Bit of A Rant

The offense you described will always receive a citation and should. It is not an oops/oversite situation in the GW world. If you bought licences at wal-mart and they forgot the upland stamp that could fall under the oops/oversite category. You will not find sympathy here about that offense. Like it or not that is how it is! BTW the GW could have taken the gun too, so yes he did not hammer y'all as hard as he could have.

You have to understand that a game warden DOES NOT NEED your permission to search your truck. If the warden has probable cause {your were obviously out hunting} and the coolers were in plain sight {in the bed of the truck} then YES he can search them with out you present. Your friend broke the law plain and simple and paid the price. BTW Do you know why Game Wardens are used to enter suspected drug houses? because a game warden does not need a search warrant. All he needs is the suspicion to believe the residents in the house may have broken state game laws. They can search your house, your barns, your cars, your boats and your land all with out a warrant. Game wardens have more authority in Texas to enforce ALL state laws than Texas Rangers do...

Can you please post the penal code law or code of criminal procedure rule allowing a game warden more authority than any other police officer, please?

You have to understand that a game warden DOES NOT NEED your permission to search your truck. If the warden has probable cause {your were obviously out hunting} and the coolers were in plain sight {in the bed of the truck} then YES he can search them with out you present. Your friend broke the law plain and simple and paid the price. BTW Do you know why Game Wardens are used to enter suspected drug houses? because a game warden does not need a search warrant. All he needs is the suspicion to believe the residents in the house may have broken state game laws. They can search your house, your barns, your cars, your boats and your land all with out a warrant. Game wardens have more authority in Texas to enforce ALL state laws than Texas Rangers do...

WOW, your buddy violates the law, gets caught, gets a ticket, and you want to rant. WOW. Sorry for the GW doing his job.

Grendal 6.5 PM me where your were hunting. I had a similar run in with a GW in the panhandle on fez weekend. We went titti to titti for about 15 mimutes and he finally voided the citation. I am curious if it was the same one but I don't want the place named on the forum.

You have to understand that a game warden DOES NOT NEED your permission to search your truck. If the warden has probable cause {your were obviously out hunting} and the coolers were in plain sight {in the bed of the truck} then YES he can search them with out you present. Your friend broke the law plain and simple and paid the price. BTW Do you know why Game Wardens are used to enter suspected drug houses? because a game warden does not need a search warrant. All he needs is the suspicion to believe the residents in the house may have broken state game laws. They can search your house, your barns, your cars, your boats and your land all with out a warrant. Game wardens have more authority in Texas to enforce ALL state laws than Texas Rangers do...

I hate being ignored!

Well I have video to prove you wrong, and I have personally witnessed GW's used on house searches in south Dallas and in FW...

Time to take responsibility for your actions.

No officer has a right to search your vehicle without your permission or warrant if the vehicle is on private property. Probable cause does not fall into this one fellers.

You can, but it has to have a wing attached to verify that your game is within the legal specie limit. This stops people from say shooting 3 pintail and breasting them, later to be checked and claiming those birds in the ice chest are gadwall.

The guy knew better(you said so), so I have no sympathy. He broke the law and got caught. What I find disturbing is you want to come on here and "rant" because your friend got caught for doing something illegal. Time to take responsibility for your actions.

Guilt by association. Your buddy broke the law, if'n I was the game warden I would have a pretty good hunch to search the vehicle parked next to it if they were associated.

I would almost bet that if a car was pulled over and the driver was found to have illegal narcotics on himself, the passenger would probably be getting searched too.

Obama is the best thing to happen to this country! I voted for him...
I cant wait to move to TX and spread my liberal views!

Where was probable cause?

Austin maybe?

Obama is the best thing to happen to this country! I voted for him...
I cant wait to move to TX and spread my liberal views!

Leave the meat at home or in the cabin/hotel next time maybe??? The GW was doing his job, so no rant necessary. If he knew it was wrong then he shouldn't have done it. Had to know that the GW's are in full force during Pheasant season up there so everyone is gettin checked!

Even if you leave the meat in the cabin or hotel you are in violation. My BIL was on a weekend hunt and left two cleaned birds in the freezer from the previous days hunt, both without a wing or head attached. He was issued tickets for both ducks after the warden followed him back to the cabin when he was asked what he had harvested the day before. Even with pictures the GW would not give him a break.

