Scope Mount Issues :Maxed Out Windage

have been having some issues with my Remington 700 with my Leupold VX-II 3X9X40 scope. I'll try to summarize everything that has happened and get your opinions.

I've had this setup for 3 years and had been "dead on" for 3 yrs. (Or so I thought) The end of last year, I missed a bobcat from 100 yds broadside and didn't think anything of it, In May I missed another hog broadside 75 yds and knew something was up at that point.

Early June: I shot around 20 rounds and initially didn't hit paper. I clicked my windage dial unitl it maxed out and my POI (Point of Impact) ended up 5-6 inches "RIGHT" from POA (Point of Aim). I was no longer able to make any more adjustments and stuck with a gun that was shooting 5 inches to the right. All my groups were 1 inch MOA, and allowed plenty of time for barrel to cool.

June: Decided it was the Leupolds fault and sended it in. They replaced the windage knobs and corrected the issue on their end.

July: Tried bore sighting it and I couldn't get it to correct it self again. I then was fed up with it and took it to a GunSmith. He tried bore sighting it and Leveling it out on a gun vice. He was 6 inches to the right also and recommended me send it in again (this time with a written letter from him stating exactly the MOA, POA, POI, etc....

Late August: Got the scope back and sent it back to the gun smith. He was able to get it "close" in the shop and decided to take it out to the range to fine tune things. He maxed out AGAIN!!! this time 4 inches to the right (better but not perfect)

Today: Today I go to pick up the gun and he tells me to send it back again or either try returning it to Academy and getting another brand. I forgot that Academy takes things back so easily so I went that option. No questions asked, I exchanged it for a Zeiss Conquest 3X9X40 even though I bought the Leupold 3 yrs ago. Way to go Academy! I thought all was good....

This afternoon: I went back to the gun shop after work and stuck around to make sure the bore sighting issue would be corrected. I was furious as I saw him clicking and clicking. I thought it was Leupolds fault all along, but its obviously something else.

The only other two options are that my scope rings got bent, or that the pre-drilled holes from Remington were slightly off to begin with.

He ordered some better scope rings and we are trying that option first. I am worried that it is the holes that are not aligned properly though!! I figured I would have caught this problem alot sooner if it was that though? How easy is it to bend scope rings? I figured they would be pretty sturdy? I have been dealing with this issue since June and gun season will sneak up on me before you know it!

Are there any scope bases or rings that have windage adjustements? I'm furious as I continue to throw money into this gun and still no answers!

Sorry for the rant, but maybe this will help others in the future. I have googled and found that Remington 700 models are not "UNCOMMON" to have actually had the holes NOT drilled properly. Who knows!

Opinions Welcomed.

Yes! I like the leupold ones.


Notice on this pic there are screws on each side of the mount in the rear. This adjusts the windge. I suprised the person mounting the scope didnt tell you this.

good to know, I may have to end up getting that base.

Usually when i bore sight mine i keep the scope windage in the center and use those screws to bore sight it.

But these type of mounts will fix your problem. I had an employee at one time at academy mount my scope. same deal as you. he said the screws were off center and i needed to send the gun back to remington. (I was replacing a scope on my granddads rifle that had been there since 1962) I kept telling him those screws adjusted windage. He kept blowing me off. Till I finally till finally an employee walked by that knew wtf he was doing.

+1, that's the answer!

David

this makes me question the quality of the gunsmith i took it to.

This seems fairly easy to do myself!

do they have these at academy or gander mountain?

Me too.

yes and yes

thanks for the help guys!

I should be able to fix it now after hearing this...

I can't believe leupold wouldn't have asked about your base situation

Great advice above.

I suggest Loc tite with the blue tube kind before you tighten with a torque wrench.

I had mine come loose on an antelope hunt last year. Not fun. Make sure when you tighten the windage screw IT stays with loc tite. Should save you headaches later on.

Hope you get it fixed.

Burris has the same setup, I have them on 2 of my guns.
Burris also has offset insert rings to put into their special scope rings to correct a multitude of issues.
http://swfa.com/Remington-C2028.aspx

If needed I use Loc tite Purple 222.
Purple 222 is for #2 ~ 1/4" fasteners, it is non wicking and contains a lubricity agent that ensures accurate torque readings on small fasteners also it's compatible with dissimilar metals .

Blue 242 is for fasteners 1/4" ~ 3/4", using it on smaller fasteners will cause false torque readings.
It contains a wicking agent that can cause it to flow into places it shouldn't be in. If used on dissimilar metals it can cause corrosion.

Good info. didnt know. I been using the blue for ever.

This is some good stuff, thanks again.

I am also suprised that Leupold didn't suggest the base as well after sending it back twice!

After all, its their product!

I almost extensively use leo bases for this very reason. A little purple loc-tite and you should not ever have to mess with it again (unless you want to)