Posted By: bdotson
I wanted a long shot *DELETED* - 10/13/08 07:24 PM
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Posted By: MaggieMTx
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:26 PM
little risky isnt it?
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:36 PM
what do you mean? we would have to know where we were and what we have for a back stop and such, is that what you are talking about? safety is no 1 a clean shot is also very important.
Posted By: whby05
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:38 PM
are you wanting to pay to do this?
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:40 PM
Sure If I have to. It cost to play right?
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:42 PM
Before you try a shot at that range you should goto Tiger Valley and try it on paper,
They have a 1000 yard range
Here is their link,
http://www.tigervalley.com/tvciv_longrangeopen.php
Let me know if you go; I may pull out the .50 and come meet you
They have a 1000 yard range
Here is their link,
http://www.tigervalley.com/tvciv_longrangeopen.php
Let me know if you go; I may pull out the .50 and come meet you
Posted By: whby05
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:44 PM
where you located? what are you going to be shooting (caliber)?
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:44 PM
How often do you practice making 600+ shots? What rifle were you thinking?
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:47 PM
Quote:
How often do you practice making 600+ shots? What rifle were you thinking?
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 07:52 PM
I am in tyler I shoot in the cool months pretty regular lets say twice a week or so. As for cal. I would probly shoot a 6mm I have not shot much this year as it is just now getting cool enough for me to shoot.
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:09 PM
Posted By: TX_LT230FH
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:09 PM
Quote:
I am in tyler I shoot in the cool months pretty regular lets say twice a week or so. As for cal. I would probly shoot a 6mm I have not shot much this year as it is just now getting cool enough for me to shoot.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:15 PM
what does that mean?
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:16 PM
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As for cal. I would probly shoot a 6mm
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:18 PM
you dont like a 6mm? why not I have had good luck with them
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:22 PM
Quote:
you dont like a 6mm? why not I have had good luck with them
At that range, I would rather have "skill" than "Good Luck"
Lil Light
Posted By: gary75758
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:23 PM
6mm cal. is really light : for 700 plus yard shot. I would use 50 cal or larger 
for 700 plus yard shot. I would use 50 cal or larger
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:25 PM
Quote:
you dont like a 6mm? why not I have had good luck with them
I actually love the 6mm! One of my most accurate guns is a 6mm, but if I had any reason in the world to think that I would be stretching the distance of my shot past the 300 yard mark I can garuntee you that the 6mm wont even be on my radar when it comes to the list of guns that would be in my hand!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:26 PM
point well taken what would you want to shoot at 700 plus yds? I can shoot MY 6MM better at distance than anything I have, NOTE I SAID I.Also you will notice a lot of long range records are held with the 6mm.
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:27 PM
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Also you will notice a lot of long range records are held with the 6mm.
On papper yes, on deer NO!!
Posted By: Mr. Whiskers
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:28 PM
No offense, but that doesn't sound right. Bowhunter's get as close as possible.
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:30 PM
Ill rent you a .50 cal
compare the bullet size:
I belive I had a .223 on the left and a 22-250 on the right.
650 Grain V max.
You will have to supply the ammo at $5.00 a round.
Ill supply the gun and glass.
You will also need some range time with it at your cost. {Tiger Valley}
compare the bullet size:
I belive I had a .223 on the left and a 22-250 on the right.
650 Grain V max.
You will have to supply the ammo at $5.00 a round.
Ill supply the gun and glass.
You will also need some range time with it at your cost. {Tiger Valley}
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:30 PM
no offence taken whiskers. I to bow hunt just got home to be exact. I bet we both bow hunt for the extra challange right? This is the same thing only a diffrent angle at it
Posted By: unlearned69
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:31 PM
How much energy could a 6mm possibly have left at 700 yards? Not knocking your idea, but it seems that it wouldn't have much steam left out there.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:33 PM
Gee Chev How big are them deer you got!!!!!! WOW now that is a gun or should I say a cannon! Are you sure a 105 or a 108 gn bullet at 1000 fps would not be enough?
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:34 PM
Quote:
How much energy could a 6mm possibly have left at 700 yards? Not knocking your idea, but it seems that it wouldn't have much steam left out there.
I hunted on a lease with a guy that shot nothing but a 6mm! He tried to tell me that he droped a buck in his tracks at 1100 yards on a dead run with his 6mm on time!
I called
on it, and he did not like me too much after that!
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:37 PM
Quote:
Gee Chev How big are them deer you got!!!!!! WOW now that is a gun or should I say a cannon! Are you sure a 105 or a 108 gn bullet at 1000 fps would not be enough?
Not for Deer
Dont worry about recoil, its like a .243 laying prone.
