Hows this????? Guess the score

Which ONE!!!!

His name should definitely be "sir splits a lot".

How cute......it looks like those deer have thier own little dog deer house.

Those deer look young... 3 1/2 years???

Pen raised bucks get huge... QUICK!!!

The one in the front looks like 195-203.

One in back 173-180.

hf?

Freaks! Interupting the natural way of nature all in the name of money. I know some of you see nothing wrong with this but what enjoyment can you possibly get from shooting a pen raised deer? I don't know, maybe its because I fool with cows all the time and I couln't shoot one of them unless it was hurt and suffering. Besides that there is no sport in shooting a pen raised deer IMHO. My2cents.

Barf

How about a low fence deer that rivals these, is he any more attractive?

LF is always more impressive!

holy droptines batman that one needs a carbon shaft!

Well said, im guessing that in the future HF ranches will over price themselfs and there will be no more raising deer. I would feel really bad rasing a animal and having another person pay me to "hunt it". An please no one tell me that its hard hunting high fence, you know the big bucks are on the property because you raised them, and also if you miss you know he isnt going anywhere.

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That's a bold-faced lie. There is a huge difference in between pen-raised deer and HF deer. HF deer are in no way any different than a LF deer. People need to see that HF's are put up for management purposes in most places, not to make a petting zoo.

KWood, let me say this please. I'm a land owner with a hunting ranch. We are LF free range and have been operating for many years. We have HF ranches all around us and there is not one of them in the business of management sir. They do it for the money.

No, they are not petting zoos but the deer are penned......for a reason I might add. Give you three guesses why! You called me a liar when you need to do your homework and look into why there are HF ranches. If you know one that is in the business for management.....its a rare find and....that no lie!

If you think they are in it for management reasons just ask them how much it would cost to shoot one. I think you'll change you mind. And to top it off, you are perfectly correct in there being a huge difference in the two types of ranches. One is purely for the sport and the other is purely for the bragging rights. I'll let you decide which one is which!

Allow me to add one other item. I don't think, IMHO, that I could tell my hunting buddies I really got a nice buck on a HF ranch. Theres just something there that doesn't fit! What some of us fail to see is that sellig hunting is a business. For me there is an ethical side to it. I tend to think after talking to the surrounding HF ranchers that they cater to the high-end clientel rather than the 9-5ers! Again, JMHO.

I completely understand what you're saying. Yes, they are selling the hunts, but it is for management. And I did not call you a liar. I know the difference in between breeding pens and natural native HF ranches, I've worked on one. I'm glad I did work on one, because it was nice to see how these deer are no different than a LF deer. They dont even know that they are penned.

My lie comment was faced to DSST when he said that those deer are easy to hunt. And deer will disappear after shot at. And there are even some deer that our complete ghosts on HF's too.

I see both side of the story,I have hunted highfenced ranches and honestly none of them were overly difficult to hunt on but you did have some deer that would spook and the biggest challenge we dealing with the weather and managment criteria.

On the other hand I was recently at a hunting camp listening to 2 guys talk about how they had been hunting at the....

"MOST EXCLUSIVE HIGH FENCED RANCH IN IOWA!!!!" and they went on and on about how big the deer were and BLAH BLAH BLAH

I met the guy who breeds deer for that "ranch" and they breed the deer in pens and raise them to 3yo and truck them to the hunting ranch in cattle trailers and release them to be shot in the next 2 years with cattle tags still in there ears!

Thats right these HF deer I am talking about are so hard to kill that when these guys arive at camp the guides have videos of each and every buck on this 1500ac place and have each buck named and the hunters sit at a table and they lay out a deck of cards and draw for who gets to shoot what.....because thats the only fair way they could think of was to draw cards.

These are the operations that give every one a bad name and I will go ahead and say that is not hunting that is simply puffing your chest out and saying "Look at what I can afford to kill"

To each their own but there is room in the hunting world for us all, I have hunted highfenced ranches but I still prefer big LF whitetails...

We had video of most deer, and they had names, but they get names so it's easier to talk about them. It's alot easier to say a deers name, than to say you know that one buck we always see over there with the split right G3, and etc.... And yes, to the hunter, these deer will probably be fairly easy to hunt, because someone is scouting them already and they know their patterns. These deer are still 100% wild though.

haters be hatin.... as usual.


wise [censored] comments like "penned".... apparently some people don't think it's fair if a deer is in high fence, but if there is one hunter every 32 acres, that's perfectly fine. which is more unfair? 200 hunters on 10,000 acres on low fence, or 10 hunters on 10,000 acres high fence? does a deer stand a better chance on one or the other?

