COVID General Info Thread

Wife works for a fairly influential man who has a friend around 55 years old who has COVID and is in a hospital on a ventilator.
His family is trying to get him moved to a different hospital that they believe will provide him with better treatment.
So the wife's boss calls the President of the hospital system that they want him moved in to and the president tells him
" a couple of weeks ago they had only 12 COVID patients, today they have 80 and have no room for anymore COVID patients, he is better off staying at the hospital he is at".

The President also said that 95% of all of the new COVID patients were not vaccinated.

I believe it is everyone right to get vaccinated or decline, your body your choice!
Our entire family is vaccinated and we are very comfortable with our decision..

Two questions.

For those that voluntarily got the vaccine are you still good with your decision? .

For those who have not gotten vaccinated, are you now considering getting vaccinated if so why and if the answer is still no why not?

Stub, my whole family, me, wife, 18yo son and 16yo daughter are all fully vaccinated and very content with our decisions.

I got vaccinated early on and couldn’t be happier with my decision. This was of course pre-Delta, but it allowed me peace of mind.

My wife’s closest cousin is about 50, married with 3 kids under 12. Their whole family got Covid in Early July. He has been sedated on a ventilator for 2+ weeks now. Five days ago, he was hooked up to an ECMO. This was an otherwise healthy man with no underlying health issues who is now on life support. Even if he survives, he will have a very hard recovery and will like have respiratory issues for the rest of his life.

It took her cousin’s current situation to get my wife and my MIL to get vaccinated. They both got their 1st Pfizer dose.

Also, one of her best friend’s is an Anesthesiologist at Children’s. Last week, two unvaccinated teenagers died at Children’s. This was an age group that previously was asymptomatic.

Yet another COVID post…..no vaccine here, but again I’m not a sheep. Everyone has to do what they feel is best for them. As for me, I would never inject that untested crap. And now we are hearing those vaccinated are still getting the “virus”. Classic!!!

No regrets. No problems.

I am not vaccinated. I had the biological warfare virus and survived. Why does 'the guv' produce so little information regarding natural immunity?



COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease

Dude, do you have a secret fascination with sheep and other livestock. You sure keep talking about it.

Everybody has the right to get COVID anytime they want to.

No vaccine and very comfortable with my decision.

I've often wondered if Covid runs as high or as bad in Vet's as it does in civilians? Lord knows we got hit with enough vaccines when we enlisted and even more when we shipped out.

Yes, some people have caught COVID after getting vaccinated. A whole 6500 people out of 163 million vaccinated Americans have had a breakthrough case….phenomenal efficacy but whose counting.

So, kinda the same ratio of actually dying from Covid, if including the vaccinated that died from the shot itself or having severe adverse reactions?

Again, Pass.

Here’s an article from April that helped in my decision to inject a test trial drug or not. The stats are obviously a little outdated but contains several good questions we should all be asking. I’m not worried if you’re vaccinated or not. Your choice, no one else’s especially the governments. And yes, I stand by my decision.

https://www.deconstructingconventio...nWIgEaWSufpeP0uzwcVLEJx-x_ln_YhocJkL7D3k

I was merely pointing out that overall the vaccine is wildly effective, even against breakthrough cases. This really is indisputable at this point. I'm also not here judging people that did or didn't get the vaccine. Totally a personal choice.

Stubb, I'm 69 , got the Rona last November. mild case. I got the vaccine as soon as I could. just like I got the polio vaccine when i was 4. its too bad this crap has become so political. its crazy. i want to protect myself AND others. I wish everyone would get vaccinated ASAP just to help make this chit go away. you are no less a man for doing this.

I do not understand why people think vaccinated or not is political? Buzz can you explain? What’s political about me making a personal decision on whether I get vaccinated or not?

I stopped taking flu vaccines 5 years ago. I also don't take pneumonia, shingles or any other vaccines. They are all FDA approved. I think my wife and I had Covid last November and it was like a bad flu for us. I know others had far worse and some died.

We wear a mask where we are required to but hate it. We wear a mask when we go to the casino because we don't like cigarette smoke smell. We take our Vitamins including extra D daily.

We have chosen not to take the Covid vaccine but respect your right to take it if you want. That is America and Texas as I see it.

Honest question. If you can still carry it, transmit it, and die from it after receiving the jab, how does this end? Personally, I don’t think it ever ends.

It becomes political when the unvaccinated say things like "sheep" and other stupid comments such as that. I was vaccinated and don't find it a big deal one way or the other and think the whole topic has become a beating.

I am happy with my decision so far.

What tinhead says does not make my decision political nor do I need to put up a disclaimer that he doesn’t speak for me. According to him rona was going to disappear after the election.

Wife and I were vaccinated back in March. Comfortable with our decision. I am also not a sheep.

I'm NOT taking it. All this is about trust and I'm having a hard time trusting or believing anybody.

I was watching this unfold in China in its infancy. When it jumped to Europe and they began reacting I called those closest to me and told them get ready. Fixing to get western. Most here likely caught a blurb about it to this point I was already prepared. When it got here it was very obvious that I was being lied to Chinese videos of people collapsing in the streets etc etc. I watched the number in Europe climb and it was clear that if you’re not Obese, a smoker, no pre existing conditions….. statistically you were okay.

So the way my mind works is I’ve now acknowledged that I was lied to. Now I have to know why? Why was a lied to???? These numbers have been inflated from one end of the world to the other. (Not one person can deny that) I am very aware that covid is real I’m very aware that it can kill. But why the misinformation.

It’s not political. It’s a personal decision. Claiming its political makes it political and shows your ignorance.

I don’t have it yet but work is going to force me to get it in order to travel international

I'm in the same boat. Early on it looked like it may be a rough ride - I was one of the ones on this forum sounding the early alarm and looking crazy- by late March it was pretty easy to see the lies. Took me another week or two to admit and accept that everything was highly manipulated, weaponized (both the virus and the politics), and that while indeed a real virus - most everything was a lie. Hell I think I probably argued with Ducknbass right up to the point where I finally admitted to myself it was all BS.

Under zero circumstance will me or my wife get the shot. It's the hill we'll die on if need be. Is what it is - I ain't going to stop no one from doing it to themselves - but we've made our choice and no amount of peer pressure or fear mongering is going to change it. My parents are in the same boat - and hers are as well. We've also all had the virus and everyone came out just fine. I trust my own body to fight...the fact that we're all still here tells us that our bloodlines have successfully endured for a very long time - and overcame every plague and pandemic the earth has seen.

I feel the same way. Seems that those that had Covid have a better natural defense against the virus that the shot could ever produce. There is some strong scientific evidence to support that as well.

1. N/A
2. No-Working in the medical field I can tell you the extreme rigorous process a product must go through for FDA clearance. Whether you want to accept it or not, you are part of a phase 1 or 2 clinical trial. Many products never make it past these phases for all kinds of reasons and these processes take years to complete. I don’t have a problem with getting a vaccine that’s been proven and tested. The red flag goes up when they are having to incentivize this vaccine and also when the govt starts to mandate anything on a product that hasn’t been thoroughly vetted. At some point a person has to make a stand for what they believe. This is where I stand. Having said that, I must take care of my family and if forced to take the vaccine to provide, I will. I’m spitballing here, but when do you take a stand when more and more govt mandates rollout? Is it when they mandate you turn in high cap magazines? AR’s? Some sort of chip implant? In the end, it’s a personal decision. If a girl has the choice to walk in to a clinic and take a human life, why am I being pushed to take a vaccine that may or may not be halfway effective? You may not know or want to admit but the job of a hospital CEO is not to be the medical expert, it’s to be profitable. Medicare/caid fraud happens every day on a much larger scale than most realize, in the name of money. Not accusing your friends, friends boss’ friend, or whatever it is.

General info. If all your friends are on social media you're going to be fine. If you work around a lot of people and have lots of real people as friends that might expose you to this thing take precautions. I've seen 3 people who were vaccinated catch it and they were all over 76. They had very light symptoms. The one that brought it to them was a 35 to 40 year old un-vaccinated but fit person who has been in ICU for almost a month, This is just information. Do with it what you want and one day when you're asking God why he didn't save you just remember he sent you a boat. Nobody can save you from yourself.

