3 were from an old doe and she had 4... took the life out of her but she managed to get 3 of them colastrum before she kicked it. The others were twins on a doe that got mastitis and had to pull them off her when she got fever to let her dry up... went better than it could have but it was a rough year on keeping them healthy cuz of so much rain and then bad heat... they bee doing well after a full weekend of cleaning the pen, vaccinations, working and hove trimming.. that and it's really dry now