I would rather ues a sling shot at that range and film a funny video.
You need more power to control the bullet drift and drop at that range to be effective.
JMO
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:39 PM
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:40 PM
Quote:
Stop eating and say something!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:40 PM
JCB I am with you on the running shot It would not be for me. Now if a 6MM is good on papper why would it not be good on deer? remember 6mm is only the diameter of the bullet not the case. there are countless 6mm cases out there all are 6mm or.243 cal.
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:40 PM
Quote:
Pass the salt,
Oh wait I neeed to goto work
Yall have fun,
Later
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:41 PM
Quote:Quote:
Stop eating and say something!
LMAO
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:42 PM
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JCB I am with you on the running shot It would not be for me. Now if a 6MM is good on papper why would it not be good on deer? remember 6mm is only the diameter of the bullet not the case. there are countless 6mm cases out there all are 6mm or.243 cal.
Because last time I checked it took a lot more energy to kill a deer than a piece of paper!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:45 PM
1000 fps and 105 grn bullet
would a 105 grn bullet at 1000 fps not be enough energy?
would a 105 grn bullet at 1000 fps not be enough energy?
Posted By: KRoyal
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:49 PM
You need something like the 338 edge click HERE to see it in action on a buck at 950yards but really you should never shoot any animal that you don't plan to destroy with a 50 its just over kill
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:53 PM
Quote:
1000 fps and 105 grn bullet
would a 105 grn bullet at 1000 fps not be enough energy?
Look man, rule of thumb when hunting is 1000# of energy for the distance you plan shooting a whitetail (at least thats what i've always been told). 6mm Rem has 792 at 500.
Posted By: wetduck
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:55 PM
no it would not.
The acceptable min for years has been 1000ftlbs at impact.
at that impact velocity you will barley have enough energy to start bullet expansion, and not margin for penetration.
would kinda sux to watch it hobble off on thre legs
Can this be done yes but to use such a light bullet is wildly irresposible.
you are counting on every thing working to perfection, including a living target.
A super hot .30 cal would be a absolute min, and the .50 cal is what you need to do this with.
The acceptable min for years has been 1000ftlbs at impact.
at that impact velocity you will barley have enough energy to start bullet expansion, and not margin for penetration.
would kinda sux to watch it hobble off on thre legs
Can this be done yes but to use such a light bullet is wildly irresposible.
you are counting on every thing working to perfection, including a living target.
A super hot .30 cal would be a absolute min, and the .50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Posted By: cleatas
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:55 PM
Quote:
1000 fps and 105 grn bullet
would a 105 grn bullet at 1000 fps not be enough energy?
I dont think so buddy
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:56 PM
Quote:Quote:
1000 fps and 105 grn bullet
would a 105 grn bullet at 1000 fps not be enough energy?
Look man, rule of thumb when hunting is 1000# of energy for the distance you plan shooting a whitetail (at least thats what i've always been told). 6mm Rem has 792 at 500.
You beat me to it, but here is a table for the 6mm!
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/6mm_remington.html
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:58 PM
Quote:
You need something like the 338 edge click HERE to see it in action on a buck at 950yards but really you should never shoot any animal that you don't plan to destroy with a 50 its just over kill
Proper shot placement my friend,
At 600+ yard the .50 would not destroy it.
Posted By: KRoyal
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:58 PM
Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
Posted By: Bonehead
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 08:59 PM
You want a real long shot?? Try voting for Nader!!
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:00 PM
He us yanking your chains, wouldn't hit it to begin with, really not ethical, and a waste of time to continue reading thread!
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:00 PM
Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
No such thing as over kill!!
There is only one kind of dead!
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:01 PM
Quote:
He us yanking your chains, wouldn't hit it to begin with, really not ethical, and a waste of time to continue reading thread!
He could be jackin with us, but I have nothing better to do right now!
Now go eat some popcorn!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:03 PM
Good info guys If you recall the question I was ask was what cal. I repled 6mm.NOT 6MM REM. You will notice that the 6mm DASHER has 1135.6 at 500 and almost 600 at 1000 yds. Not here to debate guns with you this is not the place although it seems like it would be fun.
Posted By: 1000YRDSTARE
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:03 PM
Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to.
Are you certain about that?
Posted By: helomech
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:04 PM
Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:06 PM
Quote:
Good info guys If you recall the question I was ask was what cal. I repled 6mm.NOT 6MM REM. You will notice that the 6mm DASHER has 1135.6 at 500 and almost 600 at 1000 yds. Not here to debate guns with you this is not the place although it seems like it would be fun.
Well are you saying you have a DASHER?
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:08 PM
guess we could get a little 50cal vs 6mm shoot off what you think???who would be in??
