Serious safety issue with the 700 last night.

I went out last night looking for pigs I didnt see any so I decided to start calling for some yotes not even 5 minutes into my calling a good size yote came in. I got my optics mounted and the rifle in position I had my left hand on the forearm like I always do and my right hand I was using my index finger and thumb at the same time to release the safety and disaster struck the damn rifle went off!!!! Has anybody ever had this happen to them im really tempted to send this rig back to remington for a replacement the rifle is brand new with probably 150 rds down the tube

Model 700 XHR in 30.06

I have been one of the biggest Remington Loyalist, and have never had any issue's with any of my 700's but Im hearing way to many stories like yours recently to feel comfortable using them anymore.

So what you are saying is you missed the Yote!

Yep, there was an hour long expose on one of the cable channels about this very issue. I though it was the usual anit gun propogand but apprently this probelm has been around for a very long time. Showed a lot of military sniper rifles going off accidently so its sure not user error or lack of cleaning. I have a 30 year old 700 that is my go to gun and while I have it down for the season I am installing a Timney trigger in it, which solves the flaw in the factory trigger. In 30 years of shootin this rifle I have never had an issue but its time to be sure I dont. Remington wont fix the rifle. With older rifles, all they will do is make it where the bolt will open with the safety still on.

Scary stuff guys never in my life I expected this to happen to me and it did very scary and im seriously putting this rig up before something bad happens!

Wow. Glad everything turned out ok. Has the trigger been modified in any way?

Have you adjusted the trigger or had any work done to it?

The trigger has never been toyed with and the rifle has been out of the stock once! Im really upset with this right now its such a great rig and never thought I would have an issue with it.

10 million remington fans prove this couldn't have happened Anthony. Seriousy though put that thing up for now. If you need rifle to use give me a call.

Its up DD I have another rig here to use thanks man

X2

Vanguard will be along shortly to help train-wreck this thread.
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Im no mood for BS the gun went off on its own what do you think happen to the yote!!!

Killer, does this rifle have the new X Mark pro trigger or the old style?

If it was gun change out trigger and keep on keepin on, I personally have still not ever had an issue, no doubting you but even if I had an issue I would change out trigger and roll on, I never point a rifle in the direction of something other than my target with round in pipe so only issue I would ever have would be a miss. You should take it to a smith like doc's gun shot and see what he finds so we can all hear it an opinion from a smith alot of use, did you buy new? Or is it possible that someone else could have attempted to adjust trigger, just saying first thing I do, wouldn't even want to hunt with the heavy triggers from factory

Who's the other guy here that had a new Remington go off at the smith? I was sure it was only the old ones.

Yes sir its the new model with the X mark adjustable trigger and is still set at 3 1/2 pounds from the factory.

I found a video but im sure its about the older remi's I havent watched the whole thing yet but check out the reporter with his finger on trigger wow!

Not good at all, glad nobody got hurt. I'd be sending it back to the factory if it were me. I'm sure they will make it right, especially with them being on the hot seat for similar stories here recently. Let us know how it turns out.

3.5lbs from the factory ??? Never in my life have I seen a factory rifle leave at 3.5 lbs. More like 8 or 9 lbs?

It ran to the hills , it ran for its life...

Overview:
When our triangular barrel contour made its debut in varmint/target weight on the Model 700™ VTR, it was deemed one of the most innovative barrel designs conceived. We’re proud to unveil its big-game evolution, the Model 700 XHR (Xtreme Hunting Rifle), firmly seated atop the food chain with the renowned accuracy and supreme strength of our Model 700 action as its foundation. Pick it up, and the first thing you’ll notice is the impeccable balance. With a magnum contour barrel crafted in our patent-pending triangular formation, the rifle seems to point itself. This barrel design allows us to shave weight while maintaining the rigidity of a traditional round barrel. And the weight that remains is in all the right places. Plus, its surface area facilitates rapid cooling for more accurate followup shots. Not that you’ll need them. Like all new Model 700s, the XHR features our new externally adjustable X-Mark Pro® trigger system that comes set from the factory with 3 1/2 lbs. pull, and can be easily fine-tuned to your preference – by you.

Contact Remington, send in rifle have them fix it, done.

I'd replace it with a Jewel instead of another factory trigger.

If you've lost confidence in the rifle drop it off at my house, I'll put it out of your misery.

if my memory isn't failing me it was deewayne w/ an XHR as well.

Thats scary right there. Glad nothing bad happened. I could definately see how something like that could make you lose all faith in a gun. I have one with the xmark trigger ive never fired but have it turned down to 2lbs. Might have to order a timney today for it.

These Rimingtons going off have been discussed to a lengthy discussion.I looked but I cant find it and Remington has known about this bs for a long time but refused to do a recall.I'll do some more searching to see if I can find that thread in another discussion.Glad to hear everything turned out good Killer and I would also be shook up myself.

