Species Clarification

This post is in response to one on the tourney. mnsherick, nothin against ya, but that hen is buggin me. The bird on the far right is a pintail hen.



This is a hen pintail. They look a lot alike don't they?

This is a gadwall drake



I can see how the head coloration could be confused but look at the feathers on the back and chest. Hens can be a pain to i.d. but you don't want to have too many pintail hens on your strap when the green truck pulls up and the mud is too hard for a stomp. JUST KIDDING!!

And for those that think it's a mallard hen It's not.



Here are some more reference links
http://www.ducks.org/hunting/waterfowl-id/gadwall

http://www.ducks.org/hunting/waterfowl-id/northern-pintail

http://www.ducks.org/hunting/waterfowl-id/mallard


Thanks Guy for explaining the rules, my original thread should have had evidence proving the bird is a pintail. Yall take it easy, I gotta get up and get myself stuck in knee deep mud again tomorrow.

the bird in the far right of the first picture is a pintail hen no doubt...look at the bill color and the feathers on it's body...they look nothing like a gadwall drake

Got to be carefull with the pintail hens, shot these 2 (bottom right), don't want to go over limit of 2 thinking they are gaddies...

That's a good pic of one.

Yep,eclipse can be fun.

Straight up full color duck porn here guys:

http://www.ejphoto.com/northern_pintail_page.htm

http://www.roysephotos.com/NorthernPintail.html

http://www.geocities.com/tgrey41/Pages/NorthernPintailp.html

http://www.birdphoto.fi/lajikuvat/anaacu/index.php

sticklers

Hen killers

Hen killer?? It is 9 30 and your on the internet. I know you didn't limit or wyou would have posted it up with a grin. what happened?

Dry holed...the one group that worked would not finish, the rest treated us a red headed step child

Tomorrow thee specks in the picture I sent you will die

kdub, Let it keep buggin ya bro!

No doubt it was the first pintail hen I've shot with clear brown/black/white pacthes on the wings. ( I thought juvi gadwall drake)

No pics to back it up since the trash had been taken out when I got home that day.

I've shot plently of pintails, and gadwalls so I would think I got it right. I'm in no way too prideful to admit a mistake, but I know what I saw and I'm sticking with it since I don't have those wings.

-Matt

wow!

You made a mistake and someone was kind enough to correct you. Don't get all butt hurt. Don't need the wings, the pic is all you need to know what kind of duck it is.

lone pintail hens are barneys worst nightmare.

^^^^^^^^^

I clicked here to say "LET IT GO!" Thinking that he made a mistake and has been corrected. mnsherick, you are making it tough man.

There is NO CHANCE that is a Gadwall Drake.

Can you spot the difference?

aren't you a guide?

The gaddy juvi drake bill is orange/black, versus hen pintail is blue and black, below is a good pic of that.

If only you had bought the book

Aren't you a guide ore something?

No need to pile on. Thread over. A free lesson for everyone

I think outfitter1 is right. The pic of the mallard hen I posted has a yellow bill. See Mnsherick, it's ok, we all make mistakes. No biggie bud.

free?

why did kdub tell me I had to mail him a check?

kdub, I want a refund you rat

No refunds for buyers remorse.

I hate you

don't need the wings....
sorry bro, it is a pintail hen
you incorrectly ID'ed the bird and people were kind enough to point it out to you.


I don't see anyone agreeing with you thinking it is a gadwall drake...if they do, I would love to see them post up.

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its a blue footed boobie

sing it with me now folks


LORRRRRRD IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE




WHEN YOUR PERFECT IN EVERY WAY

I made this mistake several years ago. The internet game wardens were out in full force that day. Once you learn it then you can spot it from a mile away.

this might help you
http://www.amazon.com/Waterfowl-Identification-LeMaster-Method-Richard/dp/0811729826

What happened to a man owning up to an honest mistake? It makes you look that much worse that you cant admit that you made a mistake

X2. One over pin...who is going to take the ticket

Pintail Hen

Look at the chest feathers, the Gadwall drake has a much finer mosaic pattern than a pintail hen. Look at the back feathers, the Gadwall drakes tuen a solid color half way back then pintail hen is mottled the whole way.

I took a closer look at the picture, I really zoomed in tight...its a Gadwall Drake, you can tell by the wings

Dang it! That is a gadwall Drake. My bad. Sorry what ever your name is Mack or something. Carry on.

I shot a black duck today. Anybody else seeing them? I hear they are hard to come by in the Central Flyway.

^^^^^ Dem taste good!

Yeah, I think I'm with Garret on this, the bill looks very black, and the neck does not look long enough to be a pintail...

This is why there is no monetary prize with the tourny, boy what headache that would be. As it is all this is kinda funny.

By all means keep the thread going fellas I'm getting a kick out of it.


To address the "guide" question.