That’s so enlightening, lol!!!!! So God’s saving those that inject now? I guess I will take my chances and let my faith guide me…..

Free will, Bud. I ain't knocking it.

Being skeptical of the information that has been and is being put out by the CDC and WHO has nothing to do with politics. Observing that those governmental entities have strong ties to the pharmaceutical industry and some of the stuff they put out has been self serving, slanted, inconsistent and/or deceitful is not an issue of politics, but of logic. Believing that those who do not question what's been going on are behaving like sheep (i.e. blindly following the herd rather than choosing their own path) is not a comment on their politics, but on their sociological mindset. Staunch members of both political parties exist on both sides of the fence.

How dare you bring logic and contemplation into this decision…….

My logic is this:

Over 613,000 are dead from COVID in the U.S. Almost none of them were vaccinated. Over 95% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. The vaccine has almost zero significant side effects or mortality. Less than nearly all prescription and OTC medications folks take by the millions every day.

When you are very sick and/or dying and/or you make a loved one sick/dead from COVID, admitting that you were wrong about the vaccine (as thousands are doing every day) won’t help or matter.

I’m pretty fed up with the stupidity and selfishness of the anti-vax crowd.

HAHA, yeah I remember all too well. And the pushups after the air gun in the arm! I didn't think it was so funny then as I do now. I also remember all the soldiers passing out too. That was funny.

Total fail….no logic to be found in this post IMO…..

I’m pretty fed up with the stupidity and selfishness of the vaxed crowd

100% accurate - bunch of self righteous clowns.

I spent the weekend in the hospital. No not from Covid, having tests for heart issues. I asked many different medical professionals about Covid and the vaccine. Everybody had already taken the shot. One Doctor said that it was impossible to come up with the number of lives saved my the use of masks, social distancing and lock downs, but he said that number would be in the millions.

Even had a visit from the hospital Chaplain, I thought his answer was one of the best.

Read Ecclesiastes 7:17
https://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/7-17.htm

Way to be a good little cnn puppet DB

613,000 dead from Covid in the US
Holy chit you’re gullible.

Right on Pitchfork. The dude is a perpetual clownshow who obviously believes everything the CDC, WHO, lamestream media, and federal gov't has to say on the subject. What a farce.

The video in this link is very much worth the 10-15 minutes, and explains my position better than I can myself, with facts. Everyone should take the time to watch it.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...TfqPFuM6rjUgaTQRA1ZSXlJlCv6IdlO37CIqsOk4

I believe the CDC and the WHO have strong ties to political parties that fund them and make certain decisions or findings based on the funding parties influence, especially the WHO.

I also believe there are a lot of sheep on both sides of the fence because there is so much misinformation out there they rely on their peers, media outlets, forums etc. to form an uneducated opinion or in some cases they all of the sudden become Subject Matter Experts

Obviously the current fools in government are using it as a tool to control many aspects of our lives for their own agenda and there are a bunch of scared sheep listening and heeding to them without question.

There are the anti vaccine zealots who denounce almost all information that supports getting vaccinated as government or pharmaceutical conspiracy theories. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of BS from both of them, the Gov for control, Big Pharma for profit.

In my original comment I share with you that the President of a major hospital network said that 95% of all new COVID cases were from unvaccinated people. Could there be some fluff or BS in those numbers? I do not know but like many others you do not hear of many people getting the FLU anymore although it is not FLU season now.

It has been going around that hospitals get more money from the CARES ACT if it is a COVID case which is only true for Medicare recipients.
So my point is maybe his numbers might be skewed a little, but probably not especially with testing and documentation required that verifies whether you have it or not.

Others like me that took the shots either for preventive measures (like the flu) or for work or to travel but believe there is no right or wrong for everyone and it is a personal decision,
we are in the WDGAF what you do category.

Wasn't it just last week the CDC came out and said the current COVID test couldn't differentiate the flu from the COVID positive tests?

I am not familiar with that, but then again I do not claim to be a SME on the matter. Look it up and post your findings.

Wasn't it also last week that the CDC said those who got vaccinated will experience tremendous hair growth on their head? I am still waiting for my long Fabio like hair growth
Funny how rumors get started

So much crappy info, rumors, lies. Doctors, health departments, politicians of all stripes begging people to get vaccinated and kill this pandemic. But 1/3 of America knows better than anyone else. Risking theirs and everyone else’s lives while calling others stupid. Geez.

We would still be dying of smallpox and being crippled by polio if those vaccines had been developed amongst all the lunacy being spread today. Time for mandates. They’re nothing new.

Spoken like a true commie.

Neither smallpox(up to 30% fatality rate) or polio(2-5% in children, higher with age - plus the risk of debilitating side effects) are even comparable to COVID with a survival rate greater than 99% (per the CDC that you seem to be worshiping). To compare this to true serious illnesses is asinine.

Also - to compare past vaccines to this current mRNA experiment is again - asinine.

Not sure if this what you wanted to see but here it is.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/...ges_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

Facts that don’t need confirmation.

The Vax is not FDA approved.
They rushed it
They have no real data to follow
Big Pharm immunity
People die after taking the Vax
People suffer permanent health issues after taking the Vax
People that have taken the Jab are still being infected
Still dying
And still required to wear a mask or three.
just to name a few

https://thelibertydaily.com/cdc-qui...counted-covid-19-and-influenza-together/

CDC Quietly Revokes RT-PCR Emergency Use Authorization Because They Counted Covid-19 and Influenza Together​
Here’s a punch in the gut for a nation that’s already hurting. As it turns out, the so-called “gold standard” testing referenced by so many “doctors” like Anthony Fauci, as well as government officials across the board, has had its Emergency Use Authorization revoked.

The CDC announced, albeit quietly, on Wednesday that the RT-PCR tests used to tell millions of Americans they’re infected with Covid-19 has been unable to accurately differentiate between the various coronaviruses. Of particular note is the inability of these tests to know whether someone is infected with Covid-19 or influenza.

To be clear, this is not a new development. These assays have been known for years to be unable to distinguish between the different types of coronaviruses, but they ran with it anyway.

Time for mandates?

give them a inch they'll take a mile... you have the FREEDOM to get vaccinated, wear a mask.... i have the freedom to not get vaccinated, not wear a mask and we both have the freedom to accept the consequences of our actions..

Don't tell Nogalus, but he's gonna die too some day. Maybe sooner, maybe later just like the rest of us.

Those that are not vaccinated always have to option to get vaccinated.

Those that have been vaccinated do not have the option to be unvaccinated.

^^ Yes Sir.

I think this is fake news. Read the CDC release vs an article someone is interpreting. The old test was for Covid only. It even says so in the CDC release. CDC wants a new test that can distinguish Covid and Influenza thus saving time/cost to administer one test vs two. Just because it is in an article does not make it accurate. Everyone has media bias and sees and hears what they want. You have to get outside your box and look at all sides to be informed.

Also, Influenza is NOT a Corona virus. I could see the test potentially picking up other Corona viruses but not Influenza. Fake news.

Dr. Robert Malone, M.D., M.S.,, a distinguished physician who discovered RNA transfection and invented mRNA vaccines.
See if this is "fake news".....

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7KcVFVOs9wLO/

Read the ZeroHedge article.......Its a subject that is worth digging in to:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ments-so-desperate-100-vaccination-rates

Some major points. The shot is not a vaccine, which would prevent you from getting or transmitting the virus. It is gene therapy which is supposed to minimize the effect of the virus. This type of "vaccine" has not been used before at least on this scale. The shot has not been tested, if you get it you are the test subject. The shot can have bad side effects, which are known and possibly worse, which are not yet known. They are seeing strong indications that the shot can actually cause the virus to have a worse effect (antibody dependent enhancement/ADE) and that is a train wreck if it turns out to be the case.

You should read your article more carefully!!

The test they were referring to in your article below was designed to only detect Corona virus's/COVID and was not designed to detect any other disease like flu or other virus's.
That is why they are recommending labs switch to new testing methods that can identify other virus and differentiate a test that has COVID or some other virus instead of only being able to give a positive or negative reading on COVID only!

I also copied at the bottom the CDC's detailed information on that older method of testing.

Your Article

Level: Laboratory Alert

After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the
CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only.

CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

Visit the FDA website for a list of authorized COVID-19 diagnostic methods. For a summary of the performance of FDA-authorized molecular methods with an FDA reference panel, visit this page.

In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR[/ assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.

(This new coronavirus is similar to SARS-CoV, so it was named SARS-CoV-2 The disease caused by the virus was named COVID-19 (COronVIrusDisease-2019) to show that it was discovered in 2019)

Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.

Additional detailed CDC information on the older testing method.


CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel
For Emergency Use Only
Instructions for Use
Catalog # 2019-nCoVEUA-01 1000 reactions
For In-vitro Diagnostic (IVD) Use
Rx Only
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Division of Viral Diseases 1600 Clifton Rd NE Atlanta GA 30329



The CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is a real-time RT-PCR test intended for the qualitative detection of nucleic acid from SARS-CoV-2 in upper and lower respiratory specimens (such as nasopharyngeal or oropharyngeal swabs, sputum, lower respiratory tract aspirates, bronchoalveolar lavage, and nasopharyngeal wash/aspirate or nasal aspirate) collected from individuals suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider1.

This test is also for the qualitative detection of nucleic acid from the SARS-CoV-2 in pooled samples containing up to four of the individual upper respiratory swab specimens (nasopharyngeal (NP), oropharyngeal (OP), NP/OP combined, or nasal swabs) that were collected using individual vials containing transport media from individuals suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider. Negative results from pooled testing should not be treated as definitive. If a patient’s clinical signs and symptoms are inconsistent with a negative result or results are necessary for patient management, then the patient should be considered for individual testing. Specimens included in pools with a positive, inconclusive, or invalid result must be tested individually prior to reporting a result. Specimens with low viral loads may not be detected in sample pools due to the decreased sensitivity of pooled testing.

Testing is limited to laboratories certified under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988 (CLIA), 42 U.S.C. § 263a, that meet the requirements to perform high complexity tests.
Results are for the identification of SARS-CoV-2 RNA. SARS-CoV-2 RNA is generally detectable in upper and lower respiratory specimens during infection. Positive results are indicative of active infection with SARS-CoV-2 but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease. Laboratories within the United States and its territories are required to report all results to the appropriate public health authorities.
Negative results do not preclude SARS-CoV-2 infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or other patient management decisions. Negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.
Testing with the CDC 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is intended for use by trained laboratory personnel who are proficient in performing real-time RT-PCR assays. The CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is only for use under a Food and Drug Administration’s Emergency Use Authorization.

I didn’t read the whole article, you asked a question, I tried to help you answer it, it will be the last time.

After all the bogus numbers and changing of their collective minds every two weeks for the last year and a half, I don’t trust none of them. CDC WHO NIH none of them.

There you go with throwing facts out there. Don’t confuse the minions.

Yes sir it is difficult to really understand fact from fiction and everything in between, we just have to do our best to make an informed decision on whats best for our family

You are right.....you are not a sheep, you are an idiot. Because only an idiot would state that "everyone has to do what they feel is best for them" but also label them a "sheep" when they choose differently than you. There are several just like you right here on this forum.

And yes, people that are getting the vaccine are still getting the virus, but people with the natural anti bodies after having it already are also still getting the virus as well. Funny how that last part falls on deaf ears.

I haven’t and no one else I know has gotten it again that survived it naturally….there seems to be a lack of reliable information for those that have antibodies…..maybe you know of a source for that info that you can share?

“Follow the science” “listen to doctors”

Honestly I dont think there is any such thing as reliable sources for anything Covid related at this point. I tend to listen to personal friends in the medical field more than anything else right now because I know I am getting a no BS opinion on it all. I believe that the longer it has been since you had Covid (or the vaccine) the higher your chance of getting it for the first time or getting it again. Not many people are getting shortly after the second shot or shortly after their first bout with the virus. Only time will tell but that seems to be the trend I am seeing from my unlicensed medical observations.

That’s it brother np dwell on that last line. Get yourself into a tizzy hate your brother. That’s a fruit of the spirit.

Matthew’s 5:22??? Maybe

I’m not anti vaccine. I’m pro choice.

Stub used to be a pole dancer. Back when he had hair.

His true colors don’t take long to appear…..he’s the same DB that’s been hiding under his rock…..

Insert “life” for vaccine and that makes exactly as much sense as when the abortionists say it.

Im 68 and very healthy. I have not gotten covid and have not gotten the vax. I went for my annual physical today and my longtime trusted doctor recommended I get the vax. He feels that way for most folks. Some one explain to me WHY I should not take the advice of a trained doctor that I know and trust. He is not CDC or WHO or the media, I looked him in the eye just while ago.

Everyone should make their own decision…..I would only advise you to get as much information as possible before making your decision if your in reasonably good health……

If you say tough guy. I hope the injection serves you well.

I can't wrap my head around why folks care whether other people get the vaccine or not. Get it if you want, or not, I don't care either way. I'm not going to try to convince people either way, it's a personal choice with personal reasons.

Yep! Nailed it.

he is recommending an experimental drug for you to take? all my life i have been told to not experiment with drugs? it cant be called a vaccine in my mind until it is approved by the fda?

Here we have a man that has proudly voted for those pushing late term no restriction abortions chastising a human being an adult who wants to decide if he himself gets an unapproved vaccine that’s pretty rich that is pretty rich.

I’ll be praying for that anger in your heart brother and for discernment.

He’s a full blown libtard, what else would expect? I’m actually surprised he’s pushing a “vax” that Trump got done by pushing it through.

my body my choice

613,000 (inflated numbers) is what % of 331,449,281 ?

Good post duck. I didn't realize this loser was a baby murder supporter. That's pretty sad.

This thread has gone a lot of directions. As far as getting it twice, a family acquaintance got it last year. He supposedly had a rough go and ended up fine. He got it again not too long ago and medicated himself with Veterinary grade Ivermectin and sailed right through. His wife got it and she medicated with Ivermectin and supposedly was almost asymptomatic.

I don't know if between first time for him and second time he got vaxxed. I don't know the exact number of months between bouts for him. I just know the info source for that little tidbit is highly reliable, at least to me.

One thing is for sure. We are all lab rats!!!

I wonder how many here have lied to make themselves feel good. Not many , I know , but I would some have stated so for their own personal agenda . Heck this fireman lied for financial gain.


https://www.newsweek.com/dallas-firefighter-accused-saying-he-had-covid-get-time-off-work-1614928

I am curious about this because I have heard alot of good things about it. I take fish meds on occasion so dog and livestock meds aint to much out of the realm of possibility for me I guess. LOL

Anyway I am curious what Ivermectin people are using. Are yall using people pills that the Doc prescribes or livestock and dog meds? I looked at Ivermectin and I see its used in dog heartworm pills. My Beagle will eat anything including other dog poop but wont eat her heartworm pill so I am not sure I could choke one down either. I see its also available by injection for cattle, swine, etc. and also in paste form. So what form of this stuff are yall using??

Shouldn’t we have bombed someone for this mess by now?

Twice to make sure

You can get it ina caulk tube for horses. It’s the paste, just figure the volume for your weigh.


No, I haven’t used it, but I’ve administered it to many horses.

Much of the current medical system is built to provide care for people who have no idea how to care for themselves: pill for this, shot for that, follow these basic care instructions (which my parents taught me and learned from their parents), etc.

People in very good health historically have had little requirement to use the medical system. But, insurance companies have implemented the onus of annual physicals for everyone in order to lower insurance costs as a result of people lacking discipline to care for themselves. The annual physical catches problems early to minimize risk and cost for the insurance company. General Practitioners interact with their patients based on the risk profiles provided by the insurance companies. The doctor MUST discuss and recommend whatever current guidelines/trend/fad/mistakes are provided by the medical/insurance establishment. Else the doctor will be removed as an approved medical practitioner from the insurance reimbursement process.

Therefore, I suggest you take the current guidance provided by the doctor with consideration for the constraints under which he operates. The current constraints contain a strongly biased agenda based on political prerogatives; and science which is presented with strong political bias instead of rational risks/contingencies/comparison information of the past many decades.

This is a dairyman in west Texas with one of those huge dairies. He's originally from here. I'm not a cattleman, but those kind of dairymen are as close to a vet as it gets.