Is that something specific to that model, and I am not stirrig I wanna know I have alot of factory triggers in my rifles? I have never seen an xmark at 3.5 from factory

Its a Chevy er I mean a Remington what do you expect??

I just checked Remington.com. Says all of the 700's with xmark pro triggers are leaving the factory set at 3.5lbs.

Change trigger, just wondering who adjust them down before they are installed? Cause somebody is changing them from the normal 8 to 9, I dunno but I may be looking at jewels .

12 XCRs we tried out over Christmas ranged from 3.48-3.55, but first thing we do it dump the trigger.

I just bought one in December and it more in 8lb range and we adjusted down to 3.5 on scale It was just a 700 not this model who knows maybe easier to change em and go on down the road

Quality control issue.

Gotta be specific to those models the adl was nowhere near 3.5

Daughter .243 also has xmark it started out as sps and it is around 8 from factory, who knows anymore, guess it is like trucks or anything else good one and bad ones. Just always remember safety. I have never seen it, hate to hear it killer, just like to find out why?

Do all of the newer Rem 700's have X-mark pro triggers? I have a basic 700 made in 2007. Sorry I'm asking on here, I can't access Remminton's website at work. This thread has me all worried about my rifle now. I always thought the issue was only the older rifles. Has anyone every heard of the misfirings happening while the safety was still on?

All of the accidental discharges that I have read about on here happen when flipping from Safety to fire position.

Killer......I wouldn't change anything out on that rifle. I would boz it and send it back to Remy. Write a note that says "I demand a Savage!"

By Gawd, thats funny right there.

last year i sold a new model 700 7mm-08 because i had it go off when i flipped the safety off.

true story:

sitting in the blind with my oldest son (age 10 now) and trying to get him his first buck or deer for that matter. he shot this gun with great confidence at the range, putting 5 shots in the bullseye at 100yrds. anyways, a nice cull 6 pointer steps out and i get the gun up and out the window for the shot. i tell my son not to touch the trigger until he is ready to shoot. i control the saftey until he is ready to pull the trigger. he tells me that he is ready for the shot, so i flip the saftey - and BOOM! i was so angry at him for having his finger on the trigger, when i took the safety off. he is swearing that he did not have his finger on the trigger and i did not give him the benefit of the doubt. needless to say, when i got home after the trip, i started to clean the rifle to put it up until the next time we go to the range. i decided to play with the bolt and saftey, when son of a B, that thing dry fired when i took the safety off.

i apologized to my son for doubting his word and i am sure he still has not forgiven me for it. i plan to make it up to him in 2011. i no longer have that gun and told the next owner the whole story, he bought it anyways because he planned on changing out the trigger. i did not modify that trigger in any way - it was factory set and felt like 4lbs, which is what i wanted for my son. i lost faith in the remingtons and sold them all off, including my dream rifle - 257wby cdl sf.

It needs to go back to the factory and let them fix it.I think all firearms that are defective needs to be returned so the factory knows which ones fail and which ones are good ones,if that's possible.Remington has a long history over many many years about the safety and it's problems.This has at one time effected a lot of different models so it isn't anything new.

Wow thanks for sharing that story

Only a matter of time until someone dies from this defect unfortunatly.

Already happened in Wyoming I beleive. A mom shot her son trying to unload her 700.

If thats correct thats horrible to hear!

I reported it in the other long thread as well. Happened to me twice in one hunt. I always keep the gun on safety in thestand til time to shoot. A deer i wanted to shoot steps out...I put the gun out the window and steady myself...release the safety and BaBOOM...bout crapped myself. Was positive I didn't have my finger on the trigger but thought i could have made the mistake...so I had to put it BACK on safety...chambered a round...dang buck is still there lol (a little further out but he didn't run far)...steady myself...release the safety and I'll be dang if it didn't do it again...

Now mine is a 8 to 10 year old ADL 700 .270 that has that J lock safety mechanism on the bolt. I fiddled with it and took the trigger out and have had no problem since. I hunt with another rifle now and will be changing triggers soon...just hadn't got around to it..

This has happened many times...there are countless reports of this happening...change out the trigger or don't shoot it...

Dang Killer that really sucks to hear. I bet you had some skidmarks in your shorts right then and there. I'm glad to hear you weren't injured in any way. Have you sent it back yet?

READ THE ARTICLE FROM REMINGTONS SITE!!! This is not a cut
and dried thing. That 1 hour story was a one sided piece of crap overdrama production. All of the guns were tampered with.
The main gun in the story was one that none of us would think about shooting. Rusted, dirty, altered.

Even the old style trigger from Remington was used by everybody and their dog with no problems. The trigger in your new gun is not that trigger?

Get the gun back to Remington and never, never, did I say
never point the business end of any rifle, loaded or unloaded, safety or no safety, at anything you don't intend to
kill. I have always had a saying, "Every gun is loaded."
Good luck.

