public land deer pics.....warden involvement

What ever became of this......the topic is locked down now!

Poor Fred... All proud of his public land deer. Nothing like shooting an illegal buck and then posting it up on the internet for the world to see.

Hunting license $56
Blaze orange beenie $15
Shells $21
Gas to get to public land $37

Shooting an illegal deer, posting it on the internet, and then getting busted by the local game warden...PRICELESS.

Thats why you read the book and follow the laws. just sayin...Fred learned a very expensive lesson. I mean the hunting manual is FREE.

Enlighten us as to what law it is that he broke.

Antler Restrictions.

I didnt think that buck was 14in. like he said!

dfinitely was not 13".

where is this post? Is it still on here?
if so can someone post the link. I would like to see this.

Yea he said 14" but there is no way that deer made it! Then put it on a public forum... Oops

Nevermind guys i found it! WOW!!!! That gave me the chills when i saw the game warden comment and my name isnt even fred.

dang, I guess I missed that one.

Me too : (

Page 7 in the photos

c'mon, post the link to the thread for us... (I tried to search, but haven't found it yet...)

Yeah, just found it too.......sux to be him right now

http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/u...uck#Post1079081

found it...

Wow, I knew what was going to happen, and I still nearly crapped myself when I read the warden's post...

That is funny right there....funny that now the pics of the buck are gone!!!

yup... he messed up. That is going to be an expensive trip...

Dito on chills,and thats with 3 steroid shots to spine this am,,He may have to replace that broken over lapped taped ruler,, Thats difficulty with ar,,Even had tpw assistance at location attempt,, doesent sound intentional.. and he didnt brush it in,, Id venture thousands were,,

I really dont think this man knew the rules. I cant see a man that did calling for the game wardens assistance and then posting that on the forum for the world to see. I think he was very excited. Its kinda sad but its his own fault for not knowing before you make that kinda call and pulling the trigger on a illegal animal. Even though he did break the law and got caught, i hope they dont completely nail him to the wall.

I wonder if he called him?

hope so

I didnt read all of the original post but didnt the warden say he was helping the night before on an animal that he had missed? Sounds like he shot the one in question the next day??? I may have it screwed up though...

I would completely agree with you, EXCEPT for the fact that he claimed the buck was 14" inside.....which makes me believe he knew the law and was lying about the width. That's why I made my comment on the thread.

You may be right. I read it as the deer he posted is the deer they couldnt find. I may be wrong too. If you are right then yes he should get everything he has coming to him. Actually, he should get everything he has coming anyways. He screwed up and it time to pay. Lesson learned and i bet he will make dang sure next time wont he? If he gets a next time.

I'd say if he didn't call the warden within about 48 hours, he got a house call...

How many folks have shot a buck been proud enough to post pics on the net and not put a "real" tape to the spread???

I agree.. This is why i couldnt be a game warden.... I would always want to give folks the benefit of the doubt. But i guess you learn to see right though poeple.

Wow, that's going to be fun to follow. How did I miss that one.

I'd love to see the pics

Oh, and AR's suck by the way, they just happen to be the current regulation

The GW should post pics and leave them posted so we could all know what an illeagal buck looks like. Not saying anything about any pics, I didn't get to see them.

I'm guilty of that on pics that get emailed out. I didn't know squat about the last one I shot for several months.

Me too!!!

Lessons to be learned:

1. Know the rules
2. Follow the rules
3. When in doubt, err on the side of caution
4. If you break the rules, even inadvertently, DO NOT publicize the fact
5. Any and everything you post on the Internet is now open knowledge for the whole world*

*there are a lot of high school and college age kids that are about to find that one out the hard way when they start interviewing for jobs

I'm curious who called the game warden, or was he surfing the forum and happened across it?

that is a very good question. I would bet that the GW uses sites like this as a really good resource. I dont know for sure but im just saying

There are wardens that log on from time to time, probally one of them tipped the warden in that county to this illegal deer. I noticed the warden had 3 posts I think.

Just saying

I know there are wardens that log in periodically, and this isn't the first incident I've heard of involving a posted picture. I completely agree that if you post a picture of an illegally harvested animal, you're an idiot. I just thought it was a bit convenient that the GW happened across that post by chance.

[quote=moderno]There are wardens that log on from time to time, probally one of them tipped the warden in that county to this illegal deer. I noticed the warden had 3 posts I think.

Just saying[/quote

He had 1 post! HAHA! now tell me why he got on here!
Pretty powerful guy for a Greenhorn huh?