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:08 PM
bet not!
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:10 PM
Quote:
bet not!
Posted By: wetduck
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:11 PM
1000 ft lbs at impact
would you shoot one a 200yds with .22
would you shoot one a 200yds with .22
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:11 PM
Quote:
guess we could get a little 50cal vs 6mm shoot off what you think???who would be in??
Are you joking?
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:12 PM
Pass the popcorn!
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:13 PM
Quote:Quote:
guess we could get a little 50cal vs 6mm shoot off what you think???who would be in??
Are you joking?
My money is on the 50!
Posted By: Bonehead
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:13 PM
I'd love to watch this one and can pop a little corn while we're there!
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:14 PM
Quote:
1000 ft lbs at impact
would you shoot one a 200yds with .22
22lr?
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:15 PM
where did he go on the question!
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:17 PM
Quote:Quote:
1000 ft lbs at impact
would you shoot one a 200yds with .22
22lr?
Only in east tx with headlights of course!
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:18 PM
Quote:
1000 ft lbs at impact
would you shoot one a 200yds with .22
No 22 for me! Ask Orn though!
Posted By: KRoyal
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:20 PM
Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
I am not saying they don't use them but its not their first choice. The 50 is normally a anti-vehicle round but if they have someone hidding behind cover and need to punch through to get them they might use it. However I just watched a sharpshooter on the history channel and it had alot of the military shooting teams from all over the world and thats almost a direct quote from the USA sniper shooting team.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:21 PM
remember the .22lr is only around 40 grns so the energy might be a little less than expected
Posted By: RICK O'SHAY
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:27 PM
I WISH I HAD LAND I'D BET YOU $100 A SHOT AGAINST THE DEER YOU WANT TO SHOOT THAT YOU COULDN'T HIT A 1 GAL JUG AT 500 YDS.
YOU MAY BE A GREAT SHOT AND HIT IT THE FIRST TIME, I'D LET YOU SHOOT THE DEER FOR FREE. IF YOU HIT ON THE 5TH SHOT YOU'D PAY $400 TO HUNT.
YOU MAY BE A GREAT SHOT AND HIT IT THE FIRST TIME, I'D LET YOU SHOOT THE DEER FOR FREE. IF YOU HIT ON THE 5TH SHOT YOU'D PAY $400 TO HUNT.
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:30 PM
LMAO, pass the popcorn JCB!
Posted By: robbf213
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:31 PM
Quote:
NOTE I SAID I.Also you will notice a lot of long range records are held with the 6mm.
6mm BR, yes. 6mm Remington, no
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:31 PM
Just curious. What range are you shooting at that far? The only long range I know of in East TX is in Panola County and it is 600.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:32 PM
Rick I have the land you bring those 100 dollar bills and your 1 gal jug when can you be here?? I dont have a good deer population so we choose not to shoot them at any yardage but I do have a place to shoot
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:38 PM
rob you are right I never said a thing about a 6 rem Koeing I shoot here at home
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:41 PM
Quote:
rob you are right I never said a thing about a 6 rem Koeing I shoot here at home
So what 6mm do you have?
You avoided my question when I asked earlier!
Posted By: Gator Killer
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:43 PM
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:45 PM
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 09:54 PM
6mm Dasher sorry for the delay
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:01 PM
Got pics like to check it out.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:02 PM
some of the 6mm are bad Barney Lawton sets new World Record!
Barney used his 6x47 cal. in the "Light Gun" class 1000 yard
benchrest competition. On June 10, 2007 Barney fired a 10
shot group that measured 5.185" all were in the 10 ring for
a perfect 100 score.
Rifle was a Lawton barrel and action, 8 twist.
Berger 107 grain 6mm bullets.
Barney used his 6x47 cal. in the "Light Gun" class 1000 yard
benchrest competition. On June 10, 2007 Barney fired a 10
shot group that measured 5.185" all were in the 10 ring for
a perfect 100 score.
Rifle was a Lawton barrel and action, 8 twist.
Berger 107 grain 6mm bullets.
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:02 PM
Quote:
6mm Dasher sorry for the delay
Thank you!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:07 PM
BMD I will try to post a pic I am not to good at this stuff
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:09 PM
Ok Barney to answer your question. Sure, Im sure there is an outfitter somewhere out there that wouldn't mind you missing or wounding their deer for a little cash.
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:10 PM
Who built the rifle? Specs, I am a looney sorry.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:20 PM
BMD if i email you som pic can you post them?
Posted By: Koenig
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:20 PM
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:25 PM
Thanks K, didn't see question in time.