We are hearing that it is the injectable version taken by mouth. By all means, don't anybody get sick on this info. Use your own due diligence.

There is obviously a weight to CC formula. I've heard of 2 cc being used on a male around or under 200 pounds. I don't know any other info numbers or frequency.

I just hope if I get this crap my family doc sends me home with something more than vitamins. If so, I know where to get some animal meds.

Vaxed or not vaxed who gives a F. What happened to the conservative and libertarian ideology of stay out of my business and I’ll stay out of yours. This vax vs no vax debate is worse than reality tv like the kardashians. Look at me I’m vaxed, look at me I’m not vaxed, grow up people!!! We have inflation over 5% and its “transitory”, housing prices are being manipulated by institutional money like vanguard and black rock and the list goes on, and the best banter we can put up on the THF is a vax vs not vaxed thread on repeat. Give me a break ladies and gents!

I'm not vaxxed and won't be. I'm 35 and in good health so the chance of me dying from it is about the same as getting hit by a train. I had it already and went fishing everyday, no big deal. Call me what you want but I'm not worried about other people, yes I said it. If your scared stay home.

Members of our own government played a hand in this for specific reasons, make no mistake. They and their puppets are in power now.

Funding "Gain of Function" is not a conspiracy theory.

It was designed to be a weapon, and that weapon was deployed upon the world.

We've been hearing about a new world order since Bush. They are tired of waiting and are making things happen.

Many are too comfortable with their lives to listen to anything.

This is a trial run. A real killer virus is in the plan.

Follow the money.

Well our money did fund the gain of research function after all...

Not surprised by this comment at all.

You are a commie Coc*sucker.

Just comply, just do it boys. It's for the better good!!

Good Lord man, you're burnt.

Mandates?

We have lived through this long enough.

First, it was lockdowns would fix it. No
Then it was masks would fix it. No
Then it was a vaccine, we would reach herd immunity. No.

Now we’re going back to masks and vaccines. F that. Let the chips fall where they may.

99.9 percent survival rate.

Why are we still discussing Covid? You want the vax or you don’t it’s a personal choice and no one’s business so everyone stfu!

China seals city.

https://apnews.com/article/business...andemic-46fd21e9be94b2b3f4ebeb59ec4fa77c

you control the media , you control the masses . Jim Morison, 1960s

Yesterday our hospital had a new incoming stroke patient waiting on a gurney in the hall for a bed. The word was the spike in Covid cases.

If you scroll across this and look at 7/4 you can see that we have over four times the hospitalizations from just one month ago. In a short period of time we are halfway back to the high back in January. There is no telling what our government may try next.

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f

It is a forum where people talk about all kinds of things and sometimes to the Nth degree. You have already commented on this more than once.

And.........

Fully vaxxed, happy with the decision. Fine with wearing a mask. I can handle a piece of cloth on my nose. I did the vaccine to help reduce the severity of COVID if i were to get it. If you don't want to, thats fine, cool. At this point if you have not gotten it, you probably don't want to and probably wont. It is just easier to say "i don't wanna" or " ill take my chances".

at this point its like the vaxxed are having a come to "Jesus" moment and trying to guilt everyone else into falling down the hole with them.

Well I'm vaxxed. Wife and kids are as well. Of course i'm immune compromised from having cancer last year with radiation and chemo and everything. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to get vaccinated. It's not like it was just some sort of made up concoction that they developed in a couple of months. This thing had been worked on for years and years. It just had to be tweaked to work on covid. I mean if you don't want it more power to you. I know several people personally who got covid and died before the vaccine came out. Off the top of my head I can't remember anyone having died from it that I know since the vaccine came out. Maybe everyone I know has gotten the vaccine? lol

That moment when the vaccinated become super spreaders.....

I think it is more along the lines of "why bother?" Kinda like politics. You ain't gonna change their ways or mindset. Works both ways too.

Lmao! Years and years huh? How many years was it tested on humans after being tweaked before covid?

For the most part there is a lot of folks sharing their personal experiences and overall view of yes they are in favor of it or no its not for them.
Then you have a few from both sides that are slinging a little mud and thats okay too, wonder who they might be

I'm for Rand Paul's suggestions!!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...es-americans-resist-pelosi-petty-tyrants

yeah since the early 2000's to be exact. If you think they just magically came up with it in a few months then you haven't done much research or talked to many doctors about it. SARS was the basis for it

Here read this. It explains it a little. https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/vaccine-development

You’re the one that said they tweaked it for covid, not me, so you’re telling me it’s was tested on humans in the early 2000’s but it it’s been tweaked for covid 19 which came along in 2019 but the “vax” has been tweaked and tested since the early 2000’s? Lmao! Carry on dude. I’d go get it again if I was you just to make sure it double works

I’m not getting it period. But I’m glad you’re good with your decision

"Both the mRNA and adenovirus technologies behind the COVID-19 vaccines were built on decades of research and experience.
“The scientific community wasn’t starting from scratch. Adenovirus and mRNA technology has been used in humans for decades. These are not new technologies. It’s mature, safe technology that was tailored and employed to fight this pandemic,” Jordan said.
In fact, Burton added that Moderna has been working strictly on mRNA for years."

Ok so maybe tailored was the better word choice. I'm not trying to aruge. I don't give a damn if you get it or not in all honesty. For me the risk of the vaccine, which I believe based on doctors and scientists is minimal, versus getting covid in my current state outweighs any possible risk of the vaccine having side effects of some sort. I tend to base my decisions on things like this on logic and not politics or feelings. I'm as Republican as you can get and very conservative on most things, but i'm not risking getting covid and winding up on a ventilator. Not really the way I want to go especially after being cancer free the last year and a half. I be damn if I die of covid after going through what i've been through. Two jaw removals and replacements, chemo and radiation. But like you said, you do you and I will do me and we can both agree to disagree.

is it true moderna stands for modified RNA ( kinda like a GMO) and that moderna has never created a acceptable medicine for sale , this "emergency" is their first mass run?

I’m still good with my decision to get it. Of course I can’t prove it because people have milder symptoms without the vaccine, but it may have prevented me from being admitted a couple of weeks ago when I got COVID. I was feeling better in a matter of days even if my oxygen was initially down.

I’m firmly of the belief this disgusting shaming of the unvaccinated is childish and exactly what the politicians want so they can distract and further divide us. The vaccine isn’t the end all be all and COVID is very overblown.

Moderna is not a drug company. They are a technologies company focused on developing drug technologies, not the drugs themselves. Yes they produced the vaccine, but its the RNA technology that they specialize in.

same question , have they provided a drug "tech" thats been able to be sold? Not including the use under "emergency" like what is happening now.

Were the former President and First Lady both sheep for having gotten the vaccine last Dec.?

They have only been around since 2010. It takes on average 10 years to get a drug to market. So even if they produced something on day 1 it may or may not even be brought to market this year.

I'm neutral on the subject but that was very informative. Good post.

You ask why. Here’s why, it’s dumb as F to keep beating a dead horse just because you can. Also, as I posted previously, why does it matter what someone else does or doesn’t do? Why do people nowadays have this innate need to announce personal or stupid things? It’s as if people didn’t receive enough attention as a child and desperately need to be “heard”. It’s become a soap opera. All so a bunch of dudes on the internet can banter? That’s one reason I don’t get on or post as much it’s gotten stupid.

I haven't gotten it, and not planning to. The pro vax, and no vax crowds all need to quit calling it a vaccine though, because it is NOT a vaccine. It is gene therapy. Call it what it is and carry on..........

"You ask why. Here’s why, it’s dumb as F to keep beating a dead horse just because you can".
(and yet here you are again, so how intelligent is your response, dumber than F?)


"It’s as if people didn’t receive enough attention as a child and desperately need to be “heard”.
(and yet you keep chiming in again and again for what? some desperately needed attention )


"It’s become a soap opera. That’s one reason I don’t get on or post as much it’s gotten stupid."
(You might want to take a moment and read your own comments, over and over you are doing exactly what you are complaining about, does the word Hypocrisy ring a bell?)

As Forrest would say...........

Good one DQ! I'm still waiting on some staunch Trump supporters to go bahh bahhh bahhhh at the only legitimate President.

