Bow vs. Crossbow

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I also think that it is possible that a few more people will get involved in the sport that may not have otherwise. This is always good as we need more hunters to keep the sport alive and fund the necessary agencies.

But how many is too many, do we expect to allow the hunting population to grow exponentially with the human population, that won't work, with a growing hunting population and shrinking huntable ground due to increasing sprawl, is it any wonder that it is turning in to a money sport.

The main reason I like to bowhunt is that it weeds out alot of lazy ****** and allows me to hit the woods with a minimal amount of hunting pressure for a short time before the rest of the "hunters" start there season. Those days are over and you got one thing right, this is all in order to sell more archery stamps and increase revenue for the "necessary agencies".

This makes me sick to my stomach. If you are able to draw a bow, you should have to use one to hunt in October.

I never heard so much whinning in my life

awwww poor little Cooner is gonn'a get sand kicked in his vagina by all the "new hunters" during archery seanon. WTF

You want you own seanon, I'll call up O'l Rick and see if I can make it happen Pardon the rest of the world for encroaching on YOUR right to hunt.

The percentage of deer wounded will be minimal if it's as easy as you say it is, so that excuse is out. In fact I bet the number of wounded deer by first time crossbow users will equal the number of wounded deer caused buy first time bow hunter.

Good job buddy, way to support OUR, notice I left out the Y, rights to hunt.

kt

that is the funniest thing I've ever seen on here...LOL I bet cooner is the first one in the stand on opening morning of rifle season too. All those dirty bastards around him shooting all his deer . Seems to me that anyone against the growth of Hunting is against what alot of us on here are for. Cooner...you mad that we introduce our children to the sport...takes away from your land and animal populations...right?

Scooter,
Are you serious? Do you think a guy that spends his spare time on a hunting website actually has the kind of mindset you portray me to have, get real. I have re-read my comments and agree at face value they are harsh, but I stand behind them.

BTW..If you are a hunter and you take your children, they are not NEW to hunting. It's not that I am against the growth of hunting, more like I would rather see the sustanence of hunting, status quo. I am not so sure I want to bring in NEW hunters if it is going to continue to go towards the HF, big money game it is becoming, and beleive me when I say that this has alot to do with how much money can be made from the selling of additional archery stamps and the NEW "XX5000 Deerslayer Extreme XBow".

Oh Yeah, I am definately the first one on my stand on opening morning of rifle season, why is that wrong?

Posted By: passthru

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 06/30/09 06:30 AM

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pass thru is right about that, shooting a bow is much harder than a xbow, now what i want to know for all u "im not gonna take the easy road" people, why dont u use a traditional long bow instead of a compound..... to me it osunds like yall are taking the easy road....

I hunt with a recurve also but mostly for small game. You know, love struck rabbits in the spring, coons at the feeders and bow fishing. It takes a lot of practice and hand eye coordination to become good enough to shoot a deer with and I have never gotten that comfortable with it. The other thing is the only real difference is the let off. You can put sights and peeps on a trad bow although most don't and you can shoot a compound with out them. I have the most trouble getting drawn without being seen in most Texas applications due to lower stand heights and I'm not usually hunting a feeder. The fact that you have to have that much unseen movement it the harder part to me.

Posted By: Redneck_Hunter

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 06/30/09 04:22 PM

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I have the most trouble getting drawn without being seen in most Texas applications due to lower stand heights and I'm not usually hunting a feeder. The fact that you have to have that much unseen movement it the harder part to me.

I agree. It was for this reason that I've never hunted from a pop up blind. When you think about, the introduction of pop up blinds are kinda like allowing cross bows. I'm sure someone will jump on that, but here's why I say that.

Several years ago, when the pop ups first became popular, a guy on our lease bought one, and I started poking fun at him, and calling him a cheater. Here I was, showering in scent away, getting in full camo, including gloves & face mask, sitting in an uncomfortable hang on tree stand, and having to pick just the right moment to draw back without getting busted, and he was sitting in his little pop up wearing shorts, tank top, & flip flops, sitting in a comfortable camp chair, and not worrying about being seen.

I know it's not the same thing, but pop ups certainly make bow hunting alot easier in some situations.

Posted By: bossbowman

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 06/30/09 05:34 PM

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Not true.