I am so confused. So how long do you have to keep a wing attached? I just cut the breast meat out and throw the bird away. So I have been breaking the law the whole time? Please explain so I can fix this and not be in the same situation

You were involved in the taking of wildlife. You may not like it, I dont; but thats the probable cause they need. It has always been this way. Why do you think its possible for a GW to come ask to see your gun and licenses even though you have not done anything illegal? Because your involved in taking game.
regards...

When dealing with game birds you must leave a wing for ID purposes(leg for pheasant) till you get home(permanent residence) I am not trying to a smart azz or flame on anyone, but read the handbook that the TPWD puts out EVERY Augest. It has ALL the rules/laws that you need to know to avoid getting a citation/warning from a GW. Info is out there just educate yourself before the state decides that WE ALL MUST attend "regulation classes" just to buy a hunting licenses!

It could have been handled better I think from a PR standpoint with a warning. Enforcing rules and regulations does always mean being punitive.

This is the right answer. Being in the pheasant field gave them the right to search.

If it's wrong(illegal search) for them to search a cooler without permission, then you can ask for your day in court. How much you wanna bet you'll lose when it goes to trial?

Like I said...if you dont like it, give up hunting. I truly appreciate you suggesting I am somehow an Obama supporter because I understand some of the laws. I dont like it as much as you, but it is what it is...

Your buddy broke the law and you post a rant??? Thats just sad.

Your buddy broke the law and you post a rant??? Thats just sad.

The OP's original rant was that he felt a warning would have been better than a ticket, which is ridiculous. A law was broke and a ticket was issued....everybody gets mad when the ticket gets issued to them or someone else in thier group, but are quick to say that gw's are never around when someone else is breaking the law and deserves a citation.
Now the OP is trying to change his rant to be an "illegal search" issue. It's funny to me that he states that he wasn't there when the "search" was conducted, but knows that it violated his constitutional rights. My guess is that the warden pulled up to the truck, had good reason to believe that the occupants were in the field hunting, saw a cooler and inspected the contents, saw a violation and decided to wait for the hunters. I would love to hear this warden's side of the story. That warden was doing exactly what the State of Texas hired him to do, and doing it in a way that the state allows him. Wardens are granted an inspection authority when dealing with hunting, fishing or water safety to protec our resources, if they weren't it would be detrimental to wildlife populations.

Honestly I would rather there be no hunting at all than to give up the rights granted to us by the US constitution and it's amendments.

I agree.

At what point are you giving up your constitutional rights? The Supreme Court is responsible for making sure that our constitutional rights are protected, and they have not deemed a warden's inspection authority unconstitutional.
I am looking now to see if it has ever been challenged. That is the only way it can be reviewed by the Supreme Court.


The legislture has granted inspection authority to gw's when it comes to certain activities. That is the only way it can be done, if protecting our resources is important. It is NOT the same as stopping a car on the highway and doing random searches for narcotics and other contraband.
There are a lot of issues with this very subject and the Supreme Court has been very clear on the right to be free of a random search.

What a game warden is doing is not random, it is an inspection for resources, licenses, legal means etc...Hunting is a privilege, not a right, and with that you give up certain expectations of privacy while engaged in hunting and fishing. One day the state may change the authority of gw's and require probable cause to "search" a container that may be used to store game, if that does happen, then I'd imagine that bag limits and other regulations would be broken more than what they are already. Who wants that?

At what point are you giving up your constitutional rights? The Supreme Court is responsible for making sure that our constitutional rights are protected, and they have not deemed a warden's inspection authority unconstitutional. The legislture has granted inspection authority to gw's when it comes to certain activities. That is the only way it can be done, if protecting our resources is important. It is NOT the same as stopping a car on the highway and doing random searches for narcotics and other contraband. What a game warden is doing is not random, it is an inspection for resources, licenses, legal means etc...Hunting is a privilege, not a right, and with that you give up certain expectations of privacy while engaged in hunting and fishing. One day the state may change the authority of gw's and require probable cause to "search" a container that may be used to store game, if that does happen, then I'd imagine that bag limits and other regulations would be broken more than what they are already. Who wants that?

[quote=Icouldbeyou]
"Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Care to show me in the above text where is says except game wardens, or unless you are hunting.

