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Lakewood Church Shooting

Posted By: ndhunter

Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/11/24 10:55 PM

Child shot, suspected shooter down at Joel Osteen's megachurch in Houston
Posted By: thegrouse

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/11/24 11:13 PM

Horrible. Prayers sent
Posted By: bigbob_ftw

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/11/24 11:14 PM

Supposedly has a device strapped to her.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:01 AM

A Harris County deputy shot the suspect.
Posted By: Roll-Tide

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:17 AM

Osteen is safe in his gold plated safe room.
Posted By: bigbob_ftw

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:34 AM

Too much Christian hate these days.
Posted By: Brother in-law

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Osteen is safe in his gold plated safe room.


Yep
Posted By: Indianation65

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 01:35 AM

Yes, open season on Christianity these days.

I'm not into mega-churches and pastors, but the famous are pastors getting more hate then ever.

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Posted By: Roll-Tide

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 01:45 AM

These bigger churches have pretty good security protocols. I would guess in Texas you’re looking at 5 armed people out of every 100.
More rural, that number goes up.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
Too much Christian hate these days.


These days? It’s always been this way. God allows us to be challenged. If it were easy, then what would be the point?
Posted By: Duck_Hunter

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
These bigger churches have pretty good security protocols. I would guess in Texas you’re looking at 5 armed people out of every 100.
More rural, that number goes up.


They also had off duty deputies pulling shifts there. Makes sense.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 03:23 AM

It’s granted only a maniac would do a church shooting but she brought a little kid with her while she was doing it. That’s some pure evil nutjob behavior.
Posted By: texasag93

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 04:19 AM

A 'she'?

That is very rare.
Posted By: unclebubba

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by texasag93
A 'she'?

That is very rare.

Just because the news said "she" doesn't necessarily mean it was a female.
Posted By: Brother in-law

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by texasag93
A 'she'?

That is very rare.



They are very capable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 04:49 AM

Most likely the Deputy or TABC Agent accidentally hit the kid during the gun fight. Now to see if the media tries to crucify them instead of the person who brought a little kid in tow to a church shooting.
Posted By: Grit

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:08 PM

Any pictures of this nutjob?
Posted By: yotehater

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:27 PM

Immigration status? It was the 2pm Hispanic service.
Posted By: Stub

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:31 PM

Wonder what ethnicity she was?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lakewood...ire-inside-joel-osteens-texas-megachurch

Lakewood Church shooting: Woman with child in tow opens fire inside Joel Osteen's Texas megachurch
Houston police said the child was shot and the suspected shooter was killed

Two people were injured and one suspect was killed during a shooting at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church on Sunday afternoon, Texas authorities say.

During a press conference, police chief Troy Finner said that the shooting began at 1:53 p.m. It happened at around the time that the Spanish language church service was scheduled to start.

The suspect, who was a woman, entered the church with a long rifle. She was wearing a backpack and a trench coat, and was accompanied by a "small child, approximately 4 to 5 years old," Finner said.

After she began shooting, off-duty officers at the scene "engaged" the woman and returned fire. The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.

Once she went down, officers reported back to us that she threatened that she had a bomb," the police chief explained. "So we searched her vehicle, our bomb squad, and also the backpack [she brought].
"No explosives were found, but she was also spraying some type of substance on the ground."
Posted By: yotehater

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 12:54 PM

Maybe they should check for green cards before they pass through the metal detectors.
Posted By: Grit

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 02:00 PM

Not exactly quick to plaster her pic up. Makes you wonder...

I can't find a pic anywhere.
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Grit
Not exactly quick to plaster her pic up. Makes you wonder...

I can't find a pic anywhere.


"The woman, who officials said was in her early 30s, has not been identified."
Posted By: Huntmaster

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 02:30 PM

Pretty tough (for a law enforcement official)call legally/lawsuit wise…maybe not this case, but if some nut job straps a kid on the front of his bullet proof vest, and is walking around with a AR blasting people….when do you take the shot??? They miss, hit the kid, the nut job gives up, lawyers, jail time, and bankruptcy all follow. What a mess we live in.
Posted By: Herbie Hancock

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 03:12 PM

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Posted By: Grit

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Herbie Hancock
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Thank you!
Posted By: TexFlip

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stub

"No explosives were found, but she was also spraying some type of substance on the ground."

