Part II of Nav's "Now that Im finally at a computer"

Which buck is wider? How wide are they? Which buck will score more? Both of these bucks are from AR counties.
Nav's buck-


A buck from Goliad County-

your buck from goliad is a tad wider and would score little more..imo

I think the G4s and C4s on Nav's buck will contribute enough to barely edge out Goliad on a gross score.
They are dang close. Goliad is a touch wider.

Nav's buck scores more, weighs more and is wider.... That was easy county is dead give away

Next

I'm gonna say bottom is wider, 14.5" top right at 13" top will out score being a main frame 10

I don't know, that last pic makes the Goliad Co buck look HUGE!

Nav's buck looks completely different to me in tc pics and ldp's. Looks like twice the deer in the ldp's.

Ignoring that this is probably a trick question..

Goliad is wider say 14.5 inches Nav's was 13 and something 5 or 6 eighths.

And as a WAG score is similar.

Gonna need extra syrup for BOBO on this one...

Mmm I like waffles. Im not sure what happened. A week ago I didn't know deer season was coming. Today I can barely sit in my chair im so ready to go!

That's No Show Jones!!!

I bet a 12 pack. You might get me on score (g1's and kickers) but that's it

goliad = coastal import

I agree the pics of Nav's buck made it look much smaller than the real deal, but I still think the pics of that buck from Goliad Cnty look bigger, and an older deer. Gross score is higher in the Goliad buck (brow tines), and that buck is over 14 inches wide, maybe pushing 15 inches based on the age of that buck and him having big dumbo ears.

I'll be PMing you my address and what beer I want

Coors original bottles.... And the mountains better be blue when they get here

It's amazing I deer hunt as impatient as I am waiting for stx to post up.

I'll let you pic a beer for me and I will meet at Whataburger in Goliad. You are wrong on at least one of your guesses. I'll just leave it at that.

I know it ain't weight!!! Or ear length!!!

I will allow you to edit your answer above in your first post to save face

Blaze of glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll save so money you don't have to overnight the beer

I have not said what you were wrong on BOBO, just you were wrong on at least one answer

My old favorite

what? when is deer season?

Well you two?

That's awesome I'm getting a double double and a beer!!!!

Hard for you to admit defeat and to comprehend I know..but you are wrong on at least one...I know the answers remember

You probably already forget the answer but the German in you won't allow you to pony up

I know it isn't weight that deer weighted 110
They got mini me ears so ain't spread
Score wise your dad has better g1's and kickers but nav has the mass and a G4

Wanna go double or nothing

Sure

Okay and you have to deliver it to me

Ok I'll be down there around Xmas to pick up my beer and whataburger.

Can't believe no body will stand with me

I will stand with you somewhat, I do think Nav's deer will out score by a thin margin, I got them at 123 to 118. That being said I think Stx deer will be 1.5" wider.

I am not usually a betting man but man I could go months without having to buy beer with this thread so far

Well that's close enough to standing by me.

Who's next

What county is Nav's buck?

My question to STX, are both deer dead so we have hard numbers or are we going by an estimate of yours and hard numbers on Nav's?

I assumed both were dead deer, but that has not been stated yet.

I still stand by my original guesstimate of goliad deer being heavier, wider and scoring more. Sorry BOBO

You're dead to me.

Hey, I am just a newbie...I don't know squat about aging or scoring (really don't know anything about scoring) so my WAG is just that...

But, I am curious to find out the answers

Both deer are dead. Hard numbers and plenty of cold beer for me

I think he said Leon.

Mmmmmm cold beer.

Buck was from Leon co.

I don't mind admitting defeat if I'm wrong, but I still gonna stick with Bo Bo on this one.

I would like to see a good clean pic of Nav's deer.

That a boy blue!!!!!!!

Right under 13" for the first one
Somewhere in the 14"-15" range. Not quite 15

Lol,

Where's Trex and sparkly pants they will agree with me

Oh yeah and the Goliad County deer seems larger/older/wider/BIGGER.

** Sheep, them two

Lol

I used to hunt in Leon County and didn't really find the deer to be large bodied, but that could just be because all of the older bucks didn't exist.

For this reason, and because it just looks bigger, I gotta go with Old Man Winter.

No faith in the clown!!!

Mess with da clown and get really

I just want to know the answers, not because I care IF I am correct (doubt I am on more than one account, but hey, I only got a 12.5% chance I got them all wrong so odds are in my favor on at least one assuming equal odds, but that is as big an assumption as BOBO's beer tab now) but because I want to know how big that bruiser from Goliad was...