What right was violated in this case? Game warden sees cooler, game warden has probable cause. I am a stanch supporter in the constitution and bill of rights, I see no problem with the GW in this case. As for other instances I agree there are problems but what can you expect, its been overruled and butchered for the past 200 years to where we no longer know what our rights are, that is for another thread though, nobody's rights were violated here though.

What right was violated in this case? Game warden sees cooler, game warden has probable cause. I am a stanch supporter in the constitution and bill of rights, I see no problem with the GW in this case. As for other instances I agree there are problems but what can you expect, its been overruled and butchered for the past 200 years to where we no longer know what our rights are, that is for another thread though, nobody's rights were violated here though.

Did you read the amendment? Where does it say a search can be accomplished without a warrant? PLEASE SHOW ME. Where was the game wardens warrant with the oath, or affirmation, the place to be searched, and the person or things to be seized?

If you are so set on this being wrong I think you should get a lawyer and challenge it. It will be thrown out at every level.

This is pretty clear and the people claiming that we have an erosion of rights on this are wrong. Sorry but you are.

Look up the 4th amendment to the constitution. Look at the game laws.[/qutoe]

I did, even posted it above. Now show me in the 4th amendment where search is allowed without a warrant. Can't can you?

[quote]If you are hunting the GW has the right to search you, your cooler your gun, etc. Very clear, cut and dry.

If your buddy had not broken the law this would be a non-issue.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/annual/general/penalties/


Here you go.

INSPECTION AUTHORITY: A game warden who observes a person engaged in an activity governed by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Code or reasonably believes that a person is or has been engaged in such an activity may inspect:
1.any license, permit, tag, or other document issued by the department and required by the Texas Parks and Wildife Code of a person hunting or catching wildlife resources;
2.any device that may be used to hunt or catch a wildlife resource;
3.any wildlife resource in the person's possession; and
4.the contents of any container or receptacle that is commonly used to store or conceal a wildlife resource.

Certainly I don't want this to happen. I am just a red blooded American who believes there should be a brick wall twix us and government encroachment. I simply do not want to become a head buried in the sand type of person. I'll give an example. War rages on the border today right now. I can see the government coming up with "well since you are driving on a major drug corridor we have the right to stop and search" or "we have the right to conduct check points". (Which if you have ever been to south Texas you know they are already and have been in place). I get stopped and questioned everytime I come through there. I have had my truck inspected, boat inspected ect.

My point is where do we put the foot down. I don't know as I am a hunter and don't want our rescourses depleted. I will sstill hunt. I will remain in compliance and offer consent to search. I have nothing to hide. I just don't want to see an erosion of what was given to us. The sstopping of this erosion begins right here where people get together and talk about it. If we don't and we just shrug our shoulders then we are to blame.

Here is where I am torn with the law. We have given up this one freedom to be free of a random search as long as we are hunting. I didn't even know this was a law in effect. Now never have being abused by this law and always being treated well (other than a disagreement) Is a good thing. But what happens when one bad seed appears. Our rights to be free of searches are not in place. What law does a citizen get to rely upon if in the event a bad seed appears. How does he go about protecting himself. I have to say they have done well in the choices and training of the game wardens. These rights were not put in place to protect the citizen from the good officers, they were set in motion to give us the right to stop the bad ones.

WHAT PART DO YOU NOT GET? Seems to me you don't give a rats arse about the constitution in this case for sure. It does not matter if it is a right or not, you don't give up your rights no matter what happens. Even when someone is killed the murder still has rights.

Also the supreme court can only rule on a case that is brought before them. And speaking of the supreme court do you honestly believe they all give a crap about the constitution?


"Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Care to show me in the above text where is says except game wardens, or unless you are hunting.

I think that depends on if you think checking a cooler is reasonable or not.

when you open something to look inside it is searching, and the law is supposed to know specifically what they are searching for.

This is not entirely true. This is my point. If a game warden checks a person hunting or fishing and opens their cooler, then it is an "inspection". There is a difference. The same way a "pat-down" of a person, a "frisk" of a vehicle, or a "protective sweep" of a house is NOT deemed a "search".
Opening a cooler CAN be considered a "search" in some instances, and therefore the 4th amendment applies. For instance, an LEO on a traffic stop on a public road where there is no reason to belive that the person in the vehicle was engaged in any activity governed by TPWD, opening the cooler in the bed of his pickup truck based on inspection authority would be wrong. The LEO would need p.c., consent, or a warrant to go into the cooler.

