gary schwarz of tecomate fame

While doing a google search on Mr. Swartz's new hunting ranch I ran across some posts related to his indictment for medicaid fraud back in 2010. There were a number of ugly comments and I thought it was only right to point out that Mr. Schwarz was found not guilty.

Mr. Schwartz is one of the nicest and most honest men I have had the privilege to have been around. I have hunted on his ranch numerous times in the past and have found him to be exactly the way he is on his tv show. He does not change his character based upon the setting. He deserves better than to have his name drug thru the mud without retractions being made. His has done more for the future of deer management than many, and deserves credit. I for one support Mr. Schwarz and owe him dearly for all the management advice he has given me thru the years. At no cost I might add. Thanks Gary, and I am truly sorry that so many people are so quick to judge, and so slow to forgive.

There are more skeletons in the closet other than that one time.

.............and

Gary is a thief and got caught

This is not going to end well........

Found Not guilty via the law for this instance

Heck of a first post. Maybe if you had been around here longer and had some credit behind your name then people might listen a little.

Where this is smoke......

It does appear that not everyone shares my respect for Mr. Schwarz. However, after knowing the man personally for many years I tend to trust him. Honestly, I was not expecting to incite the responses that have occurred. Either they know something I don't, or they have some other reason for feeling the way they do.

Due process. ..and the law ruled.

Those are facts

$2400 isn't a federal offense I guess.....(or can be pawned off on poor staff)

He is not Mr. Schwartz but Dr Schwartz. He has long held that
Honorific title as a member of the Dental Profession. I enjoyed
his shows but cannot condone his participation in the Medicade
fraud. Texas is spending thousands of both State and Federal dollars on these programs because there is absolutely no over sight on how the funds are being spent. JEM

Says the high fence hunter. Weak.

High fence hunting is the adult equivalent to the cool kids club

Aww geez...

We're revisiting this again?

Never did have much use for people who thought they were "cool"!

Says the man who has not a clue. Weaker.

What a trainwreck of a thread.

Not sure what high fences have to do with Medicare fraud?

You got to get the money for all that fence somewhere. Plus them ear tags and straws of 400 inch buck semen are expensive.

Not me......

Besides, isn't the tecomate a low fence ranch?

I do recall he had some pretty nice looking daughters, did you know this hunter7 ?

Seriously? So being a doctor(MD)makes you a above others? What Hogwash! He's just a man nothing more or less!

I'm trying to figure out how we can work ARs, deer hunting with a .223, gun control and religion into this thread.

Forget the 223, what this thread needs is some hunting stories with a


+++++++++++P+++++++++++ 22 Hornet

MMM HMMM!

Medicare/mediaid..what ever. Courts ruled.

Any thing else pertaining to a gulity verdict to the above mention case could be considered slander, so just becareful. We all have opinions, but expressing them on the internet isn't always smart.

I'm a " where there is smoke their is fire kind of guy", but I'm also believe in our court system.

He is a public figure that just happened to be associated with the others that were indicted, he also brought the notoriety to the case. The DOJ wants maximum exposure for case so they get the most voluntary compliance. You can bet there was a lot of other Dental professionals that checked their records and some probably cleaned up a few "mistakes" because of the publicity.

I have read several times that Gary's Tecomate ranch and the neighboring El Cazador Ranch shared a perimeter high-fence but kept the fence low between them so they could qualify as low fence for contests, etc. and to promote the Tecomate Management System as, "Look what it has done on our 'free-range' place..."

Anyone actually know the truth to this? If it is the case, that is certainly a case of deception that I am not fond of. Why not call a spade a spade and be proud of what you have accomplished???

Surely that doesn't work? I don't think that would meet B&C's definition of fair chase.

Actually I've heard rumors that will let them qualify as the ranch they are shot on is not completely high fenced. I have no idea how true that is I'm interested to see some of the guys who actually know answer this

Stxranchman seems to know quite a bit about the ranches in that part of the world. Maybe he will chime in with some insight...

You left out tattoos and pit bulls!

and mama and trains

Yes sir, you are correct on that one.