Posted By: Mr. Clean
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:34 PM
It has taken me 4 years to become "confident" enought to take 400-500 yard shots with my .308. That is using hand loaded ammo, shooting in near perfect weather conditions (for shooting) and shooting a 4'x4' hanging metal plate.
My longest shot is 560 yards at a Coyote in NM and it took three shots to hit it. You must be VERY PROFICIENT if you feel confident enough to hit a deer at a 1000 yards.....and kill it humanely...with a 6 mm in near perfect windage conditions....weather and humidity....etc. 
That is using hand loaded ammo, shooting in near perfect weather conditions (for shooting) and shooting a 4'x4' hanging metal plate. My longest shot is 560 yards at a Coyote in NM and it took three shots to hit it.
You must be VERY PROFICIENT if you feel confident enough to hit a deer at a 1000 yards.....and kill it humanely...with a 6 mm in near perfect windage conditions....weather and humidity....etc.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:36 PM
OK here goes a try with the pictures. although I feel as if I am on trial here. I dont mind answering any questions as I have nothing to hide. I simply had a request that I thought someone on here might like to help with by the way dont ever bet aganst the Dasher in a 1000 yd competion LOL Man would I LOVE to shoot 500 yards at 1 gal jugs for a dollar a pop 
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:41 PM
Awesome rig who built it? Specs?
Posted By: Mr. Clean
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:44 PM
Wow ..... boy does this crow fry up good ....anyone else want to eat some with me!
I still wanna see ya shoot it!!!
..... boy does this crow fry up good ....anyone else want to eat some with me! I still wanna see ya shoot it!!!
Posted By: KRoyal
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:46 PM
WOW Thats a great looking gun man... Now i'm not against or for your request to each his own... But i'd love to have a gun like that but i just don't shoot enough to buy something like that....
Posted By: helomech
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:47 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
I am not saying they don't use them but its not their first choice. The 50 is normally a anti-vehicle round but if they have someone hidding behind cover and need to punch through to get them they might use it. However I just watched a sharpshooter on the history channel and it had alot of the military shooting teams from all over the world and thats almost a direct quote from the USA sniper shooting team.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
They don't just use it for someone behind cover. For shots past 1000 yards it is used more than any other weapon.
Posted By: Frisbie
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:49 PM
whats something like that $run$?
Posted By: JCB
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:50 PM
Quote:
Wow
I still wanna see ya shoot it!!!
It aint fried, but its the best I could come up with!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:51 PM
Mr Clean I hear you and have nothing but respect for a man that knows his limitations and I am not trying to be a smart az. I have been shooting many years and would not attempt this in anything but near perfect conditions. If you are ever in the neighbor hood I wish you could shoot this gun it will do wonders for your confidence. I shoot the 308 also and love it. As a matter of fact I now shoot It in BR competition in the factory gun class. I shoot the mini skeets with the dasher on a regular basis at 400 yards they are about the size of a half dollar and you can shoot them also I guarantee it!! I AM NOT THAT GOOD OF A SHOT I DO HOWEVER HAVE A VERY ACCURATE RIFLE
Posted By: KRoyal
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:51 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
I am not saying they don't use them but its not their first choice. The 50 is normally a anti-vehicle round but if they have someone hidding behind cover and need to punch through to get them they might use it. However I just watched a sharpshooter on the history channel and it had alot of the military shooting teams from all over the world and thats almost a direct quote from the USA sniper shooting team.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
They don't just use it for someone behind cover. For shots past 1000 yards it is used more than any other weapon.
Well yea but we weren't talking about pass 1000 yards...
Posted By: helomech
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:56 PM
Quote:
Wow
I still wanna see ya shoot it!!!
The gun isn't the problem, it is the shooter being able to account for all the variable in a situation where only the first shot counts, and the all the variables are not given to you. At 1000 yards you can only guess at what the wind is doing throughout the entire path of the bullet. Not to mention if the deer moves at all in the time it takes the bullet to reach it. In perfect conditions and the deer doesn't not all that hard, if you know all the variables. I know for a fact that I can hit a racoon in the head at 200 yards at night, and I know I can put a bullet in the ear of a hog at 300 yards. But can I ethically hit a deer at 1000, not so sure.
Posted By: helomech
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 10:57 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
I am not saying they don't use them but its not their first choice. The 50 is normally a anti-vehicle round but if they have someone hidding behind cover and need to punch through to get them they might use it. However I just watched a sharpshooter on the history channel and it had alot of the military shooting teams from all over the world and thats almost a direct quote from the USA sniper shooting team.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
They don't just use it for someone behind cover. For shots past 1000 yards it is used more than any other weapon.
Well yea but we weren't talking about pass 1000 yards...