All the things you mention are for officer protection, pat downs and such, way different. When you look in something to find out if a crime was committed that is a search, nothing else.

They are different, but they are examples of how an intrusion into someone's property or personal belongings can be deemed NOT a "search" by the courts. Simply trying to show that what a GW does when he looks into you cooler is NOT a "search", it is an "inspection". When an officer performs a "pat-down" it is not a "search", it is a "pat-down" etc....

That can be said about anything, everyone has a different point in what is reasonable and not.

A cooler in the truck is all a GW needs, if he finds game in the cooler the whole truck is fair game.

Well he would either be: sorely dissapointed or pleasantly surpised when he opens up my cooler and all he finds is Miller Lite!

I'm not sure with where I stand. But these are amendments to the constitution. They are a change from the original. So new laws are made, and the constitution is amended. I have a feeling if GWs were not allowed to search a cooler, no one would ever be caught, and there would be a lot of complaining. Are you concerned about this law, or the laws it could lead to? This particular law doesn't bother me at all. I'd be concerned if this led to a cop wanting to randomly search my house.

What about a vehicle inventory after an arrest??? It's not a search but lots of things have been found....

Guys no matter how much you argue on the THF no one is going to change their minds, the GW's will not change the way they work, and the Constitution will not be changed.

Unfortunately you are right. The constitution will just continue to be crapped on. Only way to change it, is for things to get bloody.

Wow

By that I mean a civil war.

I think we all know what you meant. However, the only way isn't blood.

I disagree, there is no other way the government is going to give up power. Power is either given up or taken.

You don't have to take it with blood though. Killing people isn't the only answer. I guess your binocular straps are just better than mine...

We're going to killing over a GW being able to look in coolers and a guy getting a ticket for an offense that guilt was admitted

Get the government to relinquish some its power then.

No, follow along. It is about government overstepping its bounds in every facet of your and my daily life. It appears you just don't see it.

Anyways I am off to sit in the deer stand, yall have fun.

Oh I have been following along...the state gov't is stepping on your 4th ammendment right and you are ready to kill people to get it changed. Did I sum it up pretty well?

Sounds like you need some time in the deer stand helo...take some deep breaths man.

Well I was all for a good old discussion and was right behind you helomech until the blood part showed up. I don't want to war with anyone. I don't want to hurt anyone and I don't believe a game warden looking into my cooler would warrant such an action. I would rather write a letter to my reps and congs and vote towards whomever I believe would do what is right.

You know what makes me feel better? Shooting a duck, goose, pheasant, dove, sandhill crane, etc right in the face. I mean blow his bill clean off...it warms my heart.

Wow...you guys have given this a lot of thought. Something from the original post that was never discussed or brought up. I thought it was kind of chicken chit that the dude that got a ticket was so upset that he just packed it up and went home. Screw that.

You know what makes me feel better? Shooting a duck, goose, pheasant, dove, sandhill crane, etc right in the face. I mean blow his bill clean off...it warms my heart. Sometimes you just have to say...well it was BS but I was wrong and a ticket was a very likely outcome...and move on. There is plenty of time to think about the ifs and buts later in the week why ruin the rest of the weekend over it.

Yep, ruined the rest of my trip too. Had to come and get drug along with the wife Christmas shopping.

Well I was all for a good old discussion and was right behind you helomech until the blood part showed up. I don't want to war with anyone. I don't want to hurt anyone and I don't believe a game warden looking into my cooler would warrant such an action. I would rather write a letter to my reps and congs and vote towards whomever I believe would do what is right.

Who would have thought that the guy that has "SECEDE" as his tagline is talking about civil war and bloodshed?

I'm not sure how many licensed hunters there are in Texas or game wardens. Let's just say 10,000 hunters and 1,000 GW's. Seems a little courtesy would be better PR and 11,000 guys and gals work together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and cooperation. Instead there is a divide and negative feeling toward the actions of "some" GW's. More than 2/3 of the hunters I have discussed this with not aware they have those powers or about the wing law.

I know I'm gonna read up on the regs now. Probably some other stuff I don't know. ...

