cinnamon creek ranch

Lost my business for good today. I'll stick with Smithfield for work on my bow. Then go shoot out at Cowtown from now on.

Little more detail than that is needed. Why did they loose your business?

Walter

Wanted my bow paper tuned. Said it would cost $65 and they keep it overnight. Didn't think someone else could paper tune your bow. Also bought some arrows at Cabelas today and had them cut at CCR. I noticed the fletchings were bent from being in a box. Asked if they had a heat gun or hair dryer to straight them so I could shoot them while I was there. They asked if I bought them there and I said no I got them at Cabelas. The guy said they couldn't help me with that . Told me I could fix them at home with a hair dryer and just walked away. Then they even tried to charge me for the arrows when I went to pay for having them cut.

Drove the 30 minutes to Smithfield and they had no problem straightening the fletchings for me.

Yes someone else can paper tune your bow, tuning has nothing to do with your shooting style and has everything to do with your nock, rest and arrow.

Frankly, going in somewhere and expecting people to provide free labor on something you bought somewhere else is a very high expectation unless you are a very good customer. I would have been embarrassed to even ask them to cut them for me.

Smithfield had no problem fixing my problem. Not one time did I say I expected it for free. I would of been happy to pay for it but wasn't even given that opportunity.

I disagree with you on someone rise can paper tune your bow correctly. They can get close but not exact. Isn't exact what your are wanting when you paper tune? Their grip or release can vary from what you shoot.


What's wrong with taking arrows to them to cut? I bought the arrows with a gift card I had from Christmas. So basically you're saying you would be embarrassed to take a mower you bought from Sears to a mower shop to have the blade sharpened?

The only way to correctly paper tune is to have a shooting machine and take human error out of the equation. Do you have one, I don't, but most shops do.

C abelas can cut arrows.

This is because I paper tune my bow in my back yard. Your bow needs to be tuned to your shooting. Paper tuning is not only a great tool for your bow but a great tool to help you identify issues with your form.

I agree that it might rub a tech at a shop the wrong way if you bring in stuff bought elsewhere and want them to work on it but that's what they get paid to do. I've had cams changed, arrows cut to length, new strings installed and new equipment installed on bows at shops the bows weren't bought at. And that includes Cinnamon Creek. Yes those things are paid for, and I expect to pay for any service I receive. Doesn't matter if it's a bow or car or appliance. Cinnamon Creek has not given me any reason not to use them but Smithfield has not either. And I always get treated like an individual customer at Smithfield. Sometimes Cinnamon Creek is too busy to do that. So I try to pick my times. They have a very nice shop with lot's of toys to choose from. If you had a tech treat you that way talk to the owner. I'm sure he won't think it's okay.

So do I passthru, and walk back tune. Then I have had bows machine tuned and hmm my groups shrank. You don't have to believe it, but once you start seeing your arrows same hole multiple times on a machine, pick it up and you groups shrink in half, well...

There are a lot of things machine tuning will tell you, that you will never get out of hand tuning and vice versa. The OPs statement, was no one can tune your bow but you and that flat is not true. Maybe I went over the top on my previous statement, but machine tuning is a great starting point. Perhaps the only tuning you will need as long as you don't change anything.

The again maybe I am spoiled because all of my bows were initially tuned by Jerry Reeves formerly of RBO. He has tuned bows for factory guys who make a good portion of their living doing it, but heck what do those guys know either.

Well I have to agree that a machine is more consistent than a human can ever be but the same could be said about rifle shooting. A rifle shot out of a bench vise will shoot infinitely better than I can yet I don't hunt that way. My bow and rifle are held in my hands and my flaws are built into the equation. I also agree that having your bow tuned and set up at a shop that knows what they are doing is more likely to get you to trues center shot as well as close to where you will need to be to get tuned. But I've left shops where my bow was miserably off center shot after having new strings and cables set including the OPs chosen replacement shop so in the end it's the shooters responsibility to shoot, tune and know his bow as well as the limitations of both. I just know that I bought my current bow used, took it to Cinnamon Creek for set up, mostly because Stan was on vacation at the time, and they treated me as well as I needed and did a good job setting me up. Including shooting on their paper tune corner.

Back to the original subject, I have shot at CC but never really dealt with them as far as bow or arrow work is concerned. They seemed like a good bunch of folks. I will be shooting there in April at the Rinehart. Fun event for sure.

They have helped me out each time in the past. Took one of my bows out there today for them to install a QAD rest, Spot Hogg sight, new strings and paper tune. As in the past, they were very nice to deal with.

CCR has been super to work with. They can get pretty busy though. I think it is probably all in who you deal with. Sometimes people have a bad day. Maybe the the guy was new. Personally, I am usually sensitive to asking someone to finish out something I bought elsewhere without checking with them first. But then I am not a long time bow hunter, so I am not sure what the norm is.