Happend to my son and I a few years ago. No one hurt but still the most horrible event to ever happen to me hunting. I hate to even talk about it. Very valuable lesson learned and one that will never happen again. Anyway a beautiful 700 in 308. Safty to fire to unload and boom.

Still have the gun because I dont feel comfortable selling. Maybe one day I will have it looked at. Dont really care to at this point. We are Savage, Marlin, and Ruger now days:)

Just happend last night around 1am im trying to make up my mind if I should sell it or get a new trigger no way in hell I will trust what they send back.

i would suggest a triiger change if you really like the rifle. i look back and probably should have done the same, but was just disgusted at the time + needed the money.

just tried to order a timney from their site said they had a bad certificate. Midway is backordered on timneys but has jewel triggers. Cant see spending that much for stock rifle.

I've read much about this issue with the "old" Walker Fire Control System (which is on my 1978 vintage 700), though this is the first time I've heard of it happening with the new X-Mark Pro system. Anyone else hear of this happening with the X-Mark Pro?

older remmy. Still have to do that on several of the ones my dad has.

Killer,

Sorry to hear about your mishap w/ your rifle. I agree - no way I could ever feel comfortable again w/ that rifle w/ another factory trigger. Good luck with it, keep us posted on what you finally do to resolve the situation.

David

Yeah, these incidents have me wondering also. I bought a Remington 700 CDL 7mag after returning from Iraq. I can't really examine my rifle right now because I'm stationed in Kuwait while the rifle is in Texas. When I return, I'm going to be very cautious with it.

I'm just happy I was alone and the rifle was pointed toward a tree line i know for a fact the bullet hit a tree I'm going out in the morn to see wich tree it hit I will keep you guys posted on what remi says and what i do with the rifle.

Just think, when you go to switch off the safety in those Remmy 700's, it could go off. Think about that next time you go to fire your rifle........

Or sell it to me for a cheap price. =)

Lol good luck with me selling it for cheap it will get a trigger if I do sell it!

I'm glad I bought a Savage. I see so many people with problem after problem with their 700s. Why waste money on a rifle that's been having issues for decades with the safety of their rifles when you can much safer and better built guns?

Google "Remington 700 rifle problems" then Google "Savage rifle problems" or "Weatherby rifle problems" or even "Ruger rifle problems". The VAST majority of problems in the safety are are with Remingtons. The evidence is OVERWHELMINGLY stacked against Remington's quality. So much so that anyone that hold Remingtons as the "best" rifle out there don't know their arses from an anthill.

TikkaKiller

Sako/Tikka

You said you touched the trigger and had it out of the stock. What was done and was the person "qualified" or just a shade tree gunsmith?

And when I took it out of the stock all I did was wipe down the botom of the barrel with oil to keep it from rusting.

Glad it turned out ok Killer.

I don't care what all the Remington lovers say, there hasn't been any issues like this with other brands lately and now we have first hand accounts from guys on here. My thoughts about Remington have taken a drop here lately.

Pathetic that ANYBODY could make jokes or dismiss what happened! I'm sure they would be real thrilled if it were to happen to them, buy a new trigger and have the piece of mind of safety, especially with your kids around.

Hey BMD on some of the older Rem's you have to put the rifle on fire to open the bolt, my brother in law has one like that. His has actually gone off several times but he had some idiot work his trigger over so light that he said he could blow on the trigger and it would go off. Stupid I say!

Well according to some we have some liars on here about their guns going off.

Ohhhhh but Remingtons are the best because people buy them, strip off every part except the basic action, and then build a complete different gun.

Trying real hard to bite my lip right now.

My left hand was on the forearm and my right hand closed with my index finger and thump releasing the safety slowly I cant explain what happen after that but the damn rifle went off!

Hehe, yeah that always gets my goat! Best ever, except I bought a new stock, trigger, barrel, it shoots greeeaaaatttt! And it's not ugly!

I have one myself, just assumed it was not that old of a gun. I have fired thousands of rounds thru it and never had a issue, I am not making light of anything, I spent an hour on phone with Killer today! I assure you he knows where I stand, and I am not saying it can't happen, but assure you it is not as frequent as some guys here make you think or there would be millions of them doing it and I ain't buying that, i am not getting involved in a train wreck out of respect for Txkiller, like I said I have talked with him
personally.

The rookie speaks, simple "then you don't buy one but personally you don't know your arse from anthill"

Hey BMD do you know about when they changed the safety/bolt thing? I have a older CDL and it opens with the safety on, so I am just wondering it it was fixed or recalled, did they recall that problem?

Guys I really didnt want this thread to turn into a Remington bashing thread it was a freak accident! I have two other remi's here and they never had an issue but this one did its getting a new trigger either way but right now shes going in the safe!

