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#894766 - 09/09/09 09:02 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: GSS]
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Veteran Tracker
Registered: 10/07/07
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"How does killing five does make one a slob?
Vernon"
In the context of the referenced poster's comments, this need explaining?
How about when after taking five does, one complains there are no deer (or not enough)..
Sort of like the wacko who kills his parents, then asks the judge for leniency because "I'm an orphan"...
(edited to make sure I specify I am not calling anyone a wacko murderer...it's an illustration) Your not getting it GSS. Your thinking one sided. I AM A MEAT HUNTER. Guess what, I can introduce you to 10-15 local guys that are the same way (were broke azzes) Here's the deal. They now allow us 5 dear. One can be 13" or not. Guess what, we ain't got many 13" deer if any so guess what's gonna happen... Now, you understand????????????????? AR's are two fold and that's why I think the are absolutely stupid. Now I can kill 5 (you gout that, 5) does. How in the hell does this make sense. Silly liberals. You want what is good for you and nobody else. If it benefits you then it must be great huh????????????????????????????
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#894811 - 09/09/09 09:18 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Jason B]
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Woodsman
Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 202
Loc: Snook TX
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"How does killing five does make one a slob?
Vernon"
In the context of the referenced poster's comments, this need explaining?
How about when after taking five does, one complains there are no deer (or not enough)..
Sort of like the wacko who kills his parents, then asks the judge for leniency because "I'm an orphan"...
(edited to make sure I specify I am not calling anyone a wacko murderer...it's an illustration) Your not getting it GSS. Your thinking one sided. I AM A MEAT HUNTER. Guess what, I can introduce you to 10-15 local guys that are the same way (were broke azzes) Here's the deal. They now allow us 5 dear. One can be 13" or not. Guess what, we ain't got many 13" deer if any so guess what's gonna happen... Now, you understand????????????????? AR's are two fold and that's why I think the are absolutely stupid. Now I can kill 5 (you gout that, 5) does. How in the hell does this make sense. Silly liberals. You want what is good for you and nobody else. If it benefits you then it must be great huh???????????????????????????? "Interesting" logic that defies any chance for a reasonable response... But "silly liberals"...now that made me laugh out loud... Excuse me while I go check the freezer, to see what's for supper...dove, deer, wild hog, maybe rabbit or squirrel?
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#894832 - 09/09/09 09:24 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: GSS]
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Veteran Tracker
Registered: 10/07/07
Posts: 2021
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GSS - Here's what's so funny about your post.
You imply that just because I am allowed to take 5 does, that I shouldn't and that would be foolish to do so. Surely TPWD knows what's best???????????????
You pro AR guys always catch yourself in a trap. How come we can't apply "your" same thought process to bucks?????
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#895336 - 09/10/09 02:54 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: GSS]
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Registered: 04/17/07
Posts: 2999
Loc: Pflugerville TX. between a roc...
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Sounds like your son/daughter/wife are using your license? Otherwise why are they limited to a spike?
[b][b]They are limited to a spike because I'm only buying one spot on the lease. Sure I could be deviant and let just anybody come and shoot a deer and let them use thier tags but I would be cheating the landowner and my fellow hunters. The end result would be me getting kicked off [/b][/b]
How dare your lease give you "rules" to hunt by...you know best what needs to be done....
Every lease I have been on has had rules. I will accept them or will not sign on PERIOD!
P&W has not always made the best decisions, but TX is a big state, and I do think they try for what's best. No secret motives or a plot to screw deer hunters.
I think they do have secret motives that will eventually screw the average hunter in the end. Its all about the Money and giant geneticly freak deer = BIG MONEY
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#897361 - 09/10/09 10:18 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: AmoCuernos]
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Green Horn
Registered: 09/09/09