[/quote] If you had a tech treat you that way talk to the owner. I'm sure he won't think it's okay. [/quote]
remember the prick who owned Arlington Bow Hunting World... same prick owns CCR!

No, that guy doesn't/didn't own CCR, in fact I heard he doesn't work there any longer.

Same impression I had. Signed my son and I up for an intro class. The instructors were excellent and had the entire class warmed up, relaxed and safely shooting in no time. With helpful observations and suggestions slong the way, everyone's form and repeatability quickly improved. Good experience, will hsve to take my daughter next time, she would love it.

Afterwards we walked around the counters and tried to get our hands on a full size (non-trainer) style bow. The instructors had mentioned various makes/models that woukd work as either 'good to grow with' or a full range adjustment easy to shoot 'starter' bow. Unfortunately there was no one behind the counter to help us out. Place was jumpin and apparently max'd out for customer service so we floated on out to the parking lot.

That was when I realized that we had not signed in, out or paid for our class. I told my son we had to go back inside to take care of business. Waited in line at the register and paid our tab and inquired about the bows mentioned before. Neither model was in stock because they had been replaced by 2014 models. Not a big deal, just didn't have time at that point to pursue it any further. I decided it might be better to float in during a weekday and avoid the swarm.

His name is Ken Whit. He is a great bow tech. Customer service can be a little dry at times.

They built strings for my bow before season. Draw length was too long. Didn't notice til I got home. I called them and told them about it and they told me that they put it back to factory spec. I knew this wasn't true because I have the factory spec sheet and the draw stops were not close. I put the draw stops to the factory settings and there was very very little valley. I took it back in and suggested that they built the strings too long and was told that isn't possible. I dealt with it for the rest of the year as I didn't have time to send it to RBO.

Not a fan of the strings they put on anyway. When I took it back in they had to reserve the nocking point because it was separating after about 10 shots. The serving is wore down and flattened where it contacts both draw mods.

I've since bought a press and have the parts to build a draw board so I can work on my own stuff.

The mechanics of tuning a bow can be done by someone else. Timing, sync, lean, adjust ATA, draw stops (if applicable), rest adjustment, etc.

The part where an individual has to be involved in the process has to do with proper draw length adjustment, peep, and sight adjustment. I see a bunch of people shooting too long of a draw length pretty often. I also see some interesting form when on the line (often to compensate for improper draw length). All of that can be taken care of by working with a good coach.



As for CCR and their customer service, I agree that they could do better, especially when things get busy. I think part of the problem, is that they have too many kids up there that don't know what they are doing, so they do nothing. These kids seem to be the ones that want to argue when they don't know what else to do. I don't have much patience for that crap, and will not hesitate to talk to the manager about it. They have a handful of folks who are really amazing at getting things taken care of, and a couple of really good techs.

Ken seems to have more or less retired, I haven't seen much of him around up there in months. I dealt with him even before Arlington Bowhunting, when he was at Trophy Archery, and while he could sometimes seem a bit surly, I always got along with him pretty well. Personalities aside, there is no argument that he is a tremendous bow tech.

I use to shoot at ken's place by lake Arlington. Life's to short to deal with
Grummpies

I remember the days of Trophy archery. Still shoot the release I bought there.

Was up there for three hours today shooting five different bows. Willie and David were setting up bows and a kid named Cole??? was chatting as I shot. Good customer experience. Now I have a decision to make.

Well they have lost me and any referral I might of given them.


To each their own

-1 here too. They tried to screw me over big time. I'll avoid them like the plague.

ken was a little rude when I first met him but after being in there all the time I can say he knows his stuff. As far as ccr he left there. He was in a wreck. I sure do wish ken would open back up he was the best and taught me to shoot pretty dang good

Only issues I've ever had with CCR was some arrow I got online taking in to get fletched and cut. My dad picked em up for me when I was out of town and they hadn't been cut. Took them back down and they immediately corrected the problem. I really like Willie, he's got a lot of great info and has always been nice to us. Shot out there today and the main 3d course really needs some work but with all this crazy weather it can be expected a little

My only complaints are all 3d targets look like they've been there for four years rotting in the sun. Some components and accessories are a little high. They do get crowded and stretched a bit thin on the customer service side.

I wasn't going to mention names... He may not be the owner of ccr but...Then again I heard he had a bad accident and it changed his out look on life to!

I have used CCR for the last couple years and have had nothing but positive dealing with them. They have done thing to my bow and not charged me. I'll continue to use them and recommend them to others.

Been to CCR many of times to include today where I was waited on hand and foot. Bought a nice new setup from them and Kyle assisted majorly. I have nothing but praise for them fellas.

Not having a good experience with the processing plant there either. I took two hogs there early last month. They told me 3-4 weeks till they would be ready,this coming Monday will be 6 weeks. I called them Thursday and they said it should be next week probably. I've already moved to Houston area. So I have to make a special trip up there just to pick up my hogs when they are ready.