Chill out and learn about the accident theres no need to bash each other or the company

Well, what's more important is that TxKiller was not injured or killed. And I hope that Remington investigates these incidents without sweeping them under the rug before someone gets injured or killed.

Don't be a savage.

I am not sure the exact year that was changed, the factory 30/06 I have was probably bought in 1970 if I remember correctly, I don't remember cdl's when I was a kid just adl and BDL, I am betting it didn't have to be fixed, mine will be changed when it goes to Kampfeld, it was my fathers 06 and he has passed and my daughter wants it custom for her. I will have action trued and squared, and new barrel chambered in 280 for her, I have never changed from Remington triggers even in the custom builds.

Amantine, order a Rifle Basix with safety from their site. They set it to your desired weight of pull. They're good people, fantastic customer service, and make excellent triggers.

I've had and still have many other brands, and I've been thoroughly impressed with their triggers.

If you come by the house tomorrow, stop in and I'll let you shoot one.

I will give you a buzz

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39768678#39768678

Glad everyone involved in this is ok that proves gun saftey works.Just the other night i was getting my old trusty rem 300 win mag out of the safe and as allways i had unloaded it and held the trigger to uncock the bolt before i stored it.Well as i was standing there i worked the bolt and as soon as i put the handle down it clicked it did this twice in a row.I messed with the trigger a little bit and it stoped doing it but i put it up untill i can get it checked out.About 15 years ago i had a custom rifle go of while i was unloading it scared the crap out of me so i know how you feel i love my rem 700 i have serval and have no plans in getting rid of any of them but remember guns are tools and tools fail anything can happen with any gun just be safe and get it fixed good luck sir and keep on hunting.

Killer....It happened to me too.

Then you got guys like BMD and his remington stoolies calling everyone liars. Guess he knows everything.

I like remington, and will continue to use them with aftermarket triggers. The point is, this has happened too many times to just dismiss it and blindly defend the company. Just beware that this "perfect" rifle doesn't always have to have the trigger pulled to fire (which to me is a scary quality in any firearm.)

Do you work for remmy BMD? Just curious.

I have no personal ties and you can read above I have talked with killer personally today, and as I said before not getting in the middle of a train wreck on his thread!
So if if you wanna continue this do it somewhere else

Sweet... now I got a reason for a jewell.

What have I portended to know that I don't? I know my arse from any anthill in any discussion because I don't simply throw garbage for arguments out there because I have no foundation for them, unlike you. You try and discredit my argument by calling me a rookie. Why resort to attacking my experience level when this is about facts that require no practical experience.

I might be a rookie when it comes to the details of bolt guns but not to common sense which is all that's required here. I found well over 30 pages of Google searches talking about the safety issues Remingtons have had for decades. They are no mystery and they are no secret. I don't have to be some expert to read the facts. They are there and no amount of your blind following of Remington products is going to change what is and what is, is you cannot buy a low end Remington today with the same level of confidence as you can most other brands of rifles.

I didn't start my search for a good, cheap gun with any sort of bias. Any bias I have now is a result of my own experience plus a dozen, or so, other's advice and experience, as well as the reports and reviews I read online. As well, I can explain every bit of my bias with logical rational. You have yet to do the same.

I don't need to do research, and I don't need testimonials. This happened to me, several years before I ever read about it happening to anyone else. TxKiller seems to be a reputable member on this site, and the fact that it happened to him to should give some credibility.

For those of you reading this thread hoping to better equip yourself to safely use a firearm; let it be known that you never point a rifle at anything you don't intend to shoot. Cases like these are the exact reason safety rules like this are important. No rifle is perfect, and they are all deadly. Sometimes you just expect better things from a company like Remington.

As for my comments to you BMD...I stand by them. If you don't work for Remington, maybe you should be getting paid a little on the side for you staunch defense of them during these threads. Why do you even feel the need to comment if you believe people who have this happen are liars, idiots, "bubba's" or whatever else you have said. It's a free country I guess....

I have tried the Rifle Basix triggers in 2 of my Remingtons. One is doing great and set at 2 lbs on my .223. Rifle is a 700BDL. It was my test rifle for a trigger that I could adjust to see if I liked it. Bought another one last spring for my .270 SPS BDL and put it in. Had it set at 2 lbs also. When I put a trigger in I take a rubber mallet and check by hitting the barrel to see if the rifle will fire on saftey and then off. With the .223 it did not but the .270 would fire when hitting the barrell if it was on fire. It would not fire when it was on safety. I call Rifle Basics and he sent me a new trigger preset to 2 lbs. and sent the old one back. Same issue again as it would fire on fire hitting the barrell. Still have the old Rifle Basic trigger but will send it back. Order a Jewell Trigger direct from them and put it in and have not had one issue with it yet. I would be leary of the Rifle Basic triggers from my experience with them on 2 out of 3. I have owned Remingtons since the late 60's and never had an issue with one going off when putting it on fire.

BMD ruined hunting too!