This fighting back and forth between people on the "same team" is getting kind of old. I do figure most on here are on the same team.

You guys aren’t listening very well. The choice to not get the vaccine is about CHOICE. Period, you shouldn’t HAVE to get a vaccine for something you are not scared to get. President Trumps age and physical condition puts him in a higher risk category and he should of got the vaccine.

My grandmother spent 3 months and two years in rehab because of the flu vaccine. Another good friends father spent 3 months in hospital bed before passing from flu vaccine. My kids and wife get flu vaccine, but not I. I one that never gets the flu, and gets to take care of them.

Good friend got a heart ablation after second Covid vaccine shot, another friend got a blood clot in her lungs.


I’ve had Covid, my wife has had Covid, my daughters have had Covid. None of us had more then a bad head ache or mild temperature

Explain to me why, I being extremely non high risk should get the Covid vaccine?

Why are they still pushing the jab, if it doesn't work?

Until they are honest about it. Quit trying to hurt peoples feelings. If your obese, get the shot. Fat people are effected more harshly. Say it, fat people have a better chance of dying.

$$$$$
Control
Cognitive dissonance

In that order.

Or if you're a conspiracy theorist

-The vaccine is the bioweapon and we're about to see a bunch of people get real sick
-The vaccine is the bioweapon that's going to create a massive revenue stream from "booster" shots required to stay healthy

Parachutes fail and guns jam but at least you had them, right?

I don't care if folks get it or not. If it works, and you get it, then you shouldn't care if others don't. And if it works, and you don't get it, then it's your decision and you live with the outcome, whatever it may be. If it doesn't work, then none of this matters.

I'm actually getting over the Kung Flu right now. I've been about the least careful person I know during the last 17 months and it just hit me. Fortunately wasn't a big deal at all. I've had hangovers that were a lot worse and lasted longer. But also realize it's not that way for everyone.

I'm a very healthy 48 year old. Stats say that for my age group and heath status I had a 99.98+% chance of beating this thing. Stats were right. If I had some of the key complicating co-morbidity factors, I would have gotten the vaccine.

All situations are different, and that should make all decisions different, and everyone should quit whining about what fellow Americans choose to do, including our elected and appointed officials.

I went to a store the other day, and everyone there was wearing masks..... I thought it was just the way people were in that town, then a guy apologized for the delay, and said they had four people out with covid..... so I asked how many were vaccinated. He said three of the four were vaccinated...... which falls in line with the UK and Massachusetts studies.

It affects different people differently. Bobo and family had a quick recovery. Last July I went into the hospital with fever and diarrhea and was some what incoherent. I was treated for 3 days and sent home. I had no energy and that lasted for a couple of weeks at least. During that time in the hospital I lost 12 pounds. Have no idea why I improved and was released after the three days. Have taken both shots since will they help as a preventive? Not sure.

Don’t think I’ve seen the Lambda variant talked about here in general info thread.

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-2021-08-02/

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Don’t expect a response to that, Bobo. They already think they’ve won the argument because they’re just so stinking clever.

I can definitely see your perspective, but your analysis left out one very important aspect. None of my posts are chiming into whether you should or shouldn’t get the vax, whether it’s a vax or clinical trial, whether your a sheep or not a sheep, blah blah blah. I’m hoping everyone shuts up about wether they are vaxed or not vaxed or their opinion on the matter. Fact is if your against it or for it at this point you’ve chosen your camp. My posts regarding the matter are proposing we all go ahead and move on to something else. Like I mentioned earlier, there is a lot of other banter worthy topics. Have a good one.

Is the 223 enough rifle for deer hunting?

If you have had the vax.

I heard that TPWS is requiring the rona shot before you can get a hunting license.

How come the rona shot is given in the arm and not the butt?

Not true. All they said is you get an extra buck tag if you can show proof. You can still get the license without a vax, you just dont get the extra tag unless you show proof of vax.

The part about getting it in the rear is only figurative.

Meanwhile in the most vaccinated country on earth:

"95% of the severe patients are vaccinated".
"85-90% of the hospitalizations are in Fully vaccinated people."
"We are opening more and more COVID wards."
"The effectiveness of the vaccine is waning/fading out"

(Dr. Kobi Haviv, earlier today on Chanel 13 @newsisrael13 )

https://twitter.com/ranisraeli/status/1423322271503028228?s=21

But what if the deer also had the vax? 🤥

when will this thread die? Same chit over and over. At least Bills gone to bed

No vaccine for me. Vaccine not FDA approved and not enough time to conduct studies before making it available to the public. Now people that are fully vaccinated are getting the Delta variant. Awesome!

A CB short is enough for deer hunting if you know how to do it right.

This is true.

This would be a good point.. except that I am not in an airplane or gun fight. Wearing a parachute on the ground is just silly and walking around in full battle rattle and tactical load out in anticipation of a gunfight would look foolish on my way in to work at the hospital.

I work in an ER. I will likely be forced to choose between the shot and my job. That is the sad story here. I've already had COVID. Got it while I was working in the trenches of this stuff during the year and a half that there was no vaccine and everyone else was locking down.

Here are the indisputable facts:
-For my age group and health, the virus has over a 99% survival rate.
-Does getting the shot prevent me from spreading the virus? No
-Does getting the shot prevent me from getting the virus? No
-Does getting the shot protect me from future variants? No
-Does getting the shot mean I can work without a mask again? No
-Was actually having the virus already all that bad? No
-Has the shot been fully tested and approved by the FDA? No
-If I have a bad outcome, can I sue the manufacturer? No
-If I have a bad outcome, can I sue the employer who forced me to take it in order to keep my job? Probably not
-Have there been tragic outcomes from the virus? yes
-Have there been tragic outcomes from the shot? yes

So, can one of the "everyone must get vaccinated" people tell me why I need to be vaccinated? I don't need a scientist, politician, doctor, or virtue signalling celebrity to convince me that what I know to be true, what can be proven to be true, is actually false. That's bizaro world. I don't live there. I live in America. Home of the free and brave. My body, my choice. Your body, your choice.

H. Scott Apley, a Dickinson City Council member in Galveston County, Texas, was admitted to the hospital on Sunday for "pneumonia-like symptoms.

Apley, 45, then tested positive for COVID-19, and was sedated and placed on a ventilator. His wife, Melissa Apley, and their infant son also tested positive but have not been hospitalized.

Two days before he was hospitalized, Apley shared a Facebook post suggesting that COVID-19 vaccines don't work. It was just the most recent social media post in what seemed like regular criticism of the pandemic and vaccines.

Well that does it!

100% AK

613,000 plus people are dead from COVID. Thousands more are hospitalized as we speak.

ALMOST ALL OF THOSE DYING AND IN THE HOSPITAL NOW ARE UNVACCINATED.
(Read that out loud 10 times and you will have repeated the explanation you seek 10 times.)

Why? Because the vaccine works, that’s why. This is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

Y’all keep touting this 99% survival rate. That’s stupid. More have been killed by COVID than all the wars from WWII to the present. If someone told you that one in every 100th car trip on average you or your family member was going to die in a fatal accident - would that maybe make you leery of car trips? Geez folks, quit bending logic into a pretzel just because of politics and propaganda.

Quit being scared of shadows. Get the shot. End the pandemic. Protect you and everyone else.

NP 99.7 percent of the people survive, what are you afraid of?

You guys do time fighting for those freedoms?

I agree with NP. Sorry all.

I'm 69, I cant afford to chance it either way, so, I chose the shots AND I will get the booster as soon as its available.

IDGAS what anyone says. This is a political problem instead of a practical one.

YEA, YEA, I know Lyndsey Graham got Covid after he had his vaccine

When Trump comes forward and says get the vaccine, will yall get it then??? He and his wife git the Vax???

Just hope none of you anti-vaxers get a bad case of Covid, ANY Variant. It's bad chit and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

This a HEALTH thing but its become political because Biden asks you to get it. Period

Dang, I dont even know why I posted this. It wont do any good

Yall have a great weekend.

Is it fair chase if done behind a HF? LOL

NP quotes medical statistics, works for me...

Ohhh boy are you pulling the I served in the military card?

Just a question. Take it as you will.

Less than 600,000 in the U.S. die annually from all types of cancer. Most of you guys posting on here would apparently turn down a cure for cancer. Smart, real smart….