This must really be bothering "birddog14" (please stop PMing me, my inbox is getting full) I find it all kind of funny.

I rarely "guide" hunts most are for pigs or deer, not ducks. I do "take" a lot of friends and family out duck hunting on occasion. We usually shoot limits of pintail hens, and coots.


My business is the "day hunts" for deer, pigs, and ducks. We manage several properties in various central/north central texas counties. We also trap pigs, and offer "guided" pig hunts during the summer in east texas.

One last thing and I'm done;

My name is on every post it's "Matt" Also my web address and Phone # are in multiple locations, I'm not some jerk hiding behind a screen name. If it's really bothering you so much give me a call, I'm really a great guy.

-Matt

Last thing #2, the internet is no place to be serious. Just keep that in mind.

-Matt

you guys that think it is a gadwall drake....shoot one of those and then two bull spigs....and you better hope the game warden cannot ID it correctly either or you are getting a ticket for being one over for shooting 3 pins. But hey, it is your money.

Cool your jets bro. They are just joking around.

You need to read my previous post about the internet again.

-Matt

this thread is awesome. My vote is for everyone to grab a cold one, stop worrying about someone's mis-id, and get ready for the next hunt. so he killed a pinny hen, and thought for a bit it was a juvi grey duck....oh well. beats the hell out of working.

Gadwall Drake for sure, you can tell by the beak

Yeah birddog you getting yourself all worked up into a lather again, no laws have been broken, so grab a cold one and chill.

Looks dang black to me. I may be color blind tho.

Matt your cool in my books. Good time kill.

Yeah its black, just like a Gadwall

I think the feet would be easier than the beak in this instance, right? Gadwall feet are orange and Pintail feet are greyish...

Pintail hen


Pintail hen


Pintail hen




Gadwall drake


Gadwall drake


Gadwall drake


Gadwall drake



There's a whole list of feet at the back of the LeMasters Method book.

Who cares? Its just a duck.

I'm pretty sure yall are all wrong. It's a speckled grey teal obviously. I'm going to stand by that.

nobody until the newbie duck Hunter that paid a 150 dollars for a guided hunt that just got a ticket due to shooting to many pintails becuase the guide he paid to be an expert called it a gadwall

Dead on, BOBO. Joke my ---, I ain't buying that for a minute.

the breasts will be much larger on a Pintail hen than a Gadwall drake

Its a mottle head gadwall pintail hybrid

This is what the issue is 1000%

You have hunt prices in you sig..one is ducks..and not even a cheap duck hunt at that!!!!

Therefore you are telling the general public, long term hunter or newbie your an expert, b/c you guide.

Let's make a note...

Being a duck over via species will probably have more finanical ramifications then shooting a less then 13 in deer in a AR county...which is basically the same thing..your the guide and your sitting with a client you would you let him shoot a a 12" spread deer or call him off???

As a guide you are the expert, you are the responsable party.

And your joking about it is very troubling..very

If you where a regular Joe..you would caught a little hell on here but its a good lesson..everybody makes mistakes...but your not a regular Joe your a guide

First you sink your boat!!!!!!!! then you call a 2 limit duck a 6 limit duck..

I don't give a hoot how good you call, how many ducks you kill, or if you pull limits every day...fact is you advertise your self as a guide.. guides job is to safely take care of their clients.. so far your not showing a good history and on a public forum none the less.. and then try to dismiss it as nothing.


And to anyone else that just started guiding please take note.

Looks like a straight up pintail to me. Dark gray bill no black rump.

So now we get to the bottom of it.

I hunt from the same boat for 5 years in all kinds of weather, and number of hunters. I get blow over by the wind (25+mph not to mention gusts) and now I'm an idoit, great call.

You got, accidents DON'T exist and I must be an idiot.

Also just to set the record straight we have never sold a single duck hunt all the properties we purchased and leased back in jan/feb are completely dry from this years drought.

We have been selling deer/pig hunts for 4-5 years but just aquired the properties for ducks.

Call me a guide, call me an average joe, doesn't matter to me. I'm just a guy that loves to hunt ducks, deer, pigs, geese, cranes, pheasants, & quail. I also love to see people get out on a "first time" hunt with a daughter or a son. We don't break even on our hunts and don't intend to anytime soon, this "business" isn't so we can stack up a pile of money. It's stritctly for our enjoyment, keeps me, my dad, and most importantly my grandpa (80) busy active and outdoors.

Sure beats the heck out of the best day at REAL work!!

So lets make a note;

Now that you know who I am, try a personal attack that actually fits.



Specs on my boat: (You might find something to rip me over here too)



1978 -- 15' Flat Bottom LOWE LINE (Alum, all rivet)
1978 -- 35HP Johnson



-Matt

Here's the "make-up" trip for Shane today (11/23/11).