Nah, He just lost my respect for his opinion on any of these topics about remington issues.

I really don't recall wanting your respect, I said before I have talked with Killer and have in No shape form or fashion called him a liar or questioned his integrity.

+1 The only thing he ruined was his own credibility.

Hahahahaha! Brilliant response! Exactly what I expected out of you. Lordy, I hope you know more about Remingtons than you do everything else you've tried to play "expert" at, othwerise you might have lead TxKiller down the wrong path in your discussion and bring some real harm to him.

TxKiller, I'd research whatever it is this guy told you. I wouldn't trust anything he had to say about anything, at this point.

Good luck, man. I hate hearing stuff like this and thank my lucky stars I haven't encountered anything like this more than the one time it did happen to me with a Ma Duece almost 20 years ago.

Dude you have know idea what you are talking about.

Boy o boy some of you fellas need to read the whole thread! BMD never called Killer or others a liar!
And BMD thanks for the info on the trigger/safety deal. I got this gun from my grandpa and I'm pretty sure it's not 30 years old maybe 20 ish though. How does that 7-08 shoot and how's the recoil for the daughter, tolerable? It won't be long before this tread is on lock down, so talk to you fellers later.

Thanks man, I assure I have not called killer a liar or questioned his integrity, I wanted to know I have safe a full of them why would I not want to hear it exactly from the horses mouth of a guy I trust as to try a decipher thru all the bs on the forum and I apologize to him for the bs on his thread. The recoil was a little shock for her, but after the first three shots she settled in with it and she shot three shot group about size of a quarter, and then smoked the doe, so it was a good deal for her. Thanks for asking.

This isn't the first, and certainly won't be the last time this is discussed. I appologize for not clarifying...My comments were based on accusations made in other threads as well. I'll leave you fella's to it though.
...and any other emoticons that mean, "this really doesn't change my life much"

Put yourself in my shoes. You come asking about 2 rifles. A guy starts bashing one of the rifles, other folks ask him why he's bashing them so much and he responds with immature sophmoric attacks about how the one rifle is ugly and don't shoot for sh!t and are far inferior to the other rifle. When asked to provide evidence of them not being able to shoot and their inferiority, the guy responds with more immature garbage and can't seem to present any evidence of the one gun's being of any less quality. Evidence to validate the one rifle is brought to the table and this guy refuses to acknowledge these facts.

Now you tell me, removing all people and names of this particular issue leaving it a general scenario, how much stock would YOU put into this guys word?

I always have hacked on savage rifles, dont like em, personal preferrence, I think all rifles will shoot when you buy them some maybe a little better than others, but buy 10 half of one will out shoot have the other, if you can read thru the bs, you will never hear me say a savage won't shoot, or any other rifle wont shoot, this is a little different situation than bs about how ugly a rifle is. If you would like to discuss it pm me.

If any of you want to get rid of your Remington's, pm me and I will make sure they are properly disposed of. I can get rid of them for you.

I wonder why the military continues to use Remington 700's.

Again, if you need or want to get rid of one, I can take it off your hands and properly dispose of it. Oh yeah, guns just dont "go off".

Ay yi yi, here we go again! Read the freaking first post! The man's got no reason to lie!!!

someone should delete this thread. if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say sh@t! the man is not bashing anything. He had the crap scared out of him and just wanted to inform everyone to BECAREFUL.

New to this forum. Been shooting since I was about 6, 73 now. Back in the 80s there was a discharge of a 700 that cost Remington about a million for making a cripple out of a gentleman in the prime of his life, but the jury found the dealer not liable. I was in the large dealership one evening after hours. Many 700s in stock. I do not remember how many, but it was more than one that we were able to replicate a discharge in this manner. Pull the trigger while the rifle was on safety, release the trigger, then release the safety. Firing pin would drop-not every time but with some frequency on SOME BUT NOT ALL of the 700s. Ihave no experience with the newer trigger since I dumped all my 700s back then. I am sorry to hear about the new trigger as I almost bought a 700 VTR in .223 today. Be careful out there. There is no substitute for careful firearm handeling. I can tell you from experience that a Browning A-5, and probabally a lot of other makes and models, can discharge with the safety on if you drop it just right.

Welcome to the forum Sir. And thank you for your insight.

Welcome, and i will try it with every remington I own in that order to see if I can duplicate.

Is this issue affecting just the 700 ADL/BDL? Or is it the 700 series?
I inherited my Grandfathers Remington 243. It is a model 788. Should I have the trigger replaced on it to be safe? Or is the problem strictly on the 700's?

I was in Ray's Sporting Goods (Dallas) at lunch today. He explained to me how this very thing happens. Says that lubricant or gunk gets in trigger, causing it to stick "back". So basically it's like your finger is on it. Saftey forward...BAM.
Uh, I own several of these babies. And I have recently bought my son one. Going to re-think my obsession with the 700.
Be safe everyone.

back in the late 90's i had a 700 Remington in a 270 that went off in the deer stand ( box stand ) i sent the gun to remington and they replaced the trigger. i sold the gun patched hole.. i still shoot bolt action guns i just never close the bolt till i
m ready to shoot...