What relevance? Just a question......

You're choice your body. Your free to do what you want, Just curious how much you did to keep my freedoms in tact.

It's hilarious to have overweight old farts telling young, fit people to get a non FDA approved shot.

Also, telling other people they are scared for not being scared of dieing from a virus is the height of hypocrisy.

NP the numbers will never be that of cancer......

There have been 600k that died of covid in almost two years........ think about it NP the numbers will continue to drop in the third year. I'll use the forest fire analogy, one the fuel has been burned there is nothing left to burn.

Again what relevance?

If this shot cures covid you’re the 1st to make the claim!

If you can't see it then your looking through a narrow window.

It cures you from dying of it.

But insert cancer “vaccine” if you like. The point doesn’t change.

I know of 5 people that came down with covid in the last two weeks, and no bullchet 4 of the 5 were vaccinated. Sure it works.......

NP supports those who support murdering innocent, unborn children. Take his word FWIW.

Like I have stated before you just do not read very well I already know someone who has died of Covid that was fully vaccinated what you said is a lie

What's the best way to clean a rifle barrel

Yesterday:

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death, they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

- CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky


"Did you get that? The CDC Director has publicly announced that the Covid shots cannot prevent transmission of the Covid virus. And a medical intervention that is only intended to mitigate the symptoms while permitting the disease to be passed on is not a vaccine at all."


You've been had by a massive dis-information campaign and their mask is slipping (pun intended).

If you’re in bad shape, get the shot. If you’re fit you will be fine.
Media don’t want to fat Shame. But it’s a fact they don’t cover.

1. Just a two week lockdown didn’t work.
2. Get the vaccine didn’t work.
3. Reach heard immunity didn’t work.
4. Get the vaccine and no more mask if you vaccinated didn’t work.

Get the shot if you want. I don’t care. My kids won’t get vaccinated, so it’s moot.

Some folks have time to be ill. We don't we are a busy bunch. One of our vax'd got sick and was over it quick. One of our buddies that totally refused is now down while we are all headed on 27 hour deep sea fishing trip. Sure gonna miss that dude while we drink beer and shoot the chit. He'll survive I'm sure but he's more pissed it's taking so long to get over that he will miss the trip we planned for 6 months. Sometimes just surviving is just that and you miss out on living.

No he doesn’t, he quotes numbers BS from the same chitheads pushing fear and a shot that doesn’t do much. His numbers are wrong just like the numbers have been wrong all along. But you covidiots carry on in your world of fear.

Its off topic but, we kill one million healthy babies a year out of convenience, and then freak out about 600k plus covid deaths over two years....... we live in clown world!

Three words to describe these members mindless dribbling…..Weak…Frightened……Pathetic…..no talking about your post missingAK….. I concur with your opinion and thanks for showing up to work while these “boys” were hiding…..

Trump and his wife got the vaccine back in January.

Please give us the full story Don Lemmon wannabe…..

And your point is??? IDGAF what those two did nor does anyone else.
You covidiots act like by saying “Trump took the “vax” that well run out and get the shot. Lmao!

Amen SA.

Getting the vaccine is a choice. I don’t care if trump got it or not.
I got it, my kids will not.

600k is way inflated number btw.

Also true.

That's how fake news spreads.

Laughable to see grown men scared of a measly shot already taken by 170 million of their fellow Americans of all ages, shapes and sizes accuse others of being scared.

NP how old are you?

Here’s what the noted liberal Governor of Alabama has to say on the subject:

Another noted liberal speaks on the issue:

If the vaccine works, why do the vaccinated worry so much about the unvaccinated?

Liberals “this shouldn’t be a political issue”

Also liberals “trump got it”

Showing it’s not a political issue.

Because:

1)Some people care about others and don’t want them and their families to suffer; (Repeat that 10x please. It’s enough reason alone if you are not completely heartless.)
2)All of us will have to live in a restricted world until the misinformed take the vaccine and end the pandemic;
3)COVID costs are skyrocketing and completely unnecessary;
4)Hospital beds and ICU wards are full of COVID patients which makes treating other patients difficult and sometimes impossible. This leads to unnecessary deaths also.

That’s just four.

I really thought you were smarter than this Sneaky.

Even more laughable is manboys like yourself so afraid of a cold virus that they inject experimental drugs and wear masks that don’t work and hide indoors…. You might consider stop smoking and lose some weight…… I am not responsible for your poor lifestyle choices…..

Exactly it’s not so why the accusation that it is?

Because one side is making it one as reason to put all the rest of us at risk.

Look, none of this is hard. None of it should be political. Saying stupid stuff like “it’s a cold” or “the vaccinated are sheep” and buying into quack doctors and misinformation while your friends and fellow Americans are getting sick and dying every day is so ignorant. And so unnecessary.

Please get the shot.

Not getting the shot. Please STFU

Bleeding heart liberals and their sad songs......

One thing is for sure, nobody in this thread has been convinced to take a non FDA approved experimental shot. You are wasting your time here. Maybe go setup a tent with a banner that says "free medical advice from diabetic looking old guy" you might get farther.

Hey NP....

Getting the shot ends the pandemic? I swear I just read that in a post two pages back. Who knew it was that simple?

Np your distorted view of my reality and the reason I make a choice does not make it so.

This has zero to do with politics. Obviously you live and die on what politics say. That does not matter to me.

Well, it is.

Only to the simple minded……don’t you have some comrades to protect?

How can you prove you're not scared to get the vaccine when you hide behind politics? Asking for a friend.

Is it really? I’m in the camp of it’s an individual choice whether your vaccinated.

That said, riddle me this. How can the pandemic end if vaccinated people can catch and spread the Delta variant?

That’s what you sound like. [censored] you.

And [censored] the [censored] that insinuated that your opinion or freedoms are superior because you volunteered to choose a career path in the military. It don’t work like that - we are all equal. Get [censored].

Ask your friend to post one fact where I made this about politics ……scared, lol! Let’s meet face to face ….. I’m not injected, you still want to meet? No masks required and we shake hands when we meet….. you in? Or scared?

Pitchfork when you gonna be up at your new property?

I’ll be out there this weekend…..let’s meet up?

This reminds me of gun ownership.


Republicans who oppose guns just don’t own one.

Democrats who oppose guns try to ban everyone from owning one. Imposing their will on others.

An unapproved vaccine is simply a choice. I took it, I’m 50.
I will not let my teen daughters take it.

If you are fat and smoke get the vaccine.

Just put him on ignore. He isn't tolerant of anyone else’s individual health, risk level, self sovereignty or views. He never has. He is an elitist that mandates dominion over those he views as lessors.

He will continue to ignore death rates, individual experiences and transmission rates because he has bought into his fellow leftist views of annihilating individual freedoms, for his own perceived gain.

I’ve had covid, My symptoms where mild at best. I’d rather take a treatment for it next go round instead of vaccines and treatment again. I should have that right to decide. Ironically my circle of friends that Are MD’ and OD HAVE EXACT SAME VIEW. They are also speaking from their personal experiences of actually treating covid.

Only to the simple minded……don’t you have some comrades to protect?


How can you prove you're not scared to get the vaccine when you hide behind politics? Asking for a friend.

Ask your friend to post one fact where I made this about politics ……scared, lol! Let’s meet face to face ….. I’m not injected, you still want to meet? No masks required and we shake hands when we meet….. you in? Or scared?

Guess "comrade" wasn't in reference to any political affiliation. Hell, I shook hands with devils around the world. I've been vaccinated from damn near anything on this planet for that hunting trip. I'll shake any reasonable man's hand.

That's what makes him a regulation libtard. I have zero use and/or tolerance for libtards.

No facts, no stats, no nothing. Just name-calling and useless anecdotal crap. Just like all the other misinformation out there.

Here are some facts, do we need to keep posting them over and over for you so you will get it?

Sure one by one please

Just keep digging your hole NP…… you seem to be good at hiding….

He’d rather believe the “facts” from fraudulent fauci or the cdc , both who have been wrong since January 2020 instead of actual DR’s that have treated patients, and numbers that have been so inflated it makes the michelin man look Ethiopian.