Nothing but good experiences at CCR. Ridiculous to expect a shop to work on junk you bought somewhere else for free.

I've used Syracuse meats many times over the years. They have gotten slow and slower. I take my meat elsewhere now if I'm having it processed. I do most of my own but if I'm giving it away I let someone else do the work.

Saturday, the wife finds a deal on GROUPON, for all day 3D archery and ranges ,blah blah blah...Happens to be CCR
but we like to shoot together so...what the Heck...walk in 1st thing to 2 "zero experience kids" working counter, everybody else was just flat rude, and could careless they even had a customer. The Zoo Range had 6 3D targets out of 25, half had hole clean thru the 10/12spot, next range was creek, no 3d targets at all, flats bunch of bag targets...almost as good as our home. Shot What we could anyways...went back to shop, all Cold drinks were hot, and was told there was a store 5 miles back! That chapped her butt good! So she continues to browse for her retail therapy, and after asking couple of questions for help and Professional opinions, she catches Mr ProJerk, huffing puffing and made rude comment to his helpless kid employees... Needless to say I got the look.. that made it worse cause she got the I told you so!! She spoke her mind of coarse, about the time 12/15 other customers walked in!! LOL.. I CANT WAIT FOR THEM TO FOLD UNDER!! My 2nd time and last I promise...that includes tourneys and events....See ya in Indy CCR...@ATA show

used it as range only... take it or leave it as far as the rest. I'll say this once they had seen me a few times at the Tuesday night deal and I was familiar it was a whole different world... Prices were ok, but nothing super.

I'll say this, seem like good guys but I never let them do anything to my bow but fix a d-loop that blew up while I was there...

I'm a pigeon road guy

I would be embarrassed from buying a mower at Sears to start with

So you don't like Craftsman mowers?

Went to CCR again for yet another bow. I had a total of four guys help me on and off throughout the day. I shot at their request not mine nearly every brand of bow in the shop, and I am glad I did. These guys were busy all day last Friday yet never left me feeling like I didn't matter. It took me forever to test drive my new equipment, and they were patient enough to change draw lengths, bows, add rests and peeps to bows that were bare so I could try this, and try that. I went through six or seven releases of different types and different brands, they set the new bow up and went so far even as busy as it was to take the time to give me pointers on setting up my new sight (Hogg Father dial-able sight) which could be a bear with their instructions. This is the fourth bow in 5 years I have bought from them, and I think this is yet again the best service I have had.

No, I find that front wheel drive is kind of out of style, although I know they have some newer rear drive, but the ones that I looked at had so many gadgets that made the price higher. Add to that that you had to get parts from Sears- and that may have changed by now.

So I went in a few weeks ago. I know nothing about bows, looking for my first one.

I was helped buy a younger guy who to be honest didn't have all the answers. But he brought others in as need. I found them helpfully.


I used to work in a small business and it is helpful to have lower cost employees dealing with tire kickers. A lot of people come in just to talk...

They should have a new bow tech soon.

Did the same thing. Went in because I've now got the bow hunting itch and they took their time with me. Let me shoot 5 or 6 bows to see which one I liked and then started narrowing it down. Eventually I chose the one I liked and they spent another hour getting it ready and set up for me. Then we went upstairs and they spent an hour sighting it in with me. VERY impressed and will probably be spending a lot of money there in the future.

Did you apply for the job?

Come see me today.

I need to get back up there and get the break in re-tune done on my Elite. But I also have to finish installing a toilet and door. Trim some branches. Cut some angle to length. Hopefully get some welding done.

Congrats

That is incorrect and he doesn't even work there any longer.

Where is Ken ?

Ken was an a pretty bad car wreck and retired. Two really good friendly bow techs along with myself now.

I understand they nay sayers about Ken. He could be less than a sweet talker. The reality is though he was a great bow tech for many years. He loved archery and bowhunting his whole life and from the time he was at Trophy he has been a well respected bow tech in this area. If I had to choose between a really nice fella who was an average bow tech and an a hole who is a great bow tech to work on my $1500 investment I would deal with the jerk. Now I may rather share a hunting camp or cold beer with the other guy. There are some good guys at CCR. Not all of them are equal in their knowledge and capabilities, but I haven't walked away unsatisfied yet.

I thought Ken was a great Tech. Wish him the best in his recovery. Yes, sometimes abrasive but he knew how to work on a bow.

I have been to CCR when he was around and when he was not. Always treated very well at CCR. My nephew bought a bow from CCR and Ken a couple years ago. Bought one from CCR a month ago from CCR. Nothing but good things to say. Store is well stocked and I have no complaints about the work they performed for me.

I don't expect any shop to work for free and would never ask them to do so. Great experience every time I have been in the shop.