Yes sir. However, it seems some want to destroy his character for some reason.

or trucks, prison or getting drunk....

I was drunk, the day my maw got out of church on communion Sunday......

because everybody knows its easier to shoot the elderly in a HF....DUH

Bill will be along shortly to sort out this hijacking nonsense.

While we are on the subject, what's for supper?

He has his hands full in the Off Topic forum. Someone hijacked his thread on hijacking!

It's okay to hijack a thread that's already been hijacked, right?

Would that be lojacking?

Sorry, never been a fan of him or the show. His antics and excitement to me seem overly contrived..When they had Josh Hamilton on there I thought he was going to tackle Josh, which may have actually been funny come to think of it.

Thief - despite what law said.

When Jesus comes back he's gonna host a baptists only hunt at the tecomate ranch. When the guests show up our lord will present them with an unregistered assault rifle in .223 so that they can go forth and hunt

Bill mahr will weep

Wow...I learned a lot from reading this thread. Never was a fan of the show but holy crap can dirt fly fast on the internet and reputations be trampled on.

yep.

on another forum there was a thread about Bill Jordans kid and it was 3 pages of calling him a spoiled daddy's boy who didn't know anything about hunting, work or girls and none of them have ever even met the guy.


the amount of haters online is incredible.

ear tags are cheap.

I'm not a fan of fake tits. There, I said it.

Has nothing to do with OP, but I felt like I needed to throw something controversial out there.

You can leave now. It's apparent there is something wrong with you. Next your gonna tell us you don't like muscle cars or cold beer or Labradors.

cameron,
I got news for you. If you can hold 'em, play with 'em, bounce 'em in your hand, they're real enough for me.

since this deosnt seem to be going anywhere i would like to explore this....

i was once corrected by a secretary when during general conversation with her i referred to her boss as "Mr. So-and-So," she was very quick to inform me that what i think i meant to say was "Dr. So-and-SO." i was in a hurry and ignored her but after seeing the above i post i see that this may be a well known little slice of life that i havent been exposed to.

so, all ye doctors, sorry, Doctors, are you offended when someone calls you "Mr.?" if so, that is absolutely hilarious to me.

and one of the first bucks i remember falling in love with was "Heart Attack" when he was on the tecomate advertisements. beautiful buck.

You motor-boatin' son of a gun, you. You old sailor!

That Dr stuff bugs me too. I was talking to a Dr once and called him Mr and he actually corrected me and said "call me Dr". I said why should I do that? When I'm talking to my mechanic I don't call him Mechanic. He got pretty upset that I refused to call him Dr. Oh well, I don't get it. Another good friend of mine is an ER Doctor. Nicest guy I know and he has never even called himself Dr. Most of us just call him by his last name.

I have a habit of calling medical doctors Dr., vets and dentist, Doc.

Me too, except with dentists it's "ahole".

I can understand that a doctor wants to be called Dr. Once you earn your doctorate you are no longer Mr. or Mrs. X, you are Dr.

A mechanic is not an earned title.

I get agitated when people refer to me as a realtor. I'm not a realtor I am a real estate broker.

World of difference there

Calling a medical doctor, dentist, vets, etc "doctor" is traditional job title kinda thing and not my issue (unless they insist on it).
For all the rest the "doctor" thing is all ego; the "I've earned it and you have to respect it" mind set. Like a doctorate degree in bat guano earns you a title? Sorry, I'm calling on that.

My wife has a doctorate, I don't call her Dr. I call her WOMAN, OL' LADY, WIFE, SPOUSE, and other things sometimes but never Dr.

Half the problem to day.

I address men as Sir , I address my father-in law as Sir or Mr..... you address your parents with mom or dad not their first name


People should address others with with formal titles unless told otherwise by them.

I can't stand my sister in-law she thinks its ok for her kids to address their grand parents by their first name.

Don't like the Dr, or your honor, or Col. Titles Then become one

Show of respect is not my issue. Using formal titles, Mr, Mrs, etc is something I have and always will do that unless asked to do otherwise ... that is MY choice. Someone telling me I HAVE to call them something because of the amount of college credits they have? That is a different story.