The Governor signed the law, but it's not been implemented yet. For those of you rushing off to purchase your Xbow's, you may be counting your chickens before they hatch. I would wait until we see how this law will be published & enforced by the TP&W. Here's a link to their website where you can leave your comments on this topic.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/feedback/public_comment/proposals/200907_crossbow_laser.phtml

Thanks for the link, long comment sent.

Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/01/09 04:36 PM

Could be some looking for public sentiment towards crossbows in relation to any changes that might be made with WMA rules for crossbow usage.

Or maybe just TPWD's way of saying "don't blame us" making it known it was forced on them.

Posted By: Redneck_Hunter

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/01/09 06:47 PM

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Could be some looking for public sentiment towards crossbows in relation to any changes that might be made with WMA rules for crossbow usage.

Or maybe just TPWD's way of saying "don't blame us" making it known it was forced on them.

At any rate, I would expect TPW to have more influence on hunting regulations than our State Represenatives.

Hopefully our Governor sees it this way as well.

I'm really on the fence with allowing Xbow's, but I can't help but wonder if TPW would have made some of the other changes they made earlier in the year if it was known that Xbow's would be allowed for everyone during archery season. For example, in some counties they increased the number of doe days from 4 to 30 back in March, and announced the introduction of a muzzleloader season. To me, it seems a little excessive to make these changes while also allowing Xbow's during archery season.

Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/01/09 07:47 PM

I would think they knew it or knew of the possibility. Rep Homer originally had this Bill reading to allow only those 65 and older to use Crossbows. Who in TPWD I do not know, but it was not until meeting with TPWD that he changed it to all age per TPWD's recommendation. As for the limits. A non factor IMHO. Adding a Crossbow as another means of take does not add extra deer tags to the license.

Posted By: Hoytman

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/02/09 02:12 AM

I dont believe for 1 minute that any more deer will die than usual during archery season and like sniper john says it doesnt add any more tags to the license. My hope is it might add a few young hunters to the fold including my son who never has liked bow hunting with me but says he might if he can get a crossbow and my daughter is interested too wich makes me happier than heck!

Posted By: Cooner

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/02/09 06:24 AM

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I also think that it is possible that a few more people will get involved in the sport that may not have otherwise. This is always good as we need more hunters to keep the sport alive and fund the necessary agencies.

But how many is too many, do we expect to allow the hunting population to grow exponentially with the human population, that won't work, with a growing hunting population and shrinking huntable ground due to increasing sprawl, is it any wonder that it is turning in to a money sport.

The main reason I like to bowhunt is that it weeds out alot of lazy ****** and allows me to hit the woods with a minimal amount of hunting pressure for a short time before the rest of the "hunters" start there season. Those days are over and you got one thing right, this is all in order to sell more archery stamps and increase revenue for the "necessary agencies".

This makes me sick to my stomach. If you are able to draw a bow, you should have to use one to hunt in October.

Posted By: Cooner

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/02/09 06:28 AM

I have a hard time controlling myslef on this topic but I will try. If people think that more animals won't be wounded they are either naive or blind. The truth is that this year many hunters will take to the woods for the first time with equipment that requires pinpoint accuracy to be lethal, they will test the boundaries of this new equipment and will wound more animals. They may get better next year, but this year will see an increased number of animals wounded.

Posted By: Hoytman

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/02/09 02:39 PM

Cooner any time you have a increase in hunters there will be a increase in wounded animals. I dont use a crossbow and prefer my compound and as stated above many times it takes more skill to harvest game with a bow than a crossbow so your argument has no base, and your thinking about not recruiting new hunters will ruin our sport faster than any peta group ever will. New hunters in the sport is the only thing that matters, ask any dad or grandfather trying to pass on the knowledge to the next generation. The only thing that disgusts me is bowhunters not willing to share a season with others that want to hunt and there predjudice against a weapon that has no great advantage over the other. If you cant draw on a deer with a bow then you need to practice more or something because i have used a bow for 20 years and never had a problem drawing on a deer and knowing when to draw and when not to.