I have stated on here, many times that we have GW's that monitor the forum all the time, I have talked with several times and will continue. So if some one post a violation, most likely you will get a visit.

I think it was a hoax. I think someone just signed up and pretended like they were a game warden to get the guy's goat. I mean really, a GW is going to "ask" the guy to call him? I figured they could find out who the guy was a different way and it sure is an aweful big coincidence that the warden was on here almost immediately. I may be wrong, but something smells fishy...

Can't fix stupid

Operation game thief in action. Then again may be regular,who actualy participates, Like the kaufman gw bow shooter,with multi pointer,

I dont. impersonating a officer of the law will get you in more trouble that its worth. Do me a favor and call that number just to be sure. Let us know.

WOW!! that is a huge mistake to make. That sucks. But it is really funny at the same time...

I wonder why someone took the option of replying to that off...

He knew. I remember looking at the pics, there were 3 if I'm not mistaken, in one pic he was holding the head up by the ears rather than the horns with the ears folded back, in another he had one of the deer's ears pressed flat against his leg and the other ear was folded back, and then in the 3rd he had both the ears pushed back. I think maybe he was hoping without being able to use the ears as reference he would look close enough, but that deer wasn't 13'' much less 14''.

I checked the DFW website and he is legit all the way. just do a google search for his name. I guess somebody could be impersonating him, but the fact that he knew who he was and had helped look for a deer the night before says a bit more.

This kind of reminds me of those stpid highschool kids that mess stuff up while videotaping it and then their mom finds it.

I'm with d.g.ruff on this one. I find it highly unlikely a GW would make a post like that on a public forum like this. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure a law enforcement officer would contact the administrator of the site to try to find out the guy's identity or take some other action to contact him.

I THINK THE GUY MOUNT THE DEER

Well it is a TPWD number:
College Station
12845 Wellborn Road
Suite160
College Station, TX 77845
(979) 696-4148

Who knows. There was an incident earlier this year on the Texas Tech football boards where someone was claiming to be a Sheriff. It turned out to be a pretty big deal when it was discovered the guy was impersonating a law officer. Just makes me wonder if this isnt a similiar situation

They put ALL of the RULES in a Book.. All you have to do is read them!

Oh yeah, I got a ring and no answer...

state employees aren't getting overtime.

I really raised a brow when those pics first showed up. Anyway, wonder if Fred will ever post here again. I am going with NOT. People make some awful stupid decisions when they go out deer hunting. I have seen it over and over.

A guy posted that his son shot one under 13 and asked what to do. He said the processor wouldn't touch it. I told him to take it down to avoid being beat down I never thought a warden would see it!! Man, that guy owes me a beer

did you atleast tell him to skin it himself and split the skull, then mount it to a plaque at the recommended 13.25"?

No I kinda thought it was a joke.....as it turns out I guess not. He hasn't posted since.

Looks like he takes your advice for good.

wow, I guess I will never get some people.

Felt bad for his kid! He said it was his first deer and they yelled at him when they backed in. If it was just some tool who shot a young deer that's one thing but a kids first deer man that's just sad.

Still waiting on that beer!

yeah, hate that for a youngun. My main thing is posting it for the world to see.

No doubt they could track his IP address and locate him but I think the GW was giving him an opportunity to make things right by calling him before he just showed up at his house/place of business, possibly costing him more than just the price of the ticket. Fred screwed the pooch, now it's time to pay the piper. C'mon Fred!!!

I'm confused. "Fred" shot this buck on Monday morning and the game warden helped him track the deer the night before?

Fred
"...Sunday evening my nephew spooked this buck and a doe that was running like a bat out of hell past my blind. never even saw me. Monday morning comes and he shows up 45 yards to my left, he stops! well the rest is history. he took off the same way he came out and crashed 30 yards behind my blind in the thicket. He got up and ran 20 more yards and curled up on the trail behind my stand."

Game Warden

"This is State Game Warden Russell Murden. I am the one who helped you look for blood the night before on the deer you shot at on unit 607. Please call my office regarding the buck pictured here. I appreciate your cooperation."

Something isn't adding up

Did Fred shoot at a deer the night before and missed?Wounded? He didn't state anything in the post about another deer?

Weird!

I can personally attest that 1. Game wardens look at this site regularly. 2. people on here report questionalbe activity to game wardens, without knowing if the story is the truth.

I got in a bit of trouble a few years back. I made a mistake, and I had to pay the price for it, although I did not know at the time I made a mistake. Someone on here pointed out my mistake, and before I had a chance to correct it myself, the local GW tracked me down.

cost me over 1000$ in the end, and my kids their Christmas.