Amen. Thank you!

I called my father in Houston from Kuwait and told him about the incident that happened to TxKiller with his Remington 700, and my father told me that it has happened to him also with his Remington 700 25/06 several years ago. He told me, over the phone, that he was in his deer stand and spotted a deer. As he was aiming, he took the rifle off of safety and the rifle fired. I was shocked to hear this from him yesterday!

I wouldn't belive anything that remington says, this has been a problem for many yrs.

Facts are facts. And do you believe we've been to the moon?

didn't you say to unload the gun with taking the safty off, so who doesn't know there arse from an anthill

Just curious but has your trigger been worked on---lightened up from factory setting?

One of my best friends and I were discussing a gun he borrowed from me to duckhunt the other day. An 11-87, and since we were talking about remingtons he mentioned that last season that his rifle, 700 adl, went off as he was taking it off "safe". Scared the crap out of him at the time but, as he had never heard of the issue about the triggers he thought he must have done something to cause it. He has put that gun away after learning about the trigger and will have the trigger replaced before next season. I did not ask how old the gun was.

Yes sir its the new model with the X mark adjustable trigger and is still set at 3 1/2 pounds from the factory.

Some of you guys really need to chill out! I will say this again the rifle went off while I was releasing the safety left hand on the forearm and my right hand closed with my index finger and thumb working the safety. I am not bashing remington im just trying to inform folks that the rifle went off during the safety release, I was alone and the round went in a safe direction. I contacted remington yesterday and they are willing to replace trigger assembly with the same one I am not going that route and I will drop in an after market trigger. Again this thread was not to bash the company or to get a bunch "online experts" riled up! Share your stories all you want, ask your questions all you want but dont start bashing each other or trying to call me out nobody got hurt and thats all that matters to me im just wanting to spread the word so nobody else does!!!!!!!!!!

Never called him a liar. Just simply stating that if anyone wants to get rid of their 700, I can take it off their hands.

One thing I dont understand, and I have tried it in my 700's, is why the safety was being clicked off with both the thumb and index finger. Try it yourself. It is not hard to see how the index finger could "slip" onto the trigger, or maybe on the trigger guard. And it does not take much for a 3 1/2 pound trigger to go off.

Again, not calling the guy a liar, just trying to figure it out. And CNBC is a liberal, gun hating, Obamacare supporting news station. I am just waiting for FOX news to come out with a contradictory show. Just wait, it is going to happen.

Sometimes you want to put the safety into the fire position without an audible click, the 2 fingered nethod is easiest for that. With a closed fist as Txkiller described is a safe way to do that.

X2

Thank you sir for explaining that.

Heres a short video demonstrating what happen

Anthony, good explanation.

Take the gun into a good gun shop. Something isnt right, and it doesnt need to be shot until its been looked at.

Nice vid tx.

Hey Killer...just for chits and giggles, have you tried to duplicate it?

Over 50 times yesterday and it never went off im really curious to what happen I dont want to sound like a fool but could cold temps really play a big part in this, temps that night by the lake was around 28 deg?

no, temp shouldnt have anything to do with the firing pin, IMO

Cold temps will usually cause a gun to not fire if there is going to be a malfunction due to the cold. Usually any oil or grease or other gunk that may be present will get thicker with cold temps causing a firing pin to move slower and not strike with enough force to set off the primer. Thats why in extreme cold temps a powdered graphite is the best lubricant.

Temps should not have been a factor at all.

When going prone is it possible that dirt or water had gotten into the trigger assembly & gunked it up or froze to keep it from working properly?

Also, I think you mentioned earlier that you had the action out of the stock once. Maybe it is in a bind, somehow, when it was re-assembled & putting pressure on the trigger mechanism? Maybe the stock is inletted too tightly & needs to be relieved. Sometimes the magazine box doesn't get seated properly when you put the action back in the stock. Etc.

Lots of possibilities, especially if you are not able to duplicate the problem. Please keep updating as you work through the process of identifying exactly what happened. I'd not be too quick to just swap out the trigger without a lot more troubleshooting. Blindly replacing the trigger may give you a false sense of security & something else was the actual problem.

After the latest hit piece by anti gun CNBC, now the doubt is in everyone's mind. That was the unstated purpose for the show & many with an agenda are taking advantage of it. I don't mean you in any way, as it sure seems that you simply want to solve the problem & you're not just blindly bashing Remington for sport like so many here do.

Last & most importantly. You proved just how absolutely important it is to ALWAYS have the rifle pointed in a safe direction! Good going for reteaching the lesson many take for granted.

Thanks for the info guys learn something new everyday!