Yeah, the .300 and the .308 are used for most shots at less than 1000 yards. No reason to bring a big boy to a close fight.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:02 PM
Frisb Guns like this are one off so it just depends on who you get to build them the parts are quite expensive action barrel trigger stock and so on plus the smith work takes forever it might take you 2 years to get you gun from concept to the range. the scopes are very expensive also. as well as the other things that go with them like bags and rest I dont mean to boast but I have more money in the front rest and bags for this gun than I do in the 308 I shoot in competition. A good front rest for 1000 yd gun can cost as much as 1000 dollars and you still have to have dies made so as you can see it can get up there pretty quick I hope I have answered you question
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:04 PM
Still like to know specs on the rifle? Awesome
Rig? And who built it?
Rig? And who built it?
Posted By: KRoyal
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:04 PM
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.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
I am not saying they don't use them but its not their first choice. The 50 is normally a anti-vehicle round but if they have someone hidding behind cover and need to punch through to get them they might use it. However I just watched a sharpshooter on the history channel and it had alot of the military shooting teams from all over the world and thats almost a direct quote from the USA sniper shooting team.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
They don't just use it for someone behind cover. For shots past 1000 yards it is used more than any other weapon.
Well yea but we weren't talking about pass 1000 yards...
Yeah, the .300 and the .308 are used for most shots at less than 1000 yards. No reason to bring a big boy to a close fight.
Lol well put I just wish I could even remotely shoot like that... 300 yards is pushing it for me but thats with a stock AR15...
Posted By: HWY_MAN
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:14 PM
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Are you sure a 105 or a 108 gn bullet at 1000 fps would not be enough?
I'm damn sure! Thats not much more energy than a 380.
Posted By: helomech
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:15 PM
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.50 cal is what you need to do this with.
Why do you guys think this? Military snipers don't even use the 50cal on human targets unless they have to. It is an anti vehicle round way over kill for any animal unless your hunting elephants or rhinos.
I am not saying they don't use them but its not their first choice. The 50 is normally a anti-vehicle round but if they have someone hidding behind cover and need to punch through to get them they might use it. However I just watched a sharpshooter on the history channel and it had alot of the military shooting teams from all over the world and thats almost a direct quote from the USA sniper shooting team.
Military snipers do use the .50 bmg for people. The record is held by a .50.
They don't just use it for someone behind cover. For shots past 1000 yards it is used more than any other weapon.
Well yea but we weren't talking about pass 1000 yards...
Yeah, the .300 and the .308 are used for most shots at less than 1000 yards. No reason to bring a big boy to a close fight.
Lol well put I just wish I could even remotely shoot like that... 300 yards is pushing it for me but thats with a stock AR15...
I feel confident at deer to 500 yards, with my .30-06 if the wind is not blowing hard. I would try a shot on a yote or a hog at 1000 yards if given the chance. I missed a shot on a running hog at 300 yards, but not by much.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:18 PM
OK BMD sorry for the delay the gun was built in Montana by John ??? I will have to look his last name up. It is a lawton 7500 rblp action with a Broghton 0ne in eight twist barrel, jewell bench rest trigger 2 oz, custom stock, 20 moa base machined in the action. on a picatinny rail has a nightforce 12-42 br scope with scope level for canting the rifle. I will be glad to answer any more questions you are anyone else has as I love to shoot and talk guns.
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:37 PM
Awesome, I am in to the customs, I am building my collection of hunting customs, but may look into a bench rest rifle after I have all the custom hunting rifles are complete, waiting on my .220 swift to be completed. That is an awesome rig as I said, don't know mch about night force scopes, will be looking at swaro, schmidt bender, and us optics for the .220, I assume that scope is in same price range? What other customs do you have?
Posted By: wetduck
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:43 PM
that is one KATN rifle.
But I think you are confusing Hitting some thing and killing it.
Your cartridge is underpowered for KILLING at the range you want.
This has turned in to your ego being more imortant than the ethically/responsibly Killing a deer. You have reduced the animal to nothing more than a target.
But I think you are confusing Hitting some thing and killing it.
Your cartridge is underpowered for KILLING at the range you want.
This has turned in to your ego being more imortant than the ethically/responsibly Killing a deer. You have reduced the animal to nothing more than a target.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/13/08 11:53 PM
BMD here is a little more info on the gun
Chamber - .271 neck, .107 Freebore
Stock - Joel Russo custom thumbhole w/left handed cheek
Action - LAWTON 7500 RBLP
Barrel - Broughton 5C,SS,28”,1-8tw,1.250 Straight ‘taper’
Trigger - Jewell BR set at 2 oz.