Facts unvaccinated cases around us have fared much worse. This is just information involving real people and not fake news.
Aunt 50's - Dead
Uncle 60's-dead
4 Cousins 30's-40's close to dead long term effects (obese)
Neighbor niece 30's -dying for a month now (Fit)
Wife's cousin 20's-very ill now (Fit)
1 (Teen) Nephew, BIL, SIL, Neice sick with vaccinated Nephew never got sick
Neighbors and his brother (in 80's) vaccinated got sick for 2 days and back to gardening
2 aunts 60's ill but recovered in a couple of weeks long term effects
There are at least 9 more cases fil, wife and I were exposed to and we have been tested 3 times never a postiive.
My 3 brothers, sister, parents and close friends have been on many trips as well. None of us experienced side effects from the vaccine either.

Your common know-it-all unable to dispute facts put before him. What a shocker......

The peer reviewed science supports ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine not these dumb vaccines that have not even made it through trails until late 2022. NP is obviously too smart to realize the jab is not a vaccine at all.

I haven't had it effect my family at all.... my 93 year old grandmother got it had mild symptoms. Everone else is doing fine.

I wonder why that is?

Do you really believe that I don’t believe you because I choose not to get injected? But what about all the family members and friends that die every day of cancer heart disease etc? I guess they don’t count now? They don’t get the headlines or the online stories about how horrible it is that they died of disease…..we have never held members of the population out as being responsible for their deaths……but now we are all responsible for keeping people that can’t fight certain disease safe? The world can’t function this way……as we have found out for the last year and a half it becomes one big cluster f#ck…… I haven’t heard your concerns for all the suicides that have gone up from people depressed, businesses destroyed…. I guess they don’t get the Covid badge of honor…..

I couldn't tell you but it doesn't change facts. It hasn't bothered any of my immediate family but the folks in Dallas and Houston took it hard.

Hook line and sinker, why do you push the jab so much? Protect your family, and worry about yourself.

only deal whats dealt.

Well if your vaccinated family hasn't been effected, and my unvaccinated family hasn't been effected........ then what does that tell you?

Maybe, you're people stay off the streets more than mine do.

Nope we haven't slowed down, especially the wife and I. We have actually worked more and gone more place all around Texas then before because of covid. We don't wear mask unless we are forced to. To be honest we probably have already had the virus but just beat it naturally. I'm gonna get my antibodies tested when I come back from vacation next month since I'll need a covid test before entering the US.

My family has all got it….. we recovered quickly and we don’t hide indoors…..I’m shaking hands with the public daily…..good to go….but we make an effort to take care of are health…..we don’t smoke and we aren’t fat….

True, I also heard that a natural immunity is better then the jab. Apparently the jab attacks the virus in one particular way, where as the natural defenses attack it in four different ways.

Maybe NP and the rest of the libtards and th "get vaxed to protect us all" clan can ante up some $$$ for these poor folks to get them vaxed.....

Stop pretending that crush of immigrants at Texas border isn’t driving COVID cases

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/stop-pretending-crush-immigrants-texas-162119141.html

The Fundamentals haven't change. There is high risk... And the majority of the population. Like I said I've had covid, my entire family has. I'll take the treatment option plus my historically minute possibility of dying from it to form a stronger natural resistance then what the vaccine offers. We aren't high risk, you have zero agruement for me to have to get it. I have higher probably of becoming seriously injured hunting due to amount I hunt and travel to hunt every year.

Death rates a percentage

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

100% if the virus is sooooo deadly then why in the hell is the border wide-open? The libs can't have it both ways.....

Also we have to stop agreeing Jgraider. Its effecting the balance.

Yep we took advantage of cheap flights too. Mexico a few times Costa Rica. Got vaccinated to avoid quarantine in Indian Archipelago region which got shot down by the government anyway.

" . . . . Got vaccinated to avoid quarantine in Indian Archipelago region which got shot down by the government anyway."

What a great reason.

Hahahaha!!! You may be right.

Just imagine that the numbers have to be even lower because of all the people that are asymptomatic, and or have mild symptoms, that didn't seek medical attention.

My folks like smoky bars and loud music.

Beautiful place and had it all set, vaccination and all then they told us it was a no go.

Alot lower!!! You now have $20 take home tests that results aren't reported to a government body. 3/4 of my family took take-home tests. Officially only one of us had it.

I don't choose to inject myself with RNA manipulating chemicals, because I cannot get in somewhere.

Lol... I guess it would have been a once in a lifetime event if I would have gone and died from the vaccination, huh? I can't stand to miss a "wish i woulda " chance.

Not sure if I have ever heard you sound this ignorant.

I don't think you have the right word. Reckless maybe Ignorant I think not.
ignorant : lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

I'll concede your point.

What’s wrong with using Ivermectin instead of the vaccine?

And the mortality is even lower than the data listed, given there's a huge difference in dying with COVID, and dying from COVID. Case in point the headlines around here of a 99 yr old lady who passed, with COVID being the cause of death on the death cert. Never mind she had diabetes and a couple other issues, along with being freaking 99 yrs old. Once again, don't believe everything big brother says.

Ivermectin has a long history of effectiveness for lot's of ailments, all over the world. It's frowned on here because a $7 tube of paste will treat a 230lb human for a week. Big pharm and big gov't hates that.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/16313999/4

I drink the cheapest beer I can find. I have found through my own scientific studies the cheap beer contains a multitude of different preservatives that will kill any type of virus that tries to invade my old body. Wow, that is a long sentence. I never was very good in English classes.

The lie is 600k deaths.

Not one person in my family got the virus.

I am vaccinated. Will not let my kids get it.

Mandates are not freedom. If you think you will die, get the vaccine.
If you don’t trust the vaccine, don’t get it.

Not complicated. Surrender your guns is next mandate.

But the President of The United States says " Virtually no ones died because of That Vaccination "

Lol, he also said that 350 million US citizens are now vaccinated.....

I know bullish when I see it.

That NYC mayor, eating a burger rubbing his belly saying come get a free burger and a vaccine. If that’s not a red flag I don’t know what is.

Be honest with the people.
1. Kids are not dying
2. Fattys are dying.
3. Masks don’t work. You touch 1000 places a day. Hand sanitizer more useful.

Yesterday parents who spent all those years telling their kiddos not to give into peer pressure, to follow their own path......... now be like, everybody's doing it......

Yall ought to be ashamed.

It's no longer under patent, it's generic.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ks-gateway-pundit-dies-covid-vaccine-27/

If 350 million Americans got the shot then every single one of use are vaccinated plus 20 million that doubled up.

Was that before or after he groped that little girl?

They must have shot me while I was chugging down cheap beers and didn't even know it.

I prefer keystone light

Bump

The decision to take or NOT take the vaccine is an individual choice. It cracks me up to read some of the internet experts here criticizing those who do not feel comfortable taking the vaccine. I am willing to bet that many of THF critics here haven't read any of the data concerning the significant numbers of deaths and adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines. Their decision to take the vaccine seems to be based upon what the media and the government tell them.

The vaccine is safe they say. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. It may be safe today, but is it safe two years from now? Five years from now? It typically takes years for a vaccine to be fully tested and approved by the FDA. That is certainly not the case with the current COVID vaccines. Adverse reactions experienced by many are underreported by the government, the media and our THF vaccine experts here. Don't take my word for it. Go to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and read the data yourself. See the links below. The reactions reported within the VAERS system are said to be significantly underreported, but it is the best and only information we have right now concerning the adverse reactions to the vaccines.

Open VAERS - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting

CDC - VAERS - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting


For the moment, I am more concerned about the vaccine than I am about COVID. That's my choice. You do you. I have had COVID and it wasn't that big of a deal for me. Some have preexisting conditions and other concerns that compel them to take the vaccine. Okay then, go take the vaccine. It's all good. America....it's about individual freedom. Or, at least it used to be.

For those who have taken the vaccine....you are protected. Why do you care who choses to take or not take the vaccine? If it works as good as you and others say, you are protected and have nothing to fear. So, you do you and I do me. Just leave us alone to live our lives as we see fit. For the record, I am not against the vaccine....I am against the restriction of freedom of choice.

See the link below to watch an outstanding news report from a former Fox new reporter concerning ivermectin and other COVID treatments. It is an eye opening story.