Rifle was on the ground for maybe 5min the rear of the stock and bipod legs were the only things touching the ground.

When I removed the stock all I did was remove the two screws underneath the stock, I pulled the stock off and wiped down the barrel down with cleaning lube, I set the mag box back in properly and tightened the screws and I was done!

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You pervert!

Back about1980, my brother bought a used ADL in .270. he shot a couple of deer with it and had no problems. he was killed in a car wreck in '83. Later, my Mom was going thru his stuff and picked his rifle up out of a corner of his room and it had rounds in the magazine. She decided to unload it and somewhere in the process, it went off there in his bedroom. I tried everything I could think of to make it happen again and we finally decided she had her finger on the trigger and didnt realize it.

The gun was not used for a long time and one day, my Dad took my youngest nephew hunting. He was going to let Christopher shoot a doe with his 30-30 and dad was going to back him up with the .270.

Dad told him to wait til he told him to shoot. The dad lined the doe up in the scope and pushed the safety off to be ready. As soon as the safety clicked forward, the gun went off and the doe dropped.
He took the gun to the gunshop the next day and the gunsmith told him it was a fairly common thing with 700's. I dont remember what the gunsmith said was the cause, but he fixed it and it has been fine ever since.

That is the only case I have personal knowledge of, but I did read in one of Peter Capstick's books where he was nearly killed when they borrowed a rifle from another PH for his client to use and when the client took it off safety it went off and grazed Capstick's neck and the other PH said it did it all the time.

Any lube applied to the trigger mechanism, or could any have flowed into it & gotten thick in the cold? I've heard of some folks using lighter fluid to flush out the trigger mech. & using compressed air to blow it out so nothing can build up in there. Thick goopy stuff like Break Free CLP may attract crud. I use Corrosion X & only a very tiny amount.

I would take the action back out of the stock & examine the assembly as closely as possible to look for any crud or foreign material in there. Also look for any areas on the side where it may be binding against the stock inletting.

Mine happened under similar conditions. I had been out for several days in cold temps. In fact, while on our stalk, it started to sleet and snow. I've often wondered if maybe some excess lube or water or something got in the trigger assembly and either froze or became more viscous. I use CLP, so I don't see how this could have been the problem. I just can't figure out anything else. I don't click the safety off the same way you showed in the video, but I do grip my entire hand around the rifle behind the trigger guard. Mine is the older style trigger set to around 6.5lbs from the factory and has never been tampered with.

Either way, glad you're okay. BTW, I was never able to duplicate mine either. Freak occurance I guess. Thanks for the video...definately takes alot of doubt out of your story.

I used rem oil to wipe it down with I sprayed the lube on a rag and just wiped the barrel only.

Could also have been condensation. Happens when moving from heat in a vehicle to cold outside very quickly. But like JCB posted I would expect it to effect the firing pin not the trigger. I have heard of this happening in Canada when going from extreme heat to cold and the rifle just will not fire.

my buddy (doubledrop14 on here) had the same thing happen with his CDL in .300win mag. He released the safety with his thumb and it went off... almost broke his thumb. Same gun also wouldn't cycle a spent shell.... he ended up selling it at the gun show.

Killer, I'm sure you have, but have you look into what usually causes this to happen with other Remingtons? It seems like it's been addressed and corrected by many, many people in a few different ways. This one's been an issue for a few days now. What's the latest on what you think the issue is with yours?

I am glad that neither of my 700's have had this problem.

Why couldn't the cold thicken lube, moisture or gunk in the trigger and get locked in the pulled position? Then when the safety removed allowing the rifle to be fired?

If you have adequate sear engagement thick lube shouldn't be an issue.

I understand everyone's need to defend an American firearm manufacturer that has been hit by slander attacks by the liberal media. I also understand that the majority of these types of incidents can be directly attributed to user error/improper tampering. There have been a posts similar to TxKiller's on this board and generally speaking those posts are derided and talked down to. I have read numerous comments that if there were a genuine problem we read lots of these failures - but anytime anyone posts anything close to this type of problem they are belittled.

Now we have someone on this board that is well respected shooting a new firearm, well maintained, hasn't been tampered with has the a gun fire w/ the safety switched off - same as numerous other folks that have been beaten into submission w/ the keyboards of the faithful. Frankly, if Remington's trigger design is such that it could be made to fail via some far fetched combination of wiping down with their recommended product in the manner TxKiller described (even at 28 degrees - Really, someone was hunting when it was cold? Really?) then the trigger design IS the problem. This has been seen too many times lately for their not to be some associated design problem.

At what point are the Remington faithful willing to admit that MAYBE, just MAYBE there might be a problem w/ the Remington X-mark pro trigger?

David

Im not sure what it could be I havent been able to duplicate what happen, its at the gun show right now up for display once I get it back I will look at the trigger.