Scope - NightForce BR 12x42x56 np2-dd
Scope rail - LAWTON
Recoil lug - LAWTON
Rings - ??? from tactical supply in Oregon
SS butt plt - from Bruno’s
SS trig. grd - from Bruno’s
ClearCote - by MadShadow Custom Painting
brass formed by Leo Anderson
At last I knew Leo was the current 1000 yd world record holder this is a sister gun to his Leo did some of the work on this gun but it was built by John King in mt.
as for this deer shot think I withdraw my request and am sorry for any inconvenience it may have caused sorry
Chamber - .271 neck, .107 Freebore
Stock - Joel Russo custom thumbhole w/left handed cheek
Action - LAWTON 7500 RBLP
Barrel - Broughton 5C,SS,28”,1-8tw,1.250 Straight ‘taper’
Trigger - Jewell BR set at 2 oz.
Scope - NightForce BR 12x42x56 np2-dd
Scope rail - LAWTON
Recoil lug - LAWTON
Rings - ??? from tactical supply in Oregon
SS butt plt - from Bruno’s
SS trig. grd - from Bruno’s
ClearCote - by MadShadow Custom Painting
brass formed by Leo Anderson
At last I knew Leo was the current 1000 yd world record holder this is a sister gun to his Leo did some of the work on this gun but it was built by John King in mt.
as for this deer shot think I withdraw my request and am sorry for any inconvenience it may have caused sorry
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 12:06 AM
thanks good info to have.
Posted By: JJH
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 01:30 AM
Ok, bdotson: you've suckered us in. Using the term 6MM, knowing most would assume you were referring to the 6MM Rem.
And yes, it appears that you have great equipment. And I will assume that you are a well practiced bench rest shooter. The 6MM Basher is an improved 6MM BR, no?
You asked whether a 100gr bullet at 1000fps, at 700 yds is adequate for deer. Here are a couple of thoughts. I'd appreciate a response...not saying you can't do it, just curious.
1) I don't know of any hunting, big game bullet, that is designed to expand reliably at 1000 fps. What bullet are you using?
2) According to my ballistic software, a 6MM 105gr Berger VLD bullet (BC= .556), in order to be at 1000fps at 700 yds would have a MV of approximately 1650fps....probably very doable from a Dasher.
3) But if sighted in 3" hi at 100 yds, the drop at 700 yds would be about 370" (31 feet!)
3)If you misjudged the range by 100 yards, and the deer was really at 800 yds, the drop would be 44 feet. Not much margin for error if your range estimation is off by a few yards, you will miss the deer completley, or worse, wound it.
4) A 100 gr bullet at 1000fps has a kinetic energy of about 250 ft-lbs (again according to my software). This is WELL below that rule of thumb of 1000 ft-lbs for deer.
5) Again, I am not aware of any hunting bullet that will reliably expand at 1000fps...which means even if you hit the deer in a perfect spot, you would likely have a 6MM hole in and a 6MM hole out. And the result would likely be a deer which runs off with little blood trail.
6) Wind: Even a gentle 5mph wind will cause a very efficeint Berger 105 gr bullet to drift 3 FEET at 700 yds. How do you know the wind conditions between you and the deer?
7) Time of flight: At 700 yds, the TOF would be over 1.5 seconds. That's a LONG time for the deer to turn, move, or walk, causing a bad hit.
Bottom line: Without a lot of convincing, you will not be shooting at any deer, with any rifle, on my place at 700 yds.
But I've been wrong before!
And yes, it appears that you have great equipment. And I will assume that you are a well practiced bench rest shooter. The 6MM Basher is an improved 6MM BR, no?
You asked whether a 100gr bullet at 1000fps, at 700 yds is adequate for deer. Here are a couple of thoughts. I'd appreciate a response...not saying you can't do it, just curious.
1) I don't know of any hunting, big game bullet, that is designed to expand reliably at 1000 fps. What bullet are you using?
2) According to my ballistic software, a 6MM 105gr Berger VLD bullet (BC= .556), in order to be at 1000fps at 700 yds would have a MV of approximately 1650fps....probably very doable from a Dasher.
3) But if sighted in 3" hi at 100 yds, the drop at 700 yds would be about 370" (31 feet!)
3)If you misjudged the range by 100 yards, and the deer was really at 800 yds, the drop would be 44 feet. Not much margin for error if your range estimation is off by a few yards, you will miss the deer completley, or worse, wound it.
4) A 100 gr bullet at 1000fps has a kinetic energy of about 250 ft-lbs (again according to my software). This is WELL below that rule of thumb of 1000 ft-lbs for deer.
5) Again, I am not aware of any hunting bullet that will reliably expand at 1000fps...which means even if you hit the deer in a perfect spot, you would likely have a 6MM hole in and a 6MM hole out. And the result would likely be a deer which runs off with little blood trail.