I don't have a dog in this fight, but there is a slight flaw in your analogy...let's compare apples to apples. Which is more fair? 200 hunters on 10k acres LF or 200 hunters on 10k HF

Pretty sure the pressure on the LF is going to push most the deer off to the neighbors, where are the ones in the HF going to go

where will a deer go in a 10,000 acre HF? maybe they will go 4 or 5 miles away, since 10,000 acres is about 15 square miles....


it's different goals, which is fine... but if a group of people can go shoot every friggen deer that walks out in front of them, then people should be able to manage their property in exactly the opposite manner to get the best quality they can.

I hunt on 10k acres and can assure you that the deer would have a hard time hiding from 200 people and there would be very few left on my ranch if we tried it. Just saying a HF does keep that from happening.

I understand your argument about management practices on certain LF places, but IMO, using this example of a poorly managed hunt club isn't any different than the other folks using the HF equivalent, like a deer farm. Both are not the norm, they just come up alot in arguments because they show the extreme.

So if you shoot at a deer on the in a HF ranch and miss you dont think you will ever see the deer again? Right


Thats the problem with hunting these days, everything is about the money. From tv shows to people HF places where deer wont roam free. And please dont say well i hunted LF and the Deer stayed their whole life on my property, if that was the case you wouldnt have to HF the ranch. Yall dont know it but pretty soon everyone isnt going to be able to afford to hunt.

i agree with dsst.100%

You can always quickly tell the guys with a HF deer mount on their wall that they try to justify, or the HF manager/guide. I ask the HF guys one question. Would it be mean more to arrow a 170 class deer on a LF, or a HF and why?

It must be completed before the end of class. I also feel that Cool_Hand and txshntr took you to school. Kyle1974 go back to school.

Gentlemen, why does it always turn into a LH/HF argument every time someone posts pics of nice bucks? Some people like to hunt HF and some oppose it so lets just get on to the important matters - opening weekend starts in a few more days, yeah!!!

I think it's people trying to justify shooting 3 year old 120's year after year that it's the best their LF lease can produce, 'cause if they don't shoot them, the dad burn neighbors will shoot them! might as well pop another trophy that's immature and no where near it's full potential.... cause of the neighbors...


stupid HF hunters and their willingness to let deer get fully mature and have different goals than I do.

and these "pens" that are popping up everywhere.... I mean, I was driving through one of those deer pens this weekend... only 16,000 acres... like that's what the good Lord intended for a deer to only have a measly 16,000 acres to roam on...

I've got to go put some corn out on my 42 acre lease with the other 7 hunters on it this weekend. It's all fair chase up there. We only allow a blind every 50 feet so the deer aren't pressured too much, ya know.

In my opinion, it is easier to kill a deer on a HF ranch because you know they are there and it is easier to pattern them. Especially during rut when they are chasing does at the feeders. I actually don't think there is anything wrong with it because it generates revenue for the local economy for everything used and consumed on that ranch.

I personally can't afford to pay 15-30K to kill a monster in a HF but I am not against other hunters that have that disposible income and want to spend it on a big buck.

Here's a question... what about the hunters that travel to Manitoba to kill a huge Northern buck? Those aren't HF bucks but they sure cost a lot of money to kill. Is that the same as killing a huge buck down here in a HF?

HF hunting cost 15-30K?

I hope the landowner doesn't find out about that, he's missing out on a lot of money.

why is it that this asshat comment about "nice buck, is it HF"? only come up when talking about whitetails? 90% of the exotics you see killed here are taken in a HF ranch, but where are the questions about exotics? These ram hunts, where ranches buy rams, and kick them out on a 200 acre pasture don't get these questions...

personally, I could care less how people hunt. You do it your way, and I'll do it my way.

if I'm not "keepin' it realz" enough for you... oh well.

People like to make excuses that help them to feel better about their personal situation. If somebody can't afford a nice lease, they pretend that LF hunting is more difficult and thus more of an accomplishment to pad their bruised egos.

The absolute easiest hunt I ever go on is a LF property. And guess what? The deer act like pets every time that feeder goes off, just like they do on HF properties. They'll even come running if you rattle a corn bucket.

