new dog I just got.
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duckhunterdfw
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Ivomec is used as a preventative,something you could have used for very cheap and never been in the situation. Ivomec kills them quickly therefore not letting them pass or be obsorbed by the body and getting stuck in the heart which pretty much suffocates the dog. The aarsonic is slower,why dont you just ask your vet how it works? Your dog could die from treatment at the vet but its alot less of a chance. How would you even know how much to give?Can I ask who your dog Trainer is?Are these labs?
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fwhunter
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I would personaly let the vet do it. HW treatment by vets nowadays is easy and pretty successful compared to what it use to be. Your messing with some serious stuff here. Too much of anything could easily kill the dog or seriously screw it up and too little will do very little. From what I understood when we were fostering a husky w/ HW's was they kill them off progressively with each round of treatment. I do a lot of backyard vet treatments on my animals, but even this one I would shy away from.
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reddog
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They are not Labs. GSP's.
The dosage is half the normal dose of ivomec. You don't give them the full dose as it can kill to many worms at one time. The half dose works over a 6 month period. The vet said heartgaurd will work also but it will take a year or so. Same thing as the half dose of ivomec.
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duckhunterdfw
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your VEt tol;d you heartguard would work?sorry but I call  on that. I used to work for a vet ,my uncle is a Vet,My moms neighbor is a vet and I have trained with 2 Vets and I dont know that I have ever heard that just regular heartguard doses would work.
I know dogs arent people but that doesnt mean you should treat them differently,you wouldnt beat your kids so you shouldnt beat your pets.You feed and water your kids so you do same for your pets.Your kids have shelter so should your pets. If your kids are sick and need antibiotics would you just go to feed store and buy them some anti biotics
?Dont think so, I really am not trying to be a ARSE hole but you let this happen so Take care of it the appropriate way and do what your vet says. Sorry again and I know some people dont care the way I do and that doesnt make anyone a bad person I just feel we have an obligation to our pets as they rely on us and are at our mercy.This isnt a personal attack on you as I would say this to anyone.
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fwhunter
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I don't understand either. Dogs get HW's all the time while on Heartguard. It's so dilute on the Ivomec content I don't see it killing mature HW's. I could see dosing them up on Ivomec, but you would REALLY have to know what you are doing or be under vet supervision while doing it. Either way just too risky IMO.
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reddog
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Your wrong, It will work because the heartguard kills all the imature worms and eggs. That prevents the infestation from getting larger. Heart worms have a lifspan of about 1 and half years max. They will die of old age and there will be no new ones developed.
The fact that it will work doesn't mean that is the way I am going to go. I have not made up my mind yet.
The damage that is being done while you wait for them to die is unknow to me. I am just asking for folks with any experience in this to tell what they know. I don't think you are being an arse but I don't think you know everything either. I sure don't, and I don't claim to. But I have been reading up on this and am tring to make the wise choice.
Yes I am guilty of one of the dogs but not both.
800 is alot of money. I feel you should weigh all of your options before making a decision.
Vets make mistakes also, a friend of mine sister took her dog to the vet for a teeth cleaning and the vet killed it. Gave it too much anesthia.
So by checking all of my options I think that shows I do care. If I didn't I would just put the dogs down.
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duckhunterdfw
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I just got off the phone with my uncle and yes HW may only live up to 1 1/2 but ivomec doesnt have the toxins in it to push or flush out the dead HW. If you give high doses of HW which is the only way to kill them they will die there in the heart and your dog will cough moe and more and fluid will build up in the lungs kinda like congestive heart failure in humans.Low doses wwill not kill adult Hw and only larvae.So it will not kill the adults and they will die after a certain time but will cause your dog to die because they will clog the heart. You do what you feel but look around at other vets also because I know aseveral that would let you pay it out and why isnt the person you bought your dog from responsible?How long have you had the other dog?
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reddog
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The person I got her from a few days ago has now moved.
Not worth the trouble of tracking down and fighting over it. Legal battle is not my way. I would just put the dog down first. Chalk it up to a leason learned. I think the dog is worth saving and it was my choice to buy her. I knew she could have something wrong with her. I just wanted her to have a good home and be able to go hunting.
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reddog
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http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_heartworm_treatment.html
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duckhunterdfw
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Good article
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fwhunter
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Would you still have to limit the dogs activity level during the 2 year period?
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reddog
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I don't know.
I would think not.
Trying to cut a deal with my vet, I called another vet and they will charge 300 per dog. Trying to get my vet to match the price, or I may move vets.
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kbobbjr
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Call the SPCA or the other shelter organization (can't remember their name). I adopted a dog one time that had heartworms and they did it for about $150.00. They were located at 35 and Ann Arbor (I'm assuming they are still there). Is this the same GSP that lady was trying to get rid of over the weekend?
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reddog
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yes
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fwhunter
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Quote:
Is this the same GSP that lady was trying to get rid of over the weekend?
I thought that was odd they were keeping one and getting rid of the other one. Not saying they knew about it. Just thought it was odd.
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reddog
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A blessing in disguise. I probably wouldn't have gotten my other dog tested if this one hadn't shown up.
Weird how I have 2 Gsp's and only one of them has it.
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Heather
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The SPCA website has prices for treatment and the procedure if it helps any
http://www.spca.org/site/DocServer/PIC-Heartworm_in_Dogs-English.pdf?docID=2604
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First_Chance
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You might want to send these folks a e-mail...
gsp911tx@yahoo.com
This is the contact for the German Shorthair Pointer Rescue of North Texas and they might be able to point you in the right direction for some treatment options, i know they deal with HW treatment a lot on neglected dogs that come into their program and they seemt o have reasonable success. They could, at the very least, have some good resources for info and treatment.
just tell them your story and I bet they be more than happy to point you in the right direction.
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FETCH_UP
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Thats a cheap price and it is well worth letting your vet do it. My dogs were on HW prevention and still showed up positive on a test before. They went through the process with the vet and had to stay in dog crates and walked on a leash only, no running or jumping around. My vet has only had one dog die, and around here she deals with a lot of hw's. Though she will not guarantee it(and i wouldnt expect her to) but i will take the chance with her. Most everything else that needed to be said about hw has been said.
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dawaba
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Just a question....how come you didn't have the dogs on heartworm preventative? You wouldn't be in this quandry had you given the cheap and effective monthly formulation. Remember the old oil filter commercial from a few years back: "Pay me now or pay me later." If you never change your oil, you're gonna have to put in a short block one of these days.....
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FETCH_UP
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HW preventative does work for the most part but its not 100%! Had mine on it and they still got it, but the company reimbursed me for some of it too, so that wasnt too bad.
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