That's called "blood".
Posted By: Grit

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 05:52 PM

The wife reads the Citizen Free Press and she showed me photos of a he/she tranny. I don't think she ever figured out if she was a she/he or a he/she. Crazy...
Posted By: Roll-Tide

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 05:53 PM

Looks like a dude to me.
Posted By: Concho

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:11 PM

Shooter is a man identifying as a women according to the news, has a lengthy criminal record, not US born.
Posted By: Concho

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:15 PM

Changed name at some point, now you all know why this story is being buried by the liberal press.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:17 PM

"Lakewood Church shooter had pro-Palestinian message written on gun, sources tell ABC News"

https://abc13.com/lakewood-church-s...illed-by-police-5-year-old-boy/14414345/
Posted By: Concho

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:19 PM

Fox News is reporting the actual facts...
Posted By: TCM3

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:20 PM

Shooter lived about 2 miles from me.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Concho
Fox News is reporting the actual facts...


They have been compromised for quite a while. They just lie less than most of the others.

"Gun of Houston megachurch shooter read 'Free Palestine'"

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-786579
Posted By: Concho

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Concho
Fox News is reporting the actual facts...


They have been compromised for quite a while. They just lie less than most of the others.

"Gun of Houston megachurch shooter read 'Free Palestine'"

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-786579



Oh, I know, I was just pointing out that Fox is the only channel I have heard actually to have the cods to report the shooter was born male, identifies as a woman, changed their name, and who was Not born in the USA, and has a long criminal record including assault on a police officer...I guess we see how true it is or maybe they will all just sweep it under the carpet.
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:37 PM

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ter-identified-as-transgender-immigrant/
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:52 PM

So we had a Tranny, Pro Palestinian, foreign born critter with a little kid, shoot up a church the same day as the black national anthem was being performed at the super bowl. Just a snapshot of America today.
Posted By: Roll-Tide

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:54 PM

Trans are on a roll.
Posted By: Judd

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:55 PM

Seems like these public shooting events would go down about 90% if we just banned liberals from owning guns nuts
Posted By: Roll-Tide

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:58 PM

All are either liberal, trans or medicated out of their mind. Or all 3.
Posted By: Concho

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Judd
Seems like these public shooting events would go down about 90% if we just banned liberals from owning guns nuts




Yes, I wish the media would pick up on that Fact!
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Trans are on a roll.


The trannies are in overdrive.
Posted By: TCM3

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Trans are on a roll.


The trannies are in overdrive.

roflmao
Posted By: topwater13

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Concho
Shooter is a man identifying as a women according to the news, has a lengthy criminal record, not US born.

Man, this is kinda like a three strikes and you're out of the main stream media storyline situation.
Checks all the "maga" talking points.
Posted By: topwater13

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 10:10 PM

National File is the only one addressing the whole he/she thing it seems.

https://nationalfile.com/trans-iden...ss-and-lipstick-shoots-up-osteen-church/
Posted By: stinkbelly

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 11:24 PM

The news says the gun was legally purchased. This person was a criminal and had documented mental issues. His did he buy a gun legally?
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/12/24 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by stinkbelly
The news says the gun was legally purchased. This person was a criminal and had documented mental issues. His did he buy a gun legally?


I’d have to see the CCH to answer that.
Posted By: Judd

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by stinkbelly
The news says the gun was legally purchased. This person was a criminal and had documented mental issues. His did he buy a gun legally?


I’d have to see the CCH to answer that.


Wasn’t a felony on record and lied about the mental health, that’s pretty easy to figure out OR the system flag as a hold and didn’t follow up on a timely basis. That’s about the only situations I can think of that would allow it…are there others?
Posted By: TDK

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Judd
Seems like these public shooting events would go down about 90% if we just banned liberals from owning guns nuts

Maybe we need a tranny watch list?
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Judd
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by stinkbelly
The news says the gun was legally purchased. This person was a criminal and had documented mental issues. His did he buy a gun legally?