Patience Grasshoppa

BoBo was wrong once, when he thought he was wrong. Lol

Believe me, if you ever hunted with me you would know I have patience

Notice all the pics I post are about my kids killing stuff. For some reason when it's dads turn the animals seem to just

Gona give him a stroke

I need some more beer bets on this one don't you think Nav

I'll say bottom buck on both accounts, but theyre close.

Lot of guys are scratching their heads on this one.

Well, give it up already.

Now gots ourselves a funny guy

If I answered, it would be cheating...I know the answer

#1 is 13 1/4 wide score around 123
#2 is 14 1/2 wide score around 128
Looking at this on my phone also so might be off just a hair

Man I was hoping it would all be out in the open by this morning... come on we got know!

I'm thinking we need smaller unit of measurement

Some you guys that guessed scores or spread are off 10% or more on one or both bucks. Some are close, now I sound like txhntr

ranchman where is your big bag o popcorn this little one is runnin low

Navs-13-6/8
Goliad-14-1/4

Goliad older and a bit bigger.
navs scores more

You could be at least 10% off on one or two or all those guesses

That might a pretty long hair then..since you could be off on one, or two or three or four of those guesses.

Aint gonna attempt to score, dont really know formula.

Spill the damn beans already.

Is this your final answer or do you want to use a lifeline and phone a friend

I'm confident....that I will be as far off as I was when you suckered the entire THF with those cropped out pics of the monster 8 you killed a few years back.

You might have started sounding like me, but you dang sure leave these poor guys hanging longer

Well your off on one or maybe even both of your guesses and one statement you made above was correct.

No answers yet?!?!?

I was so off I got the glasses. NOT COOL

I'm never wrong in my thought process.

But you did loose that double or nothing bet

I usually cut a 5 to 10 off the score for trail cam pics, but I still stand with BoBo. If anything I would adjust Nav's to 130ish and maybe Stx to 122, but that's all I would change

I'll give you the same offer as Grosvernor got...is this your final answer or would you like to phone a friend?

Not yet!!!

Final answer,lol I've been wrong before, but I have conviction.

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You forgot the PM from last night already

We all have and all will be in the future... but you were off over 10" on one buck and over 20" on the other on your score guesses and off on spread guess in the original post you made.

No, I'm finding a more scientific measurement... I just got to find a 15" caliper!!! We are going to take it to .001

Although beer will be cheaper!!!

Only way to beat a hill country German is to be one

Wow, I usually cut a little off, to make sure they meet my standards, but 20" is a lot. I will eat crow!

I can't find one, damn house odds!!!!

Ive got 24" digitals. Is this gonna be a tune in next week to find out what happens or what. Think someone is stalling on the payoff.

Nope and BOBO knows the answers

I was right 100% in my thought process. When you go to Vegas the worst odds on a particular game well get you if you forget about it.

My new best friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So lets see it

I am going to check my TC and feeders. When I get back I will post the answers. If anyone still wants to guess... have it...since no one is 100% correct on their guesses so far (including DA CLOWN )

Is there a good pic of Nav's deer?

My question is, Which one tastes better?

Yes nav posted better dead pics

mmmmmmm all venison taste good

Glad I was able to make your week!!

Dead Beer!

How old was that chilli Nav?

Last minute waffle:

Nav = 13 6/8 and 135 inches
STX = 14 and 133

edited for additional waffling

I'm obviously doing something wrong....I get STX's buck in to upper 140's every time I look at it. That last pic may have me exaggerating tine length, but I'm getting hi 40's low 50's on a 16 inch spread every time I go at it.

I found the dead pic, it makes a difference. Nav's deer is gonna bump 140, still think Stx is low to mid 120s

meat had been aging for 6 days chili was fresh

Okay....for the width part They both were 13 6/8" inside spread. So neither bucks was wider or narrow than the other one. Some got the spread right (after some waffling) on one but not the other.... As far as score some really blew it. Nav' bucks grossed 144 5/8" and the buck my Dad killed grossed 129 7/8". So Nav's was bigger by a lot.
It was fun and I won a couple of cases of beer off the Da Clown

Nope thats what they are unless you want to bring them somewhere and meet up and score them .What you may not know is i am a grad from a and m and did studies with Greg Simons, Ruben Cantu, Steve Nellea and i have been involed with the TPW for over 25 years so i think i know a little but hey think what you will.

I know Greg Simons and Steve Nelle. Both great guys. I know the scores on both deer

You forgot to study bucks with non to very little functioning balls in the other thread.... Just saying

This feller is feisty! Or

Yea after seeing dead pics, of Nav's, no doubt he was bigger than the TC pics showed , very nice deer, I under estimated the Goliad, big 8s look better on the wall than the tape, but that gets a lot of people. Both super deer and I love this forum. Thanks Stx for a fun thread. I believe this helps everyone.