Posted By: Redneck_Hunter

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/02/09 05:35 PM

As I stated, I'm still on the fence with crossbows. To a degree, I agree with both Cooner & Hoytman. I just feel that introducing crossbows while also allowing an increased number of doe days, and adding a muzzleloader season is a little excessive. Your right about not increasing the number of tags, but there's no doubt that the number of does killed this year will be a huge increase over the past years. I know there's some that will say that's a good thing, but I think it all depends on the area of the state that were talking about. I hunt in East Texas, and I do believe we need to increase our doe harvest slightly, but I feel this will be an extreme increase because of all the changes I mentioned. Hopefully I'm wrong. Time will tell. I would like to see TPW add some restrictions to the crossbows. What about those hunters who hunt public land? Will they now have to wear hunter orange because of the increased number of hunters in the woods with crossbows? Who knows? But these are the things the state will need to consider before just saying that Xbows will be open to everyone and everywhere during archery season.

Posted By: Hoytman

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/02/09 08:11 PM

REDNECK-HUNTER how many doe days are they gonna have this year in hopkins county? I know we have 4 during thanksgiving.

Posted By: huntandfish

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/04/09 06:08 PM

The bill is done and TP&W dept. can't do anything about a amended law. They just give the gov. info so he can have whatever info he has to have to make decisions. It will become a amended law on Aug 1. They can't touch anything enacted by the Texas Governor. The only thing I might enjoy is being able to fish and hunt more, by not having to pratice shooting my Compound bow so much. At first I was against it, but after thinking about it. I decided to embrace crossbow hunting. I'm fixing to order me a excaliber recurve x-bow. All crossbows are pretty loud, but shooting 30-40 yards should'nt be a problem. The TP&W webpage link is just a comment page, just to make everyone against it feel happy that they got to voice a few opinions, no that it mattered!!

Posted By: Redneck_Hunter

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/06/09 05:29 PM

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REDNECK-HUNTER how many doe days are they gonna have this year in hopkins county? I know we have 4 during thanksgiving.

Here are the changes that I was referring to. I didn't see any mention of Hopkins County.

Commission Adopts Sweeping Changes to Deer Regulations

Posted By: bonecollector

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/07/09 12:30 AM

I have both a compound bow and a crossbow. they have their advages and disadvanges,but during archery season I hunt with my bow because I like the challenage.
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Posted By: Cooner

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/16/09 10:11 PM

It's official! BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Posted By: hun73r

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/16/09 11:16 PM

One last thing: you want bow season to remain for bows only because xbows require very little commitment makes a huge assumption. You are assuming that "ALL" bow hunters practice for hours on end and that is just not the case. There are many who only get their bow out 2 days before season and take a few shots. I am not saying they are right, but saying that bow season is a reward for the sacrifice and dedication is not correct either. If they made you take a proficiency test before you got to hunt with a bow then the point would be taken, but they only do that to hunt in HWMA.

As for adding hunters to the fold, I for one think this is very important. Right now the number of hunters in the field is on the decline due to shifts in priorities and interests and lack of passing on the tradition. "More deer for me" you say, well not exactly. If hunters continue to decline then the agencies that support hunting and the organizations that support hunting will have funding issues and the organizations against hunting will win out. In the short term it will be fewer people in the woods, but in the long term the antis would have the larger voice and win out.

The best thing you can do for the sport is support any and all legal methods of game harvest and take a kid (yours or otherwise) or a friend hunting. Sure there are more people enjoying the sport, but it is called "hunting" and not killing for a reason.

Remember the old camping mantra "Leave it better than you found it" and I think that applies to the sport and the land we hunt on.

Posted By: passthru

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 05:28 AM

Hunting is fulfilling but at some point I'm in it for the kill. I eat the meat or get it to someone who needs it. I fish tournaments to catch fish and thus most of my fishing is or at least for tournaments. Not referring to cross bow hunters here but. . . I don't "need" any "more" hunters for numbers sake. The dumb drunken fools who play cards and drink all night, get to stand late in the morning and wound, miss and shoot up stuff cause it's the cool thing to do aren't hunters anyhow. More hunters, okay. More of the idiots who are a menace to committed out doors people and land owners alike not needed. Supply and demand. Too many folks vying for land to hunt on is a problem and is driving up costs. It is also irritating the heck out of those of us who have hunted areas most of our lives only to see some of these "new" hunters come in, shoot anything and everything that moves, and somethings that don't, and ruin what used to be good hunting. Ruin the trust of land owners we have had long term agreements with and have caused the leases to be necessary and expensive. My kids, yes as they will be taught respect and ethics. Those who don't wish to practice those things should move on.