I learned more than 1 valuable lesson... read the book cover to cover. know EVERY rule and regulation that applies to you. if something is questionable (like the deer shot by Fred) DO NOT SHOOT IT. not worth it. second thing i learned is that there are many people on this website that evidently have NEVER made an honest mistake before, and look for other people's mistakes to point out to the law.

yep, bunch of internet Barney Fife's around here.

but, Fred is a dumbarse.

I think in this case the state's going to be "mounting" him, if you catch my drift...

Can he be convicted from a picture? What if the antlers are no longer around? If that is the case, anyone can make any kind of statement they want on here and if they said you broke a law, the GW may be looking for you.

BenBob - There's obviously still the "innocent until proven guilty" law if he decides to challenge it, but he's going to have to go under oath against a mountain of evidence and claim he didn't kill a buck he had previously posted a picture of himself holding.

You're best to just lick your wounds, pay your fine and move on. If it was me, I'd prefer not to add perjury to the list.

Good catch. Although I think the pictures (I didn't see them) may be incriminating him. The GW may see the pictures, then use that as probable cause to look for more evience. If Fred kept them in his camera/memory stick/computer, I imagine that's strong evidence.

I think he was trying to say "last night" but worded it as "the night before."

Cameron00 - I was just wondering. Sorry to wrinkle your drawers. OBVIOUSLY I would probably not want to drag it out either. I was just wondering if a picture on the internet that could have been posted by anyone is enough to start an investigation.

Nope he is!

I also think something is fishy with the GW. If he helped him track it he should have caught that it was illegal then not after some posts on the internet. I don't think he would help find a blood trial then not stay till the deer was found.

I called the number...it's an out of service Bank of America number...

Never mind...it's real...

The Game Warden IS an current employee commissioned game warden with TPWD. Nothing fishy, he's doing his job.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/warden/find_warden/r9d1.phtml

I definitely believe that Game Wardens look at online forums for violations.

I read an article once that followed a game warden for a couple of days (I think it was in the TPWD Handbook a couple years back).

The first thing the warden did every morning was look through online forums to "patrol" for violations.

I can't find a link to the article.

The absolutely look at forums. I bet some of the GWs are on this site more then many of us. oh no the secrets out!

Yeah..youre a fool if you don't think they watch this forum like a hawk. Pearland just signed a written confession and provided his own photos...poor dumb bastage. I'll be we see a major decline in the photos section from the AR counties...

I don't doubt GW's are on here often looking around, but what I don't understand is why he was not busted when he shot it if the GW was there.

anybody have a pic of this deer? I would be interested to see it

Not only can you be investigated, you can also be convicted.

There was a newspaper article a couple of years ago about some guy in Oregon that hit a spotted owl with his truck. The bird was stuck in the grill and he peeled it off and then stupidly took some pics of himself holding it like some sort of trophy. He got into all kinds of trouble from the feds over that.

I don't know if it would be cost effective, as I don't know what the fine is for violating ARs, but a good attorney could probably get some of the forum evidence thrown out. I don't know the veracity of these claims, but I've heard complaints from the LEO side of it that many city DAs won't bother prosecuting this kind of stuff. They'll cut a quick deal and move on, don't consider it important. I'd tell the guy to shut his mouth immediately and go get an attorney.

My guess is Fred or his nephew wounded a deer the evening before and the GW helped track it. They may or may not have recovered that one. Then Fred shot the buck in question the next morning.

Some dude on the Refuge Forum did something similar with an owl I believe.

Even if you threw out all of the forum evidence, Fred would still have to lie under oath to get off. He'd also have to convince the guy (I believe it was his son) to lie under oath as well. I don't think it'd be worth the risk.

It all boils down to even though there is pics of the buck, pictures can not be measured. The only way the warden has a leg to stand on is if he sees the real horns. All fred has to do is cut the horns from the skull plate, to make rattling horns of course, and there is no way for definate proof in my book. It is not illegal until the warden or official puts a tape to the actual horns!

This was basically what I was trying to say. The Tool Pusher just has a better command of the English language than I do.

I'd be like HAHAHAHA just playing with ya'll!!!! I shot that deer 8 years ago in Jones county. And no sir I cannot seem to find the horns. I think I gave those away in a garage sale a few years back. If you have any further questions here is my lawyers number.

And further advise him that it was nice to meet him the other night and that I did shoot a deer but I gave those horns to a drifter who said he was from Cali or Canada I cannot remember.

Those are the stories I get.

Illegal/unethical behavior piled upon illegal/unethical behavior...

i agree with that....

I think enough has been said regarding this.