In that case I think I'm gonna have to ask you'all to refer to me as "Your Excellency" in all posts going forward. But to keep with the informal nature of this forum, bow and curtsy requirements will be relaxed.

I don't have a problem with using Dr. when I'm dealing with them in their field or socially but I have a big problem when they are working outside their field. Being a Dr. of Dentistry has absolutely nothing to do with managing wildlife. Using the term Dr., in a field unrelated to your expertise, is fraudulent IMHO.

Is ADD a disease or self inflicted?

So, Old Fart would be out of line instead Your Excellency?

We can't sat fart anymore it's a bodily function, member.....

Lol. Mechanic is not an earned title but you get upset between realtor and broker. Your showing your born with a silver spoon colors on that one!

I always thought realtor and real estate broker when one in the same....sorta like used car salesman, only he is driving the car but still full of ...

I have had the pleasure of sitting in a blind on the San Roman, and the neighboring El Cazador, to the best of my knowledge, was high fenced. There are also several areas inside the San Roman that are double high fenced.

Didnt gary do time in the pen?

Apparently you were not in the military. You don't have to respect the man, just the title.

I couldn't stand officers that lived to be saluted, but the ones that said thank you I respected them and their accomplishments more.

a broker is an earned title. Its the highest level you can get to in real estate.

and I don't know what spoon your referring too

Lol. Mechanics can earn the highest level of certification as well. You not knowing that means your parents probably had money and yall look down on mechanics. Maybe im wrong?

Or I should say the profession of mechanics, not the mechanics themselves.

I don't look down on mechanics at all. Where did you get that from?

But your statement said "mechanics can earn the high level of certification as well"

The key word is can. A mechanic can be certified, but he cannot be certified and still be called a mechanic regardless of ASE certifications.

A Dr. Cannot be called a doctor unless he has his doctorate. A broker cannot be called a broker without his brokers license.

Huh! A certified mechanic cant be called a mechanic anymore?

As an officer, I'm seldom called by my title. Usually I'm called some sort of foul and derogatory word that is seeded deep in hatred and anger.

You sir I have met and I respect you and your profession.

I earned a BS degree in college call me

And what does financial status of ones parents have to do with knowing the ins and outs of the mechanics trade?

You don't know jack squat about real estate brokerage but that is because your not in the business, not because you parents were rich or poor

OMG! There's 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I'm such an idiot. Yes, that is a formal title. Please refer to me going forward as "The Idiot".

exactly!

I couldn't care less how long someone attended school, nor how many letters are behind their name. That doesn't demand respect...who you are as a person earns/demands respect or the lack thereof

I'm a master at that

Interesting show of personalities in this thread.

This has been an interesting thread. It's all over the place, but that's OK.

We have learned that you guilty even when proven innocent, doctors don't deserve to have Dr. In front of their name and if you don't know the different levels of mechanic certification your parents must have been rich

I think Barbers need a special title for being able to use a straight razor.

They do.....they are called barbers. You have to be certified to use it on someone

Thanks Booner. You're pretty alright yourself.

If someone has earned any rank in the military and wants to be called by their rank I will call them that. I don't care if the rank they earned was Private or General, if that is what they prefer to be called, then I will.

Same with a Doctor, they earned that title, and I will call them by it.

They just did that to cut down on women holding a straight blade to men's throats..

hmmmm, never met a woman barber. Hair stylists yes, but never a woman barber.

I guess that's because men go to barber college and women go to cosmetology school

Laughing, laughing...Screaming, always screaming.

I just wonder if Gary likes beans in his chili?

the time i was corrected by a secretary i didnt even know the guy was a Dr. when i referred to him, but she let me know very quick that he was.

its not about being "deserved" or "earned," it was the fact that "Mr." wasnt good enough, in my instance and to the guy in this thread referring to "Dr." Schwartz. my wife works in a Dr.'s office and i call her boss Dr. So-and-So, not because he asked me to, thats just who i know him as.

and the realtor thing is new to me too, i must live a sheltered life... if you are driving around showing me properties then you are a realtor.

But the broker makes 3% more than a regular ol realtor.