Pursuing Truth in Covid Drug Treatment Amid a Censored Media Landscape

Vaccine passports are being rolled out in Europe as we speak. Many are protesting these restrictions to individual freedoms in France. This is likely coming to a country near you. Is that what you want? Do you want the government to to have the ability to track your every move incase you contract COVID for "contact tracing purposes?" Do you want to have to have a vaccine passport to eat at a restaurant? Grocery store? Etc.

The government is telling us how bad the Delta variant is and that we must all be vaccinated NOW!!! Mask up NOW!! Is it that bad???? Do your own fact checking. Don't get me wrong, I am aware that hospitalizations are up as a result of the Delta variant. How about the death rate? That is what matters most. Look at the data. The 7 day average for deaths for Jan 7, 2021 was a little over 3,000 deaths. The current 7 day average is just under 500 deaths. Why all the panic? It seems that there is a bigger agenda beyond the Delta variant.

Do your own research. Don't believe me, the media or the government. Do your own research.

our selected leaders will be pracitces social distancing, vaccines , and masks. I wonder whos on the dinner menu. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ound-advance-lavish-b-day-bash-saturday/

Proudly.

I heard Indian corn is better than regular corn for deer. Sound right?

Death from the vaccine or with the vaccine?

BRAVO missingAK. What an outstanding post!!!! 1,000% correct. Why isn't that some of the critics here and elsewhere simply don't get the facts you laid out so eloquently.

Thank you for posting that! I have a close family member in the same boat. She is a fantastic nurse who will not get the vaccine for all of the reasons you laid out. She is about to be fired at a time when hospitals are crying about a significant nursing shortage. It defies logic....

NP...I'm sorry man...but you're starting to sound like a scared, emotional little man...questioning folk's intelligence, insinuating people don't care about families suffering...because they don't want to take a medication that you deem necessary for yourself? I don't get that.

1. Does the shot prevent you from spreading the virus to people you care about and don't want them and their families to suffer? NO. (read that 10x please) I noticed you simply emoted rather than dispute this fact. Reference the CDC if you believe the shot does prevent transmission.
2. All of us will live in a restricted world until politicians and the fear mongering, sensationalizing media stop pushing their agenda of complete control. All of us will live in a restricted world until ill informed citizens quit being scared of their own shadow (you know who I'm talking about). You can't control getting an airborne virus and still live a normal life. Your illusion of security is not my responsibility. (Read that 10x please) If you are scared, stay home. It is not my responsibility to make sure you feel comfortable leaving your house.
3. COVID costs are skyrocketing and completely unnecessary. I won't dispute that. How does getting the shot, especially after having COVID, change the cost that has already happened? The cost of treating the Flu high too...EVERY year. Nobody is mandating flu vaccines. The cost of treating pneumonia, especially in the elderly, is astronomically high...EVERY year. Nobody is mandating pneumonia vaccines. Nobody is mandating masks during flu season. Why? Because for the vast majority of people, flu and pneumonia are no big deal. If you don't wear a mask during flu season, are you contributing to the cost of treating flu? Do you not care about the families that suffer every year with the flu? Why is that? This cost often times is "unnecessary". The economic costs of the lockdowns are completely unnecessary. The cost of putting up plexiglass everywhere, 6ft spacing dots on the ground everywhere, the advertisement encouraging non-sick people to wear masks (all of which do nothing to actually prevent the spread of the virus) is unnecessary. I'm glad we agree on something.
4. Hospital beds and ICU wards are full of COVID patients. This is true. There are several factors at play here. Hospitals want to have their beds full. Hospitals with full beds make lots of money. Most, if not all, of the non-ICU admits to the hospital for COVID are either done as a precaution, for observation, or because the patient has other comorbidities that make their dealing with COVID more dangerous. The vast majority of the hospitalized folks with COVID are not young healthy people. I'm not dismissing the fact that there are some heartbreaking exceptions. But they are not the rule. Why do young (less than 60yo) healthy people need to be worried about being hospitalized?

Posted on August 7, 2021 by John Hinderaker in Coronavirus
The CDC’s Voodoo Epidemiology

Our country’s response to the covid epidemic has been an unscientific embarrassment. It is not too harsh to say that our policy has consisted of harassing the general public while exposing the vulnerable. In the parade of irrationality, the Centers for Disease Control has been the leader.

One way in which the CDC’s unscientific approach is currently on display is its refusal to acknowledge that catching covid confers immunity to the disease, to the same extent, and probably more, than being vaccinated. This stands to reason, since the whole point of vaccination is to mimic the effect–production of antibodies–of having a disease.

In the Wall Street Journal, law professor Todd Zywicki describes his own experience of having his employer refuse to acknowledge his recovery from covid as equivalent to vaccination. See original for links:

Clinical studies from Israel, the Cleveland Clinic, England and elsewhere have demonstrated beyond a doubt that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 provides robust and durable protection against reinfection comparable to or better than that provided by the most effective vaccines. Examining the evidence this May, the World Health Organization concluded: “Current evidence points to most individuals developing strong protective immune responses following natural infection with SARS-CoV-2.”

Protection from natural immunity may even exceed that of the less effective Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which according to the CDC demonstrated only 66.3% effectiveness at preventing infection in clinical trials.

The onslaught of the Delta variant in recent weeks has reinforced the lessons about the robust protection afforded by natural immunity. Unlike the current vaccines, which are designed to target the spike protein of the virus, natural immunity recognizes the entire complement of SARS-CoV-2 proteins and thus protects against a greater array of variants.

Thus even as vaccine breakthrough infections multiply around the world, natural immunity is robust to the Delta and other variants. With respect to the Gamma variant, a recent analysis of an outbreak among a small group of mine workers in French Guiana found that 60% of fully vaccinated miners suffered breakthrough infections compared with zero among those with natural immunity.

And whereas the vaccine’s protection may wane faster than expected, the latest estimates on the durability of natural immunity stretch to at least 11 months, the duration of most follow-up studies. Some 16 months after contracting Covid I am still testing positive for antibodies. In fact, researchers have discovered that the antibodies produced by natural infection continue to evolve to generate “increasingly broad and potent antibodies that are resistant to mutations” compared with the more static “antibodies elicited by vaccination.”

I don’t know why the CDC resolutely refuses to acknowledge either the basic scientific principles surrounding vaccines and the production of antibodies or clinical data confirming that contracting covid confers immunity, but I am pretty sure the reasons have to do with politics, not science.

Meanwhile, our occasional correspondent who is a neurosurgeon in Washington writes:

There are a fair amount of good clinical studies now published that support the idea that natural immunity is at least equivalent (and better in some instances) than vaccinated immunity. Nonetheless, private and public enterprises are enforcing the mandate without regard to immune status. At least one very good study performed in the UK (www.pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34216472/), and specific to the Delta variant, found that previously infected health care workers who subsequently got vaccinated, were 3.5x more likely to get a symptomatic breakthrough infection with Delta, than if they were not vaccinated at all. This highlights a possible harm to individuals who were previously infected, who are coerced into receiving the vaccine.

A separate, very large study at the Cleveland Clinic of over 50,000 individuals found that no (0%) of individuals previously infected with COVID, were re-infected regardless of vaccination. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2) However, the CDC guidelines do not address these studies — and rely on the intuition that the benefit of vaccines outweigh the risks, even in previously infected individuals.

… The slippery slope resulting from these vaccine mandates needs to be resisted as much as possible, and we need to inject scientific equipoise back into the discussion.

Our covid response has been dictated by politicians and bureaucrats, while the voices of actual physicians with expertise in the relevant fields and with clinical experience treating covid patients have been suppressed by the press and by social media giants. The result has been a fiasco.

I'm sorry your family has been so affected by this virus. I will never discount the very real pain and suffering that is happening in families across the world. My sincere condolences for your losses and for those who are still fighting/recovering from the virus.

That said, statistically, your family is the exception rather than the rule. It also solidifies my thought that there is a very real genetic component to this virus that as yet has not been studied/determined. Also, me being vaccinated would not have changed any of this. It is just as likely that you and your family members caught the virus from a vaccinated person as much as it could have been caught from an unvaccinated person.

This is why the other half of America, including me, is giving the shot the middle finger.

If you believe otherwise, you're a mentally retarded libtard.....AKA NP