There's no difference unless the HF operation has inflated the population, which they don't typically do if they're trying to grow bigger bucks.

Beautiful deer in that pic, by the way.

Kyle1974, the reason there isn't any talk about exotics is because we've tried to stay on topic and that was about a pen raised deer. You may not like the word pen raised but the deer in the pic is a pen raised deer. You should be able to figure out why exotics are in HFs sir! If I had them on my place I'd have a HF too. Most people don't know the reason for a HF. Its not to keep deer in, its designed to keep deer out!

And to answer you statement about land owners finding out about hunting prices in a HF enviornment........as the old saying goes, we didn't just roll off the turnip wagon last night! Having a hunting ranch with an A-1 outfitter, I gaurantee hes up to date on hunting costs and charges and thus so is the landowner.

try to stay on topic my [censored].....

the topic was never pen raised deer. The topic was a photo of a nice deer, not for asshats to come out of the woodwork and start ASSuming what it was.

People like yourself hi jacked this thread to inject your personal opinions about different types of hunting.

Came out of the woodwork??? LMAO, man there must be a big bur under your saddle. I believe I was in the early conversation on this thread before you were! And I stayed on topic so where does hi-jacking come into play. I'm sorry if you can't see the photo as being a pen raised deer but the buck is plainly in a PEN, look at the picture. It's tame sir. Wake up!

220 on left and 185 on right. and i cant understand why everyone is arguing about this LF HF BS..we should be pushing for any type of sensable hunting and stay on tha same side.. if people wana pay crazy amount of money to shoot a deer then i say more power to them. i prefer hunting free range but deffinintly aint gona try and push my beliefs on someone who loves Deer genetics and HUNTING in general. Great pics man

it's a trail camera photo of a deer next to a feeder, next to a road. are you deer so WILD they jump at the trail camera shutter going off?

good lord... what a DA.

UH-OH Kyle, someone else used the phrase "pen raised". Is he also a thread hi-jacker? Musta come out of the woodwork, huh?

I agree, but I'm not the one whos calling names. Believe me I could care less what people hunt or how much they spend. I merely gave my opinion, and I believe thats what this forum is about, as to the pen raised buck in the photo.

LOL.... you're so good you can tell if a deer is tame by the way it looks one a trail camera photo...

once again... how are you so certain it's a "pen raised" deer?

Uhhh, I don't believe I'm the only one with that opinion.

I didn't ask your opinion, I asked how you know it's "pen raised", or are you saying IF it's a high fence ranch, it's "pen raised"?

Just out of curiousity... do you "disrupt nature" when you tame horses? Or is it just certain animals that you can pick and choose that can be manipulated in different ways?

Sir, with all due respect, everybodys opinion is here on the forum. I'm certainly not going to get into a flame throwing contest with you because I really don't think you have a firm grasp about this thread. Lets just agree to disagree and you hunt your way and I'll run my hunting place the way its always been run with good success. Have a great day!

Ditto.

I have a hard time thinking "whoa thats a huge deer!!!" when it comes to HF. Arent they supposed to be big?

A person posted a photo of a deer, saying "look at these deer". The original poster didn't ask anyone's opinion about where the deer were raised, or if they were HF or LF deer. You hi jacked the post with your "anti nature" opinion and derailed the thread.

I don't think you have a good grasp on mnay things, hypocrisy being at the top of the list.

LOL more like anti-farmed animals...

Now sir, you are insulting what little intelligence I have. Are you serious about disrupting nature when you tame a horse? Where is your sense of learning? A horse is a beast of burden like other like animals such as the mule, oxen, ....come on Kyle. Can you ride a deer? How stupid does that sound? A deer is a wild animal or is this too hard for you to figure out? I believe someone in an earlier said "go back to school". I'm done...this is a worthless conversation and I'm sorry I ever indulged in it.

So just out of curiosity.....when you sell these cull hunts you are advertising on your ranch, is that disrupting nature or changing genetics? Why would you use an agricultural term like "cull" to classify a deer hunt? I don't think the good Lord intended us to call his creations "cull" animals...unless maybe you're referring to a beast of burden that needs to be put out of it's misery.



Or perhaps if you happen to be profiting by selectively culling deer.

Well this got interesting.

your turn Benny!!!! LMBO!!!!!!!! hold up while I go get me another beer, OK?

Sorry guys and gals, I tried to be halfway nice but it didn't work!! I just can't be half way nice!!