Question:

Do you call your pastors Rev.x or Mr.?

For Catholics, do you not refer to your priest as Father ?

I'll bet he's just glad ya'll started arguing about what to call one another, that and he would probably like to kick hunter7 square in the sack for digging up a dead dog.

Applicable, but not acceptable.

DC did you know all lawyers are Doctors(our degree is Juris Doctor)?

From now on I insist that Rifleman call me Dr. Nogalus (or Dr. Noggy for short).

Yes, but I have never seen or heard of a lawyer asking to be called a Doctor. Our 2 lawyers are too redneck to give a crap.

I don't buy into that crap. If they aren't a medical Dr, dentists included, they ain't getting called "doctor" by me. Some bs degree of a doctorate in theology or education. They are just a preacher or a teacher. They aren't a healer, they ain't not doctor. And chiropractors aren't either. I will give them "practitioner" though.

I have seen exactly one in 25 years insist he be called "Dr." He was a complete goofball.....

I call them whatever they introduce themselves to me back when talking to them. If they are a friend they get called their first name no matter what title they have.

One of my medical Doctors insists on being called by his first name, I still stumble on that 15 years later.

if that is how i know you that is what i will call you. if i dont know you and i call you Mr. i think its pretty hoity toity to tell or ask me to call you Dr., Rev., or Real Estate Broker.

if i met you and said, "Hello Mr. Scott, how are you doing today?" would you correct me? "Excuse me buddy, i think you meant Real Estate Broker Scott, but uh, i'm doing ok, thanks."

Dr. Noggy Goofball

Dr. Goofball will work.....

Lmao!

I see what you are saying. No I don't go around introducing myself as a broker. Only time it comes up is when someone refers to me as a realtor.

Dr. Noggy,

Question; when introducing yourself professionally, do you add "attorney at law" or something to the effect after that?

I called my pastor Roy growing up. That is how he asked us to address him.

No. In a professional situation everyone knows who the attorneys are or at least their names so it's not necessary. In any setting (personal or professional) I just use my name. As far as I know all lawyers do it that way.

Not all. From now on I am strictly going by Grosvenor, Esquire. Anyone who addresses me otherwise will be sued for libel .

Haha. I hear ya!! I've been called a word that starts with a and ends with hole. But that doesn't work very well. That type of language is offensive when people are around. And that's disorderly conduct. Lol.

Originally in England, an "Esquire" was a rank above an ordinary "Gentlemen" but below a "Knight". Maybe you want to go with "Sir Grosvenor".

I call mine uncle wayne...he not really my uncle, but that's what he's always been called.

You going to the concert?

No I don't call the priest "Father" I call him by his name or Pastor. Mathews 23:9 is pretty clear on that.

Who's the DOUCHE BAG who brought poor Tony Romo into this train wreck of a thread???

I guess that would be you!

wrong grasshopper

Then don't call your Dad "father" or any one doctor/ teacher or Mr or Mrs either.


Jesus was pretty clear here to..... Or was he? Matthew 28:19–20

 

I guess I missed it then!

I don't. Never did. Barely called him "dad". But that's a different issue. But then again He wasn't speaking about a sperm donor He was speaking from a spiritual/religious leader prospective. And I don't know why I even got into this discussion. See what happens on 3 hours sleep?

Get some sleep!!! Seasons just around the corner!!!!

Waiting....................

That's Tony Romo, PhumbleDoctorate...

OH... .

This is his year............

Actually if an attorney introduces himself it's proper for him to add Esquire after his/her name. I don't know of anyone that does it though I've seen it on a lawyers personal stationary.

That's just someone wanting to feel important..anyone can put it after their name and it serves as no importance.

In most cases that's what it boils down to, people and their insecurities.

Did y'all stand up and clap when Obama gave his "you didn't build that" speech?

Not even close to being the same!!!