That's the scariest part right there. I've seen a few guns where, no matter what was done to them, it would still do wierd stuff ust whenever and never be a reliable or safe gun.

I wouldn't feel right selling something that was acting like that but I hear people say it all the time, "I just took it to the gun show and got rid of it." I cringe and remind myself of why I don't buy guns with questionable or non-existent histories. Not saying yours was bought this way, my mind just got to wandering.

I agree with this part. A rifle with this type of problem needs to carry a significant warning, especially for those of us who don't always sit in blinds on nice sunny days (I do that too so don't rip me). If a small amount of lube or dirt in the trigger assembly allows a rifle to fire without pulling the trigger, there needs to be significant warnings. Maybe there are? If that is the case though, I will think twice about taking any such rifle on an extended hunt with unfavorable conditions.

Just for the record though, and I think killer clarified it: There was no lube placed on the trigger assembly. Same with mine. Could some excess lube have leaked down from the action into the trigger assembly....sure, but I don't think so.

Someone mentioned military snipers using this rifle. Just curious if anyone knows whether they leave the factory trigger in them or not. Seems like most military sniper rifles are highly customized.

Military remingtons meet military specifications. The M24 is not a model 700. The Model 700 5R "Milspec" is over $1,000. The M24 is closer to $3,500 (rifle only).

So I have orderd a Timney trigger for my 700 even though I have had no problems with it in 30 years use. Figure it would be a nice upgrade. I also assume it solves any potential trigger problem with the factory trigger. Would that be correct?

I was at Fort Benning this past summer and being a Sniper School grad (We used blueprinted Remington 700 variant back in the day) I got the chance to talk to two of the instructors at the Army Sniper School. I asked this very question. They both laughed and said when on the range it is common slang to say "We just had another Remington!" By that they mean their remington sniper rifle fired when the safety was flicked off. Take that with a grain of salt, but nuf said for me.

As I stated in a couple of the other threads on this issue - I had 2 unintended discharges (back to back) on a 1970's model ADL. Unaltered factory trigger. I sold that rifle and have owned, and still own, other 700's and have not experienced any problems with them.

CNBC had an hour long program today about the 700 having a history of going off accidently. They said it was common knowledge and that Remington has known it for years. I must live under a rock, cause it was news to me. My oldest and dearest rifles are 700's and I have never had an issue.

I had a 700 that went off when you took it off safety. Very bad deal. I would send that gone back to Rem. for replacement for sure.

Just curious what army snipers have their triggers set for...poundage wise??

Luckily mine only goes of when I pull the trigger, at least so far.

I HAVE HAD 3 DIFF RIFLES DO THE SAME THING, SOLD THE 1ST RIFLE WITH THIS PROB, PUT A TIMNEY IN THE 2ND WHICH IS WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE TO THE 1ST RIFLE, AND ADJUSTED THE SEAR ENGAGEMENT AND PULL WEIGHT ON THE TRIGGER ON THE 3RD (5LBS AND ALOT OF TRAVEL THIS WRKS BUT MAKES FOR A CRAPPY TRIGGER) THE ABSOLUTE BEST WAY TO FIX THIS IS TO PUT A TIMNEY OR JEWELL TRIGGER IN IT.. HOPE THIS HELPS

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Damn the Remington! And the cap lock button!!

i am starting to see why i usually only monitor these forums.. there is lots of good info to be had here, and just bcuz it is an old topic doesn't mean it isn't a new prblm for someone else.. sorry about the caps lock it was acting up again, i suppose.. this is an opinion and discussion forum right? i like wrking on guns and i see lots of'em with diff prblms.. i like gun owners and the same can be said of them. i enjoy a good discussion but not just for the sake of runnin someone elses opinions and experiences down. i have not been in everyone's shoes, so i will not say that something is impossible or can't be true. if you ridicule or are nasty to someone posting on here where are they going to go nxt or do you just want them off of your site??

Nah my man, there is no ridiculing here! Now the cap lock is sooo hard to look at, I used to not understand why people always complained about it but as I get older it makes me cross eyed trying to read it. It's a open forum, open to all, except the peta trolls of course! Like you mentioned people like to give their opinions, some have merit, some are worthless. Most of mine are worthless but they are mine none the less. Stay on here long enough and it will grow on you. Every now and then you'll even get lucky enough to help somebody else out. You just have to take some of these post with a grain of salt, some people don't like to have their favorite brand bashed, even if it might be true. Oh by the way, WELCOME to the greatest hunting forum.

GroutScout...I like PETA ( people eating tasty animals )... i is one, like the sayin goes there is a place for all God's creatures large and small, nxt to mash potatoes... thanx again.. i will hang for a while, cuz i normally enjoy the company of the hunting and shooting nutz.. most of my friends are ex military, or cops and well i get to wrk on their stuff and play with their toys and i enjoy the community, again thanx for the welcome..c-ya

Next someone's going to say the penguin hunt is off!