This is the first thing he had said that made any sense!! I think hes catching on! See below.

Or perhaps if you happen to be profiting by selectively culling deer.{quote}

Let's lay this out so it makes sense to some of the people that seem to forget what they say...







http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2540548/Cull_Buck_Hunt#Post2540548


so apparently, managing for trophy deer in a high fence is disrupting nature, but selling cull buck hunts is OK... as long as you're "disrupting nature" in the way that you see fit, and you live in the magical hypocritical world that cool hand lives in.

Maybe your issue with HF is that when you lease your land to an outfitter like you've done, neighboring HF ranches limit the number of deer that move through your small place, and in effect, limits the amount of deer hunts that you can sell.

This guy must think hes a fortune teller. You have a PM sir if you care to read it. Its the little red flag flashing located beside the my stuff icon. Where did you see where I said anything about cull hunts? BTW, most or all LF ranches have culls if you don't know. Bone up on your knowledge and you'll find that culling is a common practice to manage buck to doe ratio, probably something else you didn't know. Also doe thinning is another management tool you probably know nothing of.

Let me ask you sir, how do you manage the deer on your 42 acres?? With seven hunters on that small parcel of land how is your tags filled? I would like to see where your feeders are placed. I would bet you are in violation of feeder placement....you did know there is a law in Texas about how far a feeder can be from a fence line don't you? And on top of that there is a law about a shot crossing a fence line. You are in no position calling someones elses place small. You might be suprised at the size of mine. There are a few THFers that have been to my place on an ocassion. Go back to scool.

What is wrong with my definition of a cull buck? If yours is different I'd like to hear it!

I would love to see this law you speak of!!

I am well aware that a bullet cant cross a property line but if there is a law about feeder placement around property lines that would be news to me.

Care to post a link to this Texas Law? I am sure there are lot of folks on here that would love for you to share this with us. Sure been lots of threads on it in the last year that I have seen and no one ever has had a link for this. I am always willing to be schooled.

I apologize, after looking at TPWD rules, there is no regulation on placement of feeders. It was someting I was told and believed it to be true. My mistake. Rule is below.

What can I do to keep neighboring hunters, feeders, and blinds away from my fence?

As long as the neighboring hunters have permission to hunt the property on their side of the fence, they can place blinds and feeders anywhere on their side of the fence. However, they may not shoot at or kill anything on your side of the fence and they may not enter your property for any reason without your permission

Schools over and thought I was gonna learn something I could actually use from the thread

HF wt's are actually cheeper per inch then LF.

to the OP Beautiful deer, hope to see more pics at 6.5.

How so?

yeah, you're right...I don't know anything about deer. I bet I could learn a lot from folks like you about how to grow big deer if I'd only listen!

Truely spoken! You never did answer my questions about your 42 acres!

What year was sarcasm invented?

I don't know but you learned that very well. Again, your 42 acres, huh?

Check mate!

Do you guys like or dislike HF ranches? I don't like them because only the best and most skilled hunters get to hunt on them. Seems elitist.

I don't like them because they are out to make money from their hunting and the LF guys just give their hunts away for free. Neither one seem to require much skill just a corn feeder or oats patch

I hunt both, so I'm basically like a ninja of whitetails.

Stx, that's absolutely not true. We kill most of our deer over tinks 69 and C'Mere deer.

The high fences anger me because they turn wild deer into tame pets that will wrap their lips around the barrel and pull the trigger for you. And because the best hunters get to hunt them.

Great point. People that own and lease their LF land out are basically like the Robin Hood of hunting. Wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if they heroically rescued deer from their HF captors.

I will have to try those. You using them on the HF or LF deer? I am into Buck Crack and Indian Corn now.

It realy doesnt matter.Duck hunters are the only REAL hunters that are left.

















Just a joke before somebody jumps my azz....Just a joke.

Not they don't. You simply use a hammer and hit them between the eyes. Heck the become dumb once the fence goes up.

Ballpeen or claw?I think claw has a higher kill-ratio.

High fences seem unfair. I'm not sure if it's some sort of magnetic pull that I can't see, but once you put one up, deer automatically grow enormous antlers with close to zero effort from the landowner. That fence sucks the antlers right out of the deer's head.

Very frustrating to watch as someone without the use of magic or whatever it is they put in those fences.

Hellllllllll-oooooooooooo??? Anyone into a little something I like to call, "fairness" anymore?