I think I still would have low balled him. Great deer. Now I just gotta figure out who I'm gonna bill for all the time I spent on THF this morning.

He surprised me once I seen him for the first time on the hoof also...I had nothing but IR pics of him I didn't even know the antlers were dark colored.

Wow, very impressive Nav.

This thread was about the problems we have when trying to judge deer from pics and trying to get guesses on spreads for AR's for pics. What angle the buck is standing in a pic can change what we see and how we see it. It can humble anyone. I miss my share on here.
The Goliad buck was killed in late Dec 2012 in a year that it only rained 9" from May till Jan. He was 7+ on age and poor as a snake. He did show up till after Thanksgiving on TC. I had not seen a deer on the ground here or found a shed so I was working off guesses just like this thread was about.
If I had been Nav and had those pics to go by I still don't think I could have made the decision to shoot without study the deer long and hard when he was standing in front of me.

Thanks and you were right about body weight in the county.. use to not see a deer over 120lbs just for the reason of there not being many bucks over 3yrs old. I almost didn't get this one loaded in the buggy by myself... been some big changes in the county the last few years

Dang Nav missed yours by a long shot, was close on Goliad though.

I bet the same spread, Nav's scored more, STX's was older & Nav's heavier, both had 4 legs.

Why do ya'll always jump to the troll thing ? i guess no one can second guess or quetion the ones that have 40k in post when i dont have but a few ?
I am stating what i know and see good lord , it would be nice if ya'll wasnt so quick to judge and be like that!!!

Your not the first to call him out. For the record most who do are wrong. I was.

For every year of experience you have in a classroom he probably has two hands on.

Don't mind them Threelranch. It is close to hunting season and they are getting edgy. It is a forum and what we can't see is how serious someone is about their posts or replies to posts. Almost all of mine are made when I smiling as a type. I have a great sense of humor, hence the at the end of my reply back to you. Have fun on here since life is to short.

Your dang PMs are full while ur at it

Made some room so y'all can congratulate me on being correct.

Did you get those pics I sent you of my new pair of chaps?

No, and if you feel the urge to PM me a pic of a guy in ***less chaps, please send it to my secondary account, txshntr.

I was working on this as we speak

wait.... just the chaps no guy... chicks wear them to you know

hahaha

Thanks for the thread stx...helps make these terribly long, slow days leading up to opening morning a little less painful!

I sure hope djones doesn't see this....

Exercising your Google-Foo again?

Okay....for the width part They both were 13 6/8" inside spread. So neither bucks was wider or narrow than the other one. Some got the spread right (after some waffling) on one but not the other.... As far as score some really blew it. Nav' bucks grossed 144 5/8" and the buck my Dad killed grossed 129 7/8". So Nav's was bigger by a lot.
It was fun and I won a couple of cases of beer off the Da Clown
They both were 13 6/8" inside spreadThats a real hard to belive they are both the same to the 6/8 th but
Nav' bucks grossed 144 5/8"I would have to put my hands on that one to see cause i dont see it form the blury pic.

Nav's buck

I didn't see it either till the tape was put to him.

the 35inches of mass, almost 43 inches on the MBs helped him alot

I gotta say those head on trail cam pics are deceptive, but with the dead pictures and that profile TC pic brings a different perspective

I'm not being defensive! You're the one who's being defensive! Why is always the other person who's being defensive? Have you ever asked yourself that? Why don't you ask yourself that?

I don't think it is a troll thing or a post count thing...pretty sure it was the "who I am and who I know comment"

I am no one and know nothing...but you were wrong

Just relax and enjoy. All comments are welcome and I won't name names (stxranchman ) but some just like to argue. We are good folk for the most part and like to have fun...sometimes there is collateral damage

Yea Nav people don't realize, that mass and long MB, can really separate two classes of deer. IMO You gain 10" in those areas, you go from a 130 to a 140 and to me that is a big gap.

You missed location and time of the year.. like comparing a hill country deer to panhandle.
Coastal prairie deer was 110lb. East Texas had probably 40 plus on it. Not all sub species have same ear length but you probably knew that already

In that i do see it but not the trail cam pic wich are always put you off around 10-20 either way but that is a heck of a bow kill anyway , i was not trying to be a troll or prove who i have had the plesure in working with but only trying to state that i am not a first year hunter or roike Biologist i have done my time in the field , anyhow thats beside the point great buck and i will keep my opions to myslef form now on.If someone wants my help or needs anything that i can help with i will.

Not doggin you at all lol don't take my comments to serious im not responsible for what my hands type

The beams are what got most people on the score, I am sure. From your head on pictures, it is hard to tell. When I went back and looked at the profile pictures, you can see the beam length with the way they curve down and back up. Great buck again, Amigo

Thanks bud