6) Wind: Even a gentle 5mph wind will cause a very efficeint Berger 105 gr bullet to drift 3 FEET at 700 yds. How do you know the wind conditions between you and the deer?
7) Time of flight: At 700 yds, the TOF would be over 1.5 seconds. That's a LONG time for the deer to turn, move, or walk, causing a bad hit.
Bottom line: Without a lot of convincing, you will not be shooting at any deer, with any rifle, on my place at 700 yds.
But I've been wrong before!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 02:21 AM
I pmd you but to answer your questions I will try
1 berger 105 vld
2 6mm DASHER has mv of over 3000 fps
3 I dont sight in I dial in for a given yardage
3 I use a lecia 1200 yd range finder mounted on a tri pod
4the load I shoot has a velocity of 1552.2 fps @1000 yards energy of 561.7
5 not a question
6 wind is calculated with a kestler wind meter at the bench and the use of wind flags down range tape on limbs works well
7tof time of flight is 1.395 sec at 1000 yds .874@700
hope this clears up any questions
1 berger 105 vld
2 6mm DASHER has mv of over 3000 fps
3 I dont sight in I dial in for a given yardage
3 I use a lecia 1200 yd range finder mounted on a tri pod
4the load I shoot has a velocity of 1552.2 fps @1000 yards energy of 561.7
5 not a question
6 wind is calculated with a kestler wind meter at the bench and the use of wind flags down range tape on limbs works well
7tof time of flight is 1.395 sec at 1000 yds .874@700
hope this clears up any questions
Posted By: Ox190
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 04:02 AM
All I know is I could learn a whole bunch from a couple of hours at the range with you.
Posted By: JJH
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 04:12 AM
PM answered.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 11:07 AM
Hey Ox I was suprised to learn most of it is not at the range. Yes that is right it is mostly in the equipment and loading and reading conditions. If I were to take a shot like this I would have to set up in the morning, set up wind flags down range, measure it, set up a target, read the wind and conditions take a couple of shots just to be sure, go get the target put some corn out at the EXACT spot cause the deer cant move after we shoot go eat lunch and come back that afternoon. as you can see there would be a lot of prep work with benches spotting scopes wind meters rest bags,range finders etc.While I am from deep east texas I was not planning on puttin my ole 30 30 out the winder on the truck mirror and letten er rip til one of em falls. But I think that is the way it was precieved.
Posted By: wetduck
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 11:14 AM
no it was not percieved that way by most.
by your own data you are at 1/2 the min. enegry for reliable kills on whitetails.
the wound channel would be similar to shooting a feild point arrow. a smallish hole. with little or no blood trail and a deer that is capable of running a LONG way
by your own data you are at 1/2 the min. enegry for reliable kills on whitetails.
the wound channel would be similar to shooting a feild point arrow. a smallish hole. with little or no blood trail and a deer that is capable of running a LONG way
Posted By: BMD
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 11:21 AM
Give the guy a break, he obviously has proven he knows more than most, and is prolly more capable at that range than some of the people around here are at 100 yards let it go!
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 11:29 AM
I question your numbers. Would you think a .223 remington with a mv of 2700 fps and a 52 gr hollow point would be big enough for a whitetail at 100 yards like a ar 15 in 223 I think that is a popular cal and gun It has 615.2 ft pounds of energy at 100 yds the Dasher has 561.7 ft pounds of energy at 1000 yards by my calculations only slightly less and the have a very thin jacket as well as being a hollow point I think you would br suprised if you were to see what they do.
Posted By: HWY_MAN
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 11:35 AM
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But I think that is the way it was precieved.
My only concern is the caliber, the remaining energy, from your combination and that yardage is painfully low.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 11:42 AM
Again about the same as a 223 at 100 and we think nothing of that? I see it all the time.Take that 223 out to 150 and it has less than what we are talking about. Ever see A Guy with his 223 55gr fmj in a ar 15 going deer hunting. I see it all the time and they kill deer Not the most efficent gun but it is legal and people use it??
Posted By: wetduck
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 12:05 PM
actually no I dont agree with the223 for whitetails either.
but I am going to drop this as it seems as long as it is "legal" its right. good luck
but I am going to drop this as it seems as long as it is "legal" its right. good luck
Posted By: whby05
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 12:24 PM
legal or not or what ever, i thought this one was gonna get locked up for sure.......bdotson, nice gun! i learned a little thanks.....by the way i like a long shot too, but thats just to far for me.....