There are between 350,000 - 500,000 deer taken in Texas each year. 11,000 hunters ain't doing that. That doesn't even include those who aren't deer hunting. Many dove, waterfowl and upland hunters never deer hunt. I am not sure how many hunting licenses TPWD sells each year but I bet it's closer to 750,000.

well I just read the entire thread... and I have 1 question for all of the people who said somethin along the lines of "you broke the law you should get a ticket" etc...

I am curious as to how many of you do not go hunting if you have 12 ducks in your freezer???

and if you do go duck hunting with 12 (or more) birds in your freezer then you are just as guility as the guy that got busted for not leaving a wing on the birds.

Or how many times have you had more than 6 birds in a pile together? I bet I can go back and find 100's of pictures on here...

I think the point is I think the GW could have handled it differently. instead of "probable cause" and all of that garbage... how about common sence and profesional courtsey.

I think the wing on the bird is a lame rule... have you ever tried to clean a duck and leave a wing on it??? it is a pain..

and the same can be said for the Possession limit, or putting all the birds in a pile for the "glory shot".

Just because they are laws dosent mean they cant be stupid.

Hate to disagree...

I think the wing on the bird is a lame rule... have you ever tried to clean a duck and leave a wing on it??? it is a pain..


Just because they are laws dosent mean they cant be stupid.

Oh yeah I have "tried" I do it everytime I am out of town hunting. WHich is a few times a year. It is not that hard. I dont think it is a dumb law, and if you have a hard time leaving a wing on... Well..... Ah....

Well lets just stop with leaving a wing on is not difficult.

well thanks for you opinion.

Oh yeah I have "tried" I do it everytime I am out of town hunting. WHich is a few times a year. It is not that hard. I dont think it is a dumb law, and if you have a hard time leaving a wing on... Well..... Ah....

Well lets just stop with leaving a wing on is not difficult.

Texas Administrative Code

TITLE 31 NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION
PART 2 TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
CHAPTER 65 WILDLIFE
SUBCHAPTER N MIGRATORY GAME BIRD PROCLAMATION
RULE §65.312 Possession of Migratory Game Birds
(a) For all migratory birds taken for which there is a possession limit, the possession limit shall apply until the birds have reached the personal residence of the possessor and are finally processed.

(b) A person may give, leave, receive, or possess any species of legally taken migratory game birds, or parts of birds, that are protected by a bag or possession limit, if the birds are accompanied by a wildlife resource document (WRD) from the person who killed the birds. For example, a WRD is required if the birds are being transported by another person for the hunter, or if the birds have been left for cleaning, storage (including temporary storage), shipment, or taxidermy services. The WRD is not required of a person who lawfully killed the birds to possess the birds, or if the birds are transferred at the personal residence of the donor or donee. If the birds have been finally processed at a cold storage or processing facility and a person transports more than a legal possession limit, then a WRD must accompany the birds in excess of the possession limit until they reach the permanent residence of the possessor. A properly executed WRD satisfies the tagging requirements of 50 CFR Part 20. Except as provided in this subsection, a WRD shall accompany the birds until the birds reach their final destination and must contain the following information:

(1) the name, signature, address, and hunting license number of the person who killed the birds;

(2) the name of the person receiving the birds;

(3) the number and species of birds or parts;

(4) the date the birds were killed; and

(5) the location where the birds were killed (e.g., name of ranch; area; lake, bay, or stream; county).

(c) No person may:

(1) take or have in possession more than the bag and possession limits of each species of migratory game birds except as provided in this section;

(2) possess migratory game birds on the opening day of the season in excess of the applicable daily bag limit;

(3) possess more than one daily bag limit of freshly killed migratory game birds while in the field or while returning from the field to one's hunting camp, automobile or other motor driven land conveyance, aircraft, temporary lodging facility, personal residence, or cold storage or processing facility; or

(4) possess freshly killed migratory game birds during the closed season.

Species Identification

One fully feathered wing or head must remain attached to dressed migratory game birds while being transported between the place taken and the personal residence of the hunter, the personal residence of another person receiving the dressed birds or a public cold storage plant. This regulation does not apply to doves taken in Texas. One fully feathered wing or head must remain attached to all migratory game birds imported from Mexico.

Daily Bag and Possession

No person shall possess more than one daily bag limit of freshly killed birds while in the field or while returning from the field to one's hunting camp, automobile or temporary lodging facility (see General Rules - Donation or Gift). For the first day of any season the possession limit is the daily bag limit. A person may possess additional migratory birds after they leave the field, if the additional birds they possess are tagged with a wildlife resource document from the hunter who killed them. Migratory birds finally processed at the permanent address of the possessor are not considered part of the possession limit.