I’d have to see the CCH to answer that.


Wasn’t a felony on record and lied about the mental health, that’s pretty easy to figure out OR the system flag as a hold and didn’t follow up on a timely basis. That’s about the only situations I can think of that would allow it…are there others?


A person has to be adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution to be prohibited from purchasing a firearm. Those two findings are inculcated in a CCH but they are few and far between. The NIC system isn’t backed up right now so I doubt there was a hold that wasn’t followed up on. Most likely a bunch of misdemeanor convictions or deferred felonies.
Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Trans are on a roll.


The trannies are in overdrive.



Let's not forget, that we had a gay president with a transsexual "wife" in the white house for 8 yrs.....

Some of you may not want to hear or accept that.....but whatever.

Michelle's got a dick. Everyone with a brain and eyes knows it.


Posted By: stinkbelly

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 12:49 PM

Can you buy a firearm if the sex you put on your 4473 doesn't match you sex on the state id?
Posted By: Mr. 806

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by skinnerback
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Trans are on a roll.


The trannies are in overdrive.



Let's not forget, that we had a gay president with a transsexual "wife" in the white house for 8 yrs.....

Some of you may not want to hear or accept that.....but whatever.

Michelle's got a dick. Everyone with a brain and eyes knows it.



Funny stuff! I believe every word.
Posted By: 603Country

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 02:34 PM

I read the CNN report on the shooting, and nowhere was it ever mentioned that he was anything other than a woman…ever. Honestly, I only read their version to see what that version was. Otherwise CNN doesn’t exist in my world. Do they still show CNN on airport waiting room areas? I’ll ask my wife to look when she leaves for NYC on Thursday.
Posted By: Creekrunner

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by 603Country
I read the CNN report on the shooting, and nowhere was it ever mentioned that he was anything other than a woman…ever. Honestly, I only read their version to see what that version was. Otherwise CNN doesn’t exist in my world. Do they still show CNN on airport waiting room areas? I’ll ask my wife to look when she leaves for NYC on Thursday.


I think I read a while back where airports were going to quit carrying them. It was a big deal for CNN. 'Hope they continue to fail.

I was at an x-ray/imaging place last week and The View came on the TVs. Thank goodness one of the folks behind the counter switched the channel, but...it went to a Hallmark movie. bang
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Judd
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by stinkbelly
The news says the gun was legally purchased. This person was a criminal and had documented mental issues. His did he buy a gun legally?


I’d have to see the CCH to answer that.


Wasn’t a felony on record and lied about the mental health, that’s pretty easy to figure out OR the system flag as a hold and didn’t follow up on a timely basis. That’s about the only situations I can think of that would allow it…are there others?


A person has to be adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution to be prohibited from purchasing a firearm. Those two findings are inculcated in a CCH but they are few and far between. The NIC system isn’t backed up right now so I doubt there was a hold that wasn’t followed up on. Most likely a bunch of misdemeanor convictions or deferred felonies.


https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/the-lakewood-church-shooters-long-record-of-red-flags/
Posted By: Judd

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by kxan article linked above
Moreno was able to legally purchase the AR-15 used in the attack in December 2023, according to police.


Originally Posted by kxan article linked above
“We’re in the infancy stages of this,” FBI Special Agent Doug Williams said. “We want to know the motive, how she got the weapon, why she did this. We’re not there yet.”


Someone's lying...which is it? You either know she purchased legally and how or you have no idea how she got the weapon yet.
Posted By: unclebubba

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 04:20 PM

The FBI lying? I don't believe it.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 05:34 PM

The cases were pled down to misdemeanors and the emergency mental detention doesn't meet the criteria for being adjudicated mentally defective. Based on what has been released, there's nothing that would have caused him to fail a NIC inquiry to purchase a firearm.

