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Any Garand fans out there...

Posted By: T Bone

Any Garand fans out there... - 08/26/14 03:04 AM

Who has one? I picked one up last week & don't know all that much about it.. Was hoping someone could point me towards some good resources to learn more about it.. Heard you're not supposed to shoot modern 30.06 ammo through it unless the gas valve is adjusted?

Learn me on what you know!! Throw up some pics if you have them..
Posted By: Earl

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 08/26/14 03:22 AM

Too much to fit into a single post. I know a bit about them. Have collected them off and on some over the years. Most tests have shown that when you use an adjustable gas plug, that the rifles work with the same settings for 150gr military ball as they do for 150gr soft points. So while I wouldn't recommend a steady diet of it you won't hurt the gun if you shoot 150gr soft point loads in it some. Aimsurplus has been selling 150gr ball Privi Partizan made specifically for the Garand. And the best source of ammo for it is the CMP - Civilian Marksmanship Program. They sell 200 round cans of Greek HXP Ball ammo for $118.

The best online place for information on the M1 is the CMP Forumns. Google it and you'll find them. As for books, you can't beat Scott Duff's M1 Garand books on WW2 and Post War Garands. His datasheet pocketbook accompanies me to every gunshow.

If you have any specific questions, post up or feel free to PM me.

Earl
Posted By: tth_40

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 08/26/14 03:46 AM

For starters, read here:

http://www.garandgear.com/

And here:

http://www.garandgear.com/m1garand/detail/33-springs-and-things/flypage/75-ported-gas-plug?sef=hcfp

I am not affiliated with the site in any way. It's just a good place to find some misc. info and parts for the Garand.
Posted By: centurion2000

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 08/31/14 06:24 AM

Obviously there are the CMP boards to learn from http://forums.thecmp.org/
Also there is Shuff's forum to look at as well. This guy is a WIZARD with restoring and modifying the Garand
http://forum.shuffsparkerizing.com/forum.php


Definitely pick up an adjustable gas plug.
Garand Gear makes a good one that drops the port pressure on stock Garands
Another one to look at will be the Schuster DCM Adjustable Gas Plug [I have that one and will be getting the Garand Gear one to test]
That allows you to shoot ultra heavies and hot ammo out of a Garand.

For anyone that thinks that the Garand cannot handle 65,000 psi ammo feel free to look at this link.

Hatcher's Notebook
Page 215

Quote:
Mr Garand wanted to test the strength of his receiver and bolts. He used high pressure cartridges beyond 50,000 at 5K increments. At 120,000 lbs (2.4 times the design limit) the left bolt lug started to crack. He took the cracked bolt and receiver and fired an additional 5,000 regular M2 rounds without any further damage to the weapon. Hatcher states that the Garand is the strongest service rifle period.


And this is also why an adjustable gas plug is recommended
[open it all the way out and it is a single shot. start turning it closed until it cycles your superduper ammo of choice. It also becomes useful if you rebarrel the Garand to 35 Whelen or 9.3x62 and want a semi auto big game rifle.

Then there are some other mods you can do.

M14.CA sells some replacements for the rear sight [if you like reflex sights] and scope mounts.
RD mount [I have one, works well but has high cheek weld, my chin rests on my thumb but oh it's FAST grin ]


MRD : NOTE JPOINT specific (I know, I bought the wrong reflex sight for it]


CASM mount

I have one I can sell you if you want (not a fan of it on my stuff, YMMV of course)

Also you can put a scout rail on it. Ultimak or Amega (google them). An ultimak is on my to-get list

Ultimak on top [lower profile]
Amega on bottom




You can also modify the clip ejection with a Holbrook device
http://m1thumbsaver.com/



I have one on my Mini-G and it rocks.



Now let's talk about ammo carriers. Carrying clips can be a real PITA with the wrong gear.
As you can see you can get a two clip mount for the stock.

Olangapo Outfitters makes carriers for ammo
Grab and Go (carries 96 rounds, about $70, worth EVERY penny)


[He also makes the stock side-saddle]

Cartidge belts are an option
$29.95 on Amazon (search and find them)


Another alternate is to use an M203 vest. I got one on ebay for $18 bucks (YMMV) but it will hold 22 en bloc clips of ammo.
There are 24 slots for grenades but two of them will be blank because of the clips and fitting them on the vest.
http://operationeastwind.com/wiki/images/1/12/M79vest.jpg

Finally, let's talk en bloc clips.


https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000577&dir=
Best source and price I have been able to find.
Spend a couple hundred bucks and pick up 200 or so which might be a lifetime supply for most folks.