Posted By: Quailhunter

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 07:04 AM

Crossbow hunting will not bring more new hunters in. It will provide a different weapon for existing hunters. Not one of you can honestly tell me that you think that there is a non-hunter out there that will miraculously (the passage of this bill isn't exactly on the evening news) hear about this change and say "I never wanted to hunt before but now I do!" Not gonna happen.
This is a B.S. law that does nothing but allow gun hunters to expand their season and increase profits for the crossbow industry that pushed this bill. I have nothing against gun hunters. The vast majority of my family hunt exclusively with firearms. I have said it before and I will say it again.........if you aren't willing to put in the time and effort to become proficient with a bow then you shouldn't be hunting in October. Im all for a proficiency test for archery hunters. Hell, I'm all for a proficiency test for rifle hunters as well.

Posted By: swampthang

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 12:36 PM

I agree crossbows will not convert non-hunters into hunters,nobody ever said it would.The majority of people buying xbows this fall will be rifle hunters who tried to use a bow in the past and it was "just too hard".They probably got thier forearm slapped by the string,or just couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with the thing.TPWD will be more than happy to take those people's money for the archery stamp.The other scenario is every year about this time(late summer)some yahoo notices in the hunting guide he can start deer hunting october 1st,all he has to do is buy a bow.So off he goes to the nearest Wally World or pawn shop.Shoots the bow a few times and he's good to go! TPWD will be more than happy to take that guys money too for the stamp. Sure enough opening day the guy winds up shooting a deer in the arse,or missing altogether.(hopefully).I know because I did the same thing over 25 years ago.If I had a dollar for every time that happens I could retire.

Posted By: swampthang

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 12:48 PM

Oh and for the record,even tho I'm a bowhunter myself,modern-day compound bow shooters are waaaay too pompous and full of themselves.Compared to other sports/games,bowhunting actually takes very little skill to master.A little harder to master than rifle hunting,but compared to other sports/games...piece of cake.Crossbows are fine,bring em on.

Posted By: jodster

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 04:22 PM

Crossbows might not increase hunters but will allow gun hunters to hunt bow season, there for increasing the number of bow hunters. I also worry about people thinking any kind of crossbow will kill a deer, hopefully restrictions will be in place and people will check and follow them. I hunt stateland were rules and restrictions are tough and seen a lot of people hunting that don't even know the rules (stateland rules are different than county).

Posted By: SingleShot85

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 05:40 PM

Holly Shi't "bow hunter" are almost as whinny as ropers......... and as swampthing mentioned shooting a bow is not that difficult, in fact it is the easiest sport to qualify for in the olympics.

I've seen this song and dance before when compound bow were new on the sceen, aslo with sights, also with mechanical releases.... then there is tha damn gizmo that locks the bow sting back, crap turn it on its side and glue a broom stick to the frame and whala its a crossbow.

STOP THE MADNESS.........

Posted By: jdickey

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 05:51 PM

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Posted By: hun73r

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 06:35 PM

Found this interesting article on the web:

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Sorry hun73r,
I had to remove the article you cut and pasted. It violates the forum rules.

13. Do not copy and paste articles from other publications to this site. It is a COPYRIGHT VIOLATION to do so. If you want to reference an article on another web site, post a link.

But I did know where you cut and pasted it from so here is the original.

http://www.hunting-fishing-gear.com/article-display/1737.html

Posted By: kyotee1

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/17/09 06:39 PM

Won one a few years back and plan on using it this Archery Season. Looking forward to my first, well second Archery Season this year. My first was back in 1989 when I got my first compound...then had an accident and no longer could draw my bow back.

Posted By: passthru

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/18/09 02:44 AM

What's the interesting part of that article? The fact that it agrees with your point of view or that many of the "facts" listed are anything but fact? I can always find a study to support or refute a point of view. Fact is I don't care what you do as long as it is legal and ethical. Stay safe and pic a spot.