This article doesn't address all of this but it's not as incorrect as most I've read so far.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...hurch-shooting-what-we-know/72567278007/
Posted By: Wytex

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 07:16 PM

Lots of folks fixated on the fact she used a male name as an alias. I'm betting just a way to make cops have a harder time finding put who she really was, not a transitioning female or male..
No reports of her trying to transition and identifying as male.
Saddest part is the son getting dragged into this. Hope he recovers.
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 07:37 PM

Won't the coroner's report have the actual gender?

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Posted By: bigbob_ftw

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 07:43 PM

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/02/...authorities-years-before-attack-n2170057
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/13/24 08:20 PM



A lot of people are known to authorities but can’t be locked up forever because the constitution and our laws don’t allow that. He was mental app’d several times when he was found to be a danger to himself or others but a Dr let him go every time. As I stated above. An emergency mental detention doesn’t prevent a person from legally purchasing a firearm. The only way to change that is by congress changing the gun control act. That sounds like gun control to me so good luck figuring out how to make any of this better.

https://texaslawhelp.org/article/involuntary-commitment-in-texas
Posted By: Ranch Dawg

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 02:43 AM

I hope he came across the border illegally recently. FJB.
Posted By: pdr55

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 03:20 AM

I’m confused, whose seven year old kid did it have with it that got shot?
Posted By: ducknbass

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 03:41 AM

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Posted By: TXHOGSLAYER

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by ducknbass
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It’s all a club. And you ain’t in it.
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by TXHOGSLAYER
Originally Posted by ducknbass
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It’s all a club. And you ain’t in it.


Splendid


roflmao
Posted By: J.G.

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by stinkbelly
Can you buy a firearm if the sex you put on your 4473 doesn't match you sex on the state id?


In 2020, in the infinite wisdom of the government, they added a third box under sex.

[_] Male
[_]Female
[_]Non-binary

Now ain't that an oxymoron. All those other boxes about a person's mental stability to own a firearm, and if someone were to check the Non-binary box, shouldn't that instantly make them mentally unstable?

Don't answer that. I know what regular folk think. But the government ain't regular folk.
Posted By: Concho

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/14/24 03:18 PM

I believe the world knows the motive, if Houston PD can't figure it out, that is on them...
Posted By: pdr55

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 03:14 PM

This just keeps getting better
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Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 03:15 PM

Free Gaza Trump?
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by skinnerback
Free Gaza Trump?


I assume it's from this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan
Posted By: Mr. 806

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 05:52 PM

Has the officer been given the key to the city yet for putting this "Shim" out of his/her misery?
Posted By: StephenB

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 07:23 PM

Any info on the child? Alive or dead? Whose? Shot by whom?
Posted By: Herbie Hancock

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by StephenB
Any info on the child? Alive or dead? Whose? Shot by whom?


If I heard it correctly the kid was shot by one of the off duty officers.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Herbie Hancock
Originally Posted by StephenB
Any info on the child? Alive or dead? Whose? Shot by whom?


If I heard it correctly the kid was shot by one of the off duty officers.


Most likely yes. The cop haters who have zero experience being in a situation like that will have a field day with it.
Posted By: Grit

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Herbie Hancock
Originally Posted by StephenB
Any info on the child? Alive or dead? Whose? Shot by whom?


If I heard it correctly the kid was shot by one of the off duty officers.


Most likely yes. The cop haters who have zero experience being in a situation like that will have a field day with it.


Surely no cop haters on here. roflmao
Posted By: NORML as can be

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 02/16/24 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Grit
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Herbie Hancock
Originally Posted by StephenB
Any info on the child? Alive or dead? Whose? Shot by whom?


If I heard it correctly the kid was shot by one of the off duty officers.


Most likely yes. The cop haters who have zero experience being in a situation like that will have a field day with it.


Surely no cop haters on here. roflmao

Waiting for Tigger
Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 03/07/24 07:11 PM

Did we ever find out if it was originally a man or women?
Posted By: TexFlip

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 03/07/24 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
Did we ever find out if it was originally a man or women?

Person with a vagina. Sometimes used the name Jeff.
Posted By: Grit

Re: Lakewood Church Shooting - 03/08/24 10:19 PM

Vagina Jeff.
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