CONDITIONER IS BETTER

OK then don't....



and while you are at it please turn yourself in for putting all your birds together... after all, that law is there to "Keep people honest"

Can you please post the penal code law or code of criminal procedure rule allowing a game warden more authority than any other police officer, please?

If we can't all agree on level of power game wardens should have and the erosion of our rights across the board, at least this post has been educational. If it saves even one guy the embarrassment and expense of citations then it was worth it...

Hope everyone has a nice Christmas!

If we can't all agree on level of power game wardens should have and the erosion of our rights across the board, at least this post has been educational. If it saves even one guy the embarrassment and expense of citations then it was worth it...

Hope everyone has a nice Christmas!

Hate to disagree but the wing law is not stupid. It keeps people honest. A hunter could go out and shoot 6 Pintails and breast them while out in the marsh. When the GW pulls up, he could tell him that he has 6 wigeon and be on his way having broken a law and overshooting a species that needs protection.

Nogeese, you said: I am curious as to how many of you do not go hunting if you have 12 ducks in your freezer???

and if you do go duck hunting with 12 (or more) birds in your freezer then you are just as guility as the guy that got busted for not leaving a wing on the birds.


No Sir, I believe that the following text would clear me of your attempted guilt trip... But I was under the impression that the posession limit extended to your freezer- until I read it closely. Is there any other law that supercedes what TPWD says about posession limits???


TITLE 31 NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION
PART 2 TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
CHAPTER 65 WILDLIFE
SUBCHAPTER N MIGRATORY GAME BIRD PROCLAMATION
RULE §65.312 Possession of Migratory Game Birds
(a) For all migratory birds taken for which there is a possession limit, the possession limit shall apply until the birds have reached the personal residence of the possessor and are finally processed.

Migratory birds finally processed at the permanent address of the possessor are not considered part of the possession limit.

Nogeese, you said: I am curious as to how many of you do not go hunting if you have 12 ducks in your freezer???

and if you do go duck hunting with 12 (or more) birds in your freezer then you are just as guility as the guy that got busted for not leaving a wing on the birds.


No Sir, I believe that the following text would clear me of your attempted guilt trip... But I was under the impression that the posession limit extended to your freezer- until I read it closely. Is there any other law that supercedes what TPWD says about posession limits???


TITLE 31 NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION
PART 2 TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
CHAPTER 65 WILDLIFE
SUBCHAPTER N MIGRATORY GAME BIRD PROCLAMATION
RULE §65.312 Possession of Migratory Game Birds
(a) For all migratory birds taken for which there is a possession limit, the possession limit shall apply until the birds have reached the personal residence of the possessor and are finally processed.

Migratory birds finally processed at the permanent address of the possessor are not considered part of the possession limit.

Good, now I don't have to worry about the 37 Pintails or 40 Canvasbacks' I have in the freezer!

Probably one of the best posts on here in a long time. If it were, so many people would not have made the effort to post. We take a lot for granted regarding laws and regulations and think we "know" or "they will never check that". Wrong!

A friends son got a ticket the other day for driving with a paper dealer tag after midnight. I did not know that was against the law. How many times have I bought a new truck and driven after midnight before my plates come in? You just don't know some things...

Now that is stupid. Some laws are just that. Really freakin' stupid.

i can finally come out of the shadows

Now that is stupid. Some laws are just that. Really freakin' stupid.

You might think so but I don't know dude. I didn't know it was a laaw either as I have not been a street police for years now and it had to have changed since. I can tell you this about working night shift. If a person were to drive by me on night shift with a paper tag, I was going to find another driving violation and stop them. 9 times out of 10 the temp tags were ficticious and a host of other criminal activity was usually discovered. If they were legit then they got sent on their way. I rarely encountered a legit tag on nights.

You might think so but I don't know dude. I didn't know it was a laaw either as I have not been a street police for years now and it had to have changed since. I can tell you this about working night shift. If a person were to drive by me on night shift with a paper tag, I was going to find another driving violation and stop them. 9 times out of 10 the temp tags were ficticious and a host of other criminal activity was usually discovered. If they were legit then they got sent on their way. I rarely encountered a legit tag on nights.