Posted By: hun73r

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/18/09 08:23 PM

I did not say that I agree with the article, just found it interesting. Which "fact" is anything but a fact? The article was based on ballistic tests (factual and scientific), studies by a government organization with 30+ years of crossbow hunting from the general populace, etc. I agree with you in that it does not matter what method is used as long as it is legal, but I hate to see the fear and loathing spread by people just based on the fact that they do not like the method.

Back in the day the same arguments against crossbows were made against compound bows from the so-called "purists" of the bow hunting world. I bow hunt but I also pick up my rifle when that season is open and now I will also use a crossbow.

Heck, I even pick up a fly rod to fish with every once and awhile, but I do not slight the guy next to me who is using a spinning rod like so many fly fishermen do. Snobbery and elitism really get my goat and I guess that is why I have posted so much on this one topic.

I will continue to use my bow as well as all the other legal methods of harvesting animals and I support everyone else that does the same. Good luck to all this season and take someone with you into the woods.

Posted By: Quailhunter

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/20/09 02:59 AM

Why don't you post a link to the "article" so everyone can see where it came from. My best guess is that it came from the same place that this bill came from.........the crossbow industry.

Posted By: hun73r

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/20/09 06:27 AM

I believe that the ballistics information and the information about the crossbow did in fact come from the crossbow industry. I cannot find the article again, but I think it was information provided from the president of 10 point crossbows, David P. Robb. I could find a book about crossbow hunting that has the same statements in it and references him:

Google Book - Excerpt

I wonder which statements seem to have no validity or are far from "factual"??

Michael Budzik, who is quoted for the rest of the article, is not from the crossbow industry but from the DOW in Ohio.

Can you post a link the the "article" that says the bill came from the crossbow industry? The bill was introduced by Mark Homer who had an older friend that asked him to introduce the change due to not being able to draw a bow but also not considered disabled. It was originally intended to be for ages 65 and over and TPWD actually suggested that it be opened for all ages. Here is link referencing the reason he introduced the bill: Slugs and Plugs Post

Does the crossbow industry support the passage of this bill? You bet they do, but I do not believe they were the driving force and it has yet to be shown to be so.

At the end of the day I am not really sure how this would effect a bow hunter that does not want crossbows where he/she hunts. If you do not include submerged coastal lands in the tally then 94.3% of land in Texas is privately held. Which means that more than the majority of the hunters in Texas hunt on a lease or their own land so they can control the harvest methods.

Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/20/09 07:45 AM

It seems many of the negatives presented against crossbows. Accuracy, ease of use, increased harvest, more hunters in the woods, really could be looked at as positives if one looks at hunting as game management.

Besides if we wanted to use mastering the hunting tool as a prerequisite for archery hunting then the season would have to be limited to traditional only.

It really is too late to argue the point now anyway. The season is here. No state with a crossbow season has ever removed that season. No state has had to change bag limits due to crossbow usage. When I made my calls before this bill passed, the feedback I got from the call takers was that they were receiving strong support of the bill. It was hunters, not industry that put the backbone behind it to get such a strong push on it before the final votes.
It is here to stay gentlemen.

I bow hunted for 5 years before I ever owned a deer rifle. My first deer was with a bow. I still bow hunt each year, but I also rifle hunt. Some hunts during bow season I use a rifle for hunting feral hogs. Some rifle seasons I will hunt deer with a bow. And this bow season, at different times you will find me with a any of a rifle, bow, or crossbow depending on what I feel like doing that day and what I am hunting. As long as one masters his choice of weapon and stays within it's limits, none of the options are unethical. It is simply a personal choice. Nothing more.

Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Bow vs. Crossbow - 07/20/09 08:04 AM

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........then 94.3% of land in Texas is privately held. Which means that more than the majority of the hunters in Texas hunt on a lease or their own land so they can control the harvest methods.

And all public land will not automatically allow crossbows.
For example Texas Corps properties have always allowed crossbows for deer and hog by regulation but with the wording "unless prohibited at specific lakes". Most corps properties specifically prohibit crossbows. I don't think you will see that change. The hunting manager for one of those corps properties has already stated they do not intend to allow crossbows. And of the ones that do currently allow crossbows, some do not allow deer hunting anyway.

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