Well, y'all are basically saying anyone with a title other than Mr. or Mrs. Is insecure and just looking for attention

Trophy if I were looking at buying property from you and I introduce you to my banker as my realtor and you corrected me by saying you were not you were my broker I would go elsewhere to do business. Don't let your ego cost you money. I don't have a problem calling people Dr. Whatever but if I refer to someone with respect and still get corrected then said person had an ego problem or is very insecure. It's all about how we perceive ourselfs not how others perceive us. I couldnt care less what others think of me. As long as my wife and children are healthy and happy then you can call me wtf you want and I'm still gonna be ok at the end of the day.

I agree with the above statement.

Nope I'm saying in today's world there is a title for any and everything. I don't have to respect someone just because they have a piece of paper with their name on it. I tend to respect the person not the title. I don't know you from Adam so I'm sorry for judging you earlier in the thread. I'm sure you worked hard to become a broker and that's what you are. Why let it bother you if someone calls you a realtor. It doesn't change the fact that your a broker.

Just don't sweat the small stuff and everything else will take care of itself.

Now that we are buddies Mr.BrokerBrandon when are you taking me hunting?

No....just pointing out Esq. is useless

Well, may be pretty soon

My one hunting buddy is going to Arizona to elk hunt and my other hunting buddy is going to the Mescalero Rez to shoot an elk so it looks like I'll have an empty seat in the dove field

Can you call yourself a "realtor"? Where is a world of difference?

Gee, I think I'd like to be referred to as a "Professional Lighting and Electrical Pathways and Connections Engineering Specialist".

I suppose "Electrician" is cheaper to print on a business card, though.

Maybe "Sparky"...

The Mescalero Reservation is as green as we have ever seen it. Green really doesn't describe how the summer rain have made the forest come back alive.

I have numerous titles that I have acquired through the years. Some of which were bestowed upon me by friends. A couple by my ex-wife. None of which are suitable for this forum.

A realtor is someone who is a member of the national association of realtors. Most agents/brokers are members of a board of realtors but its not a requirement.

There is no test, certification, etc to become a realtor. All you do is say a pledge and you get a hat pin and they send you on your merry way.

That's good to hear. He is pumped, bought a new rifle and scope yesterday just for the hunt

You did not answer my questions. You stated you become agitated when people call you a realtor. And there is a world of difference. I asked if you could be called a realtor? And what is the world of difference to which you refer? That is, do you care enough about your profession to become a "Realtor"?

The difference between a broker and a agent/realtor is this:

To become a broker, you have to :

have 900 classroom hours

Have been active for a min. Of 4 years with a valid license.


Have 3600 qualifying points during the last 60 months.

You are able to sponsor agents that work under you. As an agent you work under somebody else, you can only complete real estate transactions with the approval of your broker.

To be an agent you have to have 150 classroom hours. That is it.

In laymens terms, to best answer your question, the difference between an agent and a broker is like the difference between a traffic officer and a detective, though some people would call them both cops.

Yes, a realtor is a somewhat common phrase used to describe a person who sells real estate but it is not the correct term for a Broker

So basically a broker is an agent with an associates in real estate?

Who is taller the real estate broker or the real estate agent?

And there it is..

hmmm, I don't know if 900 classroom hours adds up to an associates degree, I always thought it was closer to a bachelors, but then you still have the qualifying points to meet.


its not like people in real estate are rocket scientists, doctors or theology professors.

and there what is?

lol, if there sitting down, it will depend on the broker and if he is sitting on his wallet or not

hmmm, I don't know if 900 classroom hours adds up to an associates degree, I always thought it was closer to a bachelors, but then you still have the qualifying points to meet. I am just shy of an associates and a lot of my credits transferred but I still had to take a lot of classes. If you have a bachelors you automatically meet all of the required classroom hours except for the core real estate courses (270 hrs) according to the TREC website


its not like people in real estate are rocket scientists, doctors or theology professors

That's what I'm referring to on basically an associates w/ core real estate concentration.

Most of them I have met think they are

I've only met one that did...she got put back in her place pdq. Poor woman, wife woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning & there was nothing I could do to prevent it.

you made a sweet lady realtor cry?

This is pretty funny considering the thread title.

yeah but then you have to have the qualifying experience points

which is the equivilant to on the job training, which is a min of 4 years.

This was fun.....

wasnt it though? and so enlightening.