Sledge like the one in they used to use in slaughter houses. It has a little more reach for those skitish ones

I know it has nothing to do with age or getting shot when they jump the fence. Just mention HF fence and deer just

you guys still kill your deer?

we have them trained to committ suicide..... killing is so messy and so last year.

No. My deer are like pets. They just stand really still where I teach them to stand in my ranch house, safely protected by the impervious HF I have surrounding my own personal zoo.

do you worry about them scratching themselves on the fence? we polished all the rough edges on the wire last weekend to make sure they don't get any ouchies.

but on 42 acres of high fence, it doesn't take all that long.

Another thing that really annoys me is that once inside of a HF, hunters become like Jason in Friday the 13th in that no matter where the deer runs, they can't escape. The hunter is 1 step ahead of them.

Dart into the brush? Oops, bad choice. You head is now lopped off with a machete.

Take off down a sendero, run for 700 yards zig-zagging like a jackrabbit? One step ahead of you, pal.

Catch my scent and bust me? Well where exactly do you think you're going to hide in just 7500 acres of dense forest? Just give up - there's nowhere to escape.

Very frustrating to those of us that believe in fair chase.

No, they quit doing that a couple of years ago and I started just honking the horn and shaking a sack of corn and having them jump on the trailer. Then I take them straight to the game processor. Taxidermist meets me there and I get a volume discount on processing and taxi work. Much easier to skin when they are still warm since I started hauling them I was told.

exactly.... just look at this one... and the HF had only been up for 2 weeks.


[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhYRF2nYA[/video]

It's the fence I tell ya. Those deer just become naturally dumb when they are in a HF.

That was a lucky catch in that new HF but it is a dang shame that buck ain't got no tine or mass. He would be a decent buck if he had it.

yall got me lmao reading this post.

Well there's nothing funny about HF hunting.

As a hunter you have to decide what you stand for:

Goodness?

Or badness?

I wanna be good.

No HFs.

STX, you should see his daddy.


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Triple drops


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Well I hope he has more tine length and mass than that puney azzed excuse of a son he has.

Picky SOB!

Well if you would knock those drops off and add them to tine length and mass he would be a pretty good buck then. How's that then?

He's got enough mass. Just skinny tines.

You know what that means don't you?

No deer penis jokes!

It just means has skinny tines.

Nice bucks. However they came to be on this earth.

Drop tines just represent retarded deer that dont know which way thier tines are suppose to grow. Since there are so many high fence deer with drops I am only left to believe that HF deer are retarded.

No, no JCB they just get dumb the instant you mention HF nothing to do with being a retard at all. But if it was the cause of droptines then how do those LF deer get them? I am thinking more like a STD

The LF deer with drops are the ones that jumped the HF and got out. Sadly you can take the HF deer out of the HF but you cant take the retard out of that deer. Extensive studies have been done on it and they prove thats just the way it is.

I dont think HF deer can get STD's anyway since the semen is extracted from the bucks and the human takes the straw of semen and impregnates the doe. Thats the way all high fence operations work. You of all people ought to know that!

But I can't teach them deer to read so they can be up on these "extensive studies" and avoid these problems. Remember they get dumb the instant they hear the word fence. So you are saying these HF deer are retards, so I guess the apple does not fall to far from the tree since the sires and dams were LF at some time.

I know I missed alot today, but I sure didn't see this post going in this direction

we stopped killing our deer. we just feed them a sedative and skin off a shoulder mount and take the horns, they grow a new hide and horns every year. of coarse we have 2 illegal aliens straight from Mexico do all the skinning and lifting. we don't want blood from a high fence on our hands. ........someone bring me another Beer....

are your illegals HF or LF?

some of each. I hate to do thing wrong......

Well guys all this argueing over HF or LF, its about having a goodtime, comraderie, making memories, the smells and sights, in short ENRICHING YOUR LIFE AND THOSE YOU CARE ABOUT. I'm new to hunting, only being out 4 years 3 months, this year I drew nothing, but my hunting partner and myself will get out where and when we can because we love it. I have yet to take my first deer, even though I've hunted over 300days (not including pigs, turkey and whatever else) in those 4 years, whether HF or LF if its not about the fore mentioned your missing it and should give yourself a good looking over. Thats just how I see it and if my attitude ever changes I will hang it up if I can't check myself.

May we all have the best season ever,