What's the advantage to an en bloc clip? They NEVER lose tension and you can keep ammo ready to go for decades. Learn en bloc drill for reloading.

Hope all this helps.

Disclosure: No financial stake in any of the above companies.

I have more knowledge but that has to do with ammo types and varies depending on what you want to shoot.

Other things we can talk about, Garand variant calibers.

  • 35 Whelen
  • 9.3x62
  • 270 Winchester
  • 8mm Mauser
  • 7x64 Brenneke


And there there's the 1918 BAR mag fed Garand.

My current personal mad science project is trying to figure out how to make a 30/375 Ruger Garand
[Which does 3200 fps 180gr pill or 3000fps 208gr A-Max .... or maybe even a .223 sabot 55gr/62gr at 4800/4500fps]


And then there are mil-dot scout scope choices, custom stocks, cast boolit options, AP ammo selection [which is federally exempt BTW]

Final thought: A Garand in the right hands is an absolutely BRUTAL weapon compared to an AR.
Posted By: T Bone

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 08/31/14 11:23 PM

Very, very good info! Thanks for the PM's & posts... I have much to learn..
Posted By: thedoveshooter

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/01/14 01:16 AM

I've got one (1955 HRA) and I have a Springfield on the way (should be here Wednesday!). IT absolutely the best shooting rifle I have. I joy to shoot. Its amazing how well one can shoot one of these with just open sights, if you do your part of course!





100 yds, sitting position, rapid-fire using handloads.


I haven't used an adjustable plug. I just replicate the government M2 load and have at it. I've kept mine original. I'm a purist I guess.

Have fun!
Posted By: tth_40

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/01/14 03:10 AM

I have the gas plugs from Garand Gear in the ones I shoot, they work as advertised. No issues out of any of them with any milsurp or commercial ammo I've used.

I also definitely recommend the Holbrook device.
Posted By: centurion2000

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/01/14 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: thedoveshooter
I'm a purist I guess.

grin All good. I used to be a purist.

Then I started researching what German Salazar was able to do with his 30-06 rounds. smile
Posted By: thedoveshooter

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/05/14 03:03 AM

My second Garand will be here tomorrow! Looks like a 5.36 million and a six digit are coming. I ordered two, but one is for my dad. Hopefully I can snag that six digit!
Posted By: NTXBowfisher

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/05/14 01:16 PM

Posted By: NTXBowfisher

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/05/14 01:17 PM

anybody shoot M2AP?
Posted By: thedoveshooter

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/06/14 02:07 AM

Here's my recent 5.36 mil Springfield. 5/65 LEAD rebuild with a 1/65 SA barrel. I need to clean her up and make her look nice tomorrow!

Posted By: T Bone

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/06/14 02:23 AM

Very nice! When does the 6 digit arrive?
Posted By: thedoveshooter

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/06/14 03:33 AM

Originally Posted By: T Bone
Very nice! When does the 6 digit arrive?


My dad took that one. He wanted something with a little history. Here's a pic of it though:

Posted By: NTXBowfisher

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/06/14 01:32 PM

are yall getting these through CMP? how hard is that?
Posted By: Tactical Cowboy

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/06/14 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: NTXBowfisher
are yall getting these through CMP? how hard is that?
Not.
Posted By: thedoveshooter

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/07/14 06:10 AM

Yes. Pretty simple. Need to be in a shooting club (Texas State Rifle Association works), participate in a shooting event or training, have proof of citizenship, and be able to pass the background check.
Posted By: Mook

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/14/14 04:31 PM

Tag
Posted By: centurion2000

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/15/14 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: NTXBowfisher
anybody shoot M2AP?


I do, what do you want to know about it?
Posted By: tth_40

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/15/14 01:49 AM

Latest Service Grade (SA) addition to the herd. Added new Holbrook Device and Garand Gear ported gas plug. She likes M2 and REALLY likes Rem. 150 grain Core Lokts.





I love the CMP. grin
Posted By: tth_40

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/15/14 02:39 AM

A couple more.

CMP SA CG.


CMP HRA SG. Rough stock but one of the better shooters in the herd.
Posted By: Loaded

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/15/14 04:18 AM

FYI, having a CHL satisfies the 'Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity'. For the CMP affiliated club membership, I joined the GCA. So for anyone that already has a CHL, all you have to do is join a club to order a Garand from CMP.
Posted By: rentzington

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 09/15/14 11:09 AM

i have been meaning to order from CMP for quite some time even filled out the form and just needed it notarized and never did it, now its a 2-6month wait for service grade ouch
Posted By: T Bone

Re: Any Garand fans out there... - 10/12/14 09:00 PM

Pics soon of my 6 digit Springfield.. Appreciate everyone's info!
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