I had to get him out on the birds after that last boating mishap.

WE had a blast, shot 12 birds mostly gadwall, a few teal, 1 widgeon, and 1 mallard.

The lic. plate says it all.............................

























TOPWATER!!!!!!!

Sweet! Looks like a good hunt

I guess RNT pays you to wear there gear and blow there calls???

First I didn't call you an idiot for swamping your boat...you laughed off a correction on a two limit duck..and I found that disturbing as your Sig fancies your self as a duck guide, I also remembered you swamping your boat but didn't realize your a guide at the time.

And yes accidents do exist..but not when your a guide..they are called at fault liabilities.

But now that you brought that up...

You went hunting in 25mpgh wind plus in a 15 flat bottom..on one of the roughest lakes in North Texas and got swamped in open water? seriously?

Once again, your so great at the assumption game. For your info the weather forecast looked like this.

2-4mph SSE wind 2am-5am
5-7mph ESE wind 6am-noon

What happen was very different, but being the all knowing god of ducks and weather and boats that you are you have probably never been "caught" in bad weather, had a bad day of hunting, or had a 30+ year old boat give you a minute of trouble.

We got onto the lake right at 3am, got to our spot without a hitch around 3:17am. The boat sank around 10:45am.

Please try harder...





That's my buddy shane, he's an excellent guy (esp. considering I dumped his butt in the lake) Being a friend I don't tell him what kind of shirts he should or should not wear. This might be a hard concept to grasp.


I actually OWN 2 hen calls niether one is a big name brand one was $7 (6-7 years ago) the other is something a friend gave me. I don't feel I should spend money on calls because I'm really not all that good. (JJ will back me up on this)

-Matt

If JJ says it I belive it

A guide hunting with a guide

No we paid him for our hunt, I probably shouldn't short change myself on the calling. I've had good days and bad days with calling, some days limits, some days bust.

JJ's words if I recall were "thats not too bad" which I translated into, that sucks. He's really an excellent caller, and a great guy.


-Matt

I hunted wif BarneyWho. And he's a big azz guide.

Relax John. Don't know you Matt but you seem to be a straight shooter.

Again you went across open water in a 15 ft flat bottom boat in 25 plus winds.
Storms blow in all the time I realize that but your still missing the point. Your a guide you should of walked out, or ran the river back to 377, or waited it out or ran the shore line at the very least.

Again your a guide you suppose to know how to run a boat, and what it can handle...but you don't. If you where a regular hunter no one would say a word its live and learn but your not your a professional guide advertising. It's your dismissal of it all this that is very disturbing...

It's apparent I'm not sinking in..at the very least I hope you drop the show and learn from it, that way none of your clients get fished out and or fined in the future..and you have a successful run at guiding. Again your the expert aka guide so make expert/safe calls.

Ok how bout this a local guide paying to hunt with another local guide

The force is strong with you

Now I don't do much duck hunting I just come here to watch the show, but dang man you swamp a boat, miss ID a duck, and just admitted you can't call good! So explain to me why a rookie duck hunter like me should pay a rookie guide like you to take me duck hunting?

please lock this pizzin contest, I would like to read about ducks and duck hunting stuff, not arguments.... I f I wanted that I would converse with the wife!

^^^^^^ I'm not defending him but he does not owe you a explanation there rookie.

Sorry nogeese, I was talking about hardnfast. Frecking jack wagon!

By the way how is Dude doing?

Lable me as a rookie

I'd be happy to prove you wrong...

^^^^^ did I call you out? Read the post..

Yup, you called me a "rookie"

Read hardnfast's post then tell me if you think I called you out.

I think your missing the point, I've been labeled a guide, even though I've never guided a single duck hunt or even attempted to. I simply sell "day leases" probably 50-150 leases per season. I pay for guided hunts 2-3 times per season to take out my grandpa/dad/friends. We usually hunt geese/cranes, pheasant or ducks.

I've had close to 100+ phone calls this season for duck hunts and I've turned every single last one of them down, and explained to them we aren't properly setup (waiting on rain and trying to find the right guy to guide the hunts)

I've referred several of them to JJ at Kent Outdoors because they are good people.


Call it and read it how you will.

As enjoyable as your company has been fellas, I've gotta jet. I've got a hot date with some turkey and ducks.

Have a great Thanksgiving Everyone!!

-Matt

Well I will not be using his services. I kinda like my guides to know just a little bit more than I do.

Sorry, starbucks grande got me juked up..

layin by the fire right now gonna see how quick she can pick up squirrel huntin tomorow

Hang in there brotha

You know nothing, especially when to keep quiet.

Point is made. Click!

Labman what is your problem man? I just said I wouldn't hunt with a guide who is more green than me, and then you jump all over me. Do you guide for him or something ?

You two chill..the thread ran its course

It was fun...