Posted By: Ox190
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 12:27 PM
I'd say try it on a coyote at 1000 just to see what kind of damage it would inflict. Plus if you wound a coyote not many people would get up in arms.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 12:36 PM
Dont think I have not tryed that.. You ever try to get a yote to stand still for 2 sec. or a pig. man they never stop moving and the yote is not as predictable as a deer hard to get a bench set up and wait for the yote to show up he will always be in the wrong spot,in the sun, no back stop, in front of the cows,and never stops moving, thats where the deer comes in much more predictable if you have a feeder set up or a cover crop but I dont think I would be intrested now
Posted By: Ox190
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 01:17 PM
Actually it's not that hard, shoot 4 or 5 rabbits slit them open and pile them up and set up an electronic rabbit distress call. Your shot would have to be early morning or late evening though. You wouldn't be shooting middle of the day.
Posted By: jeh7mmmag
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 02:31 PM
Bdotson,
Very interesting subject/discussion and a fine looking weapon. And you ballistic figures are right on, but is it possible to make this shot a clean kill? I admire your ambition and it is quite a feat to accomplish.
Lets look at 800yds shots.
Name: .243 Cal, Berger VLD, 105 grn
Ballistic Coeff: 0.565
Bullet Weight: 105
Velocity: 3050
Target Distance: 800
Scope Height: 1.500
Temperature: 70
Altitude: 2500
Range Elevation Velocity Energy ETA Drop 10mph Wind Deflect
800 yds 0.00 in 1955 fps 891 fpe 0.983 sec 161.89 in 34.60 in
From this standpoint it look like it is possible to make a kill if you are consistently on target at the backside if your bullet expands?
But factor in target movement and opportunity, Texas winds shifts over range, temperature and mirage, point blank range and MOA spread at 800yds make it a big gamble unless you can shot 0.125” MOA?
MOA of 0.125” x 8 = 8.00 inches. Can you shoot 0.125” MOA or better consistently to get it in the kill zone?
Can you consistently hit a pie plate at 800 yds?
I would agree with your thoughts and doubts, and I would have my doubts on taking this shot at this range also. Have you shot at this range to see if it is feasible to keep in the 8.00” kill zone? One little cup of coffee and a heartbeat can throw you off target. Good luck and keep up updated.
Very interesting subject/discussion and a fine looking weapon. And you ballistic figures are right on, but is it possible to make this shot a clean kill? I admire your ambition and it is quite a feat to accomplish.
Lets look at 800yds shots.
Name: .243 Cal, Berger VLD, 105 grn
Ballistic Coeff: 0.565
Bullet Weight: 105
Velocity: 3050
Target Distance: 800
Scope Height: 1.500
Temperature: 70
Altitude: 2500
Range Elevation Velocity Energy ETA Drop 10mph Wind Deflect
800 yds 0.00 in 1955 fps 891 fpe 0.983 sec 161.89 in 34.60 in
From this standpoint it look like it is possible to make a kill if you are consistently on target at the backside if your bullet expands?
But factor in target movement and opportunity, Texas winds shifts over range, temperature and mirage, point blank range and MOA spread at 800yds make it a big gamble unless you can shot 0.125” MOA?
MOA of 0.125” x 8 = 8.00 inches. Can you shoot 0.125” MOA or better consistently to get it in the kill zone?
Can you consistently hit a pie plate at 800 yds?
I would agree with your thoughts and doubts, and I would have my doubts on taking this shot at this range also. Have you shot at this range to see if it is feasible to keep in the 8.00” kill zone? One little cup of coffee and a heartbeat can throw you off target. Good luck and keep up updated.
Posted By: bdotson
Re: I want a long shot - 10/14/08 06:30 PM
jeh I see you too have done your homework. I hate to sound like I am boasting on the other hand I dont want to sound doubtful. Yes I can shoot .125 on a regular basis however this is not the way I figure MOA. 8 inch group at 800 yards would be 1 moa. .125 MOA would be 1 inch group at 800yds the way I figure it??? I noticed at the national benchrest 1000yard competition shot in sept there were several 6 inch groups shot with the lil 6mm these are 10 shot groups. WIND WIND WIND that is the big factor I shoot at distance on a regulat basis when it gets cool like now LOL
Posted By: croc
Re: I want a long shot - 10/15/08 01:32 AM
head shot will do it.still plenty of energy for that.
Posted By: djones
Re: I want a long shot - 10/15/08 02:31 AM
I think you would have a ball at a prarie dog town out here in West Texas. You could set up all the equipment you need and shoot all day long as far as you want.
Posted By: jeh7mmmag
Re: I want a long shot - 10/15/08 03:14 AM
Good catch.
My bad on the MOA and you are correct.
CRI setting in I guess?
First missteak I ever made. LOL
My bad on the MOA and you are correct.
CRI setting in I guess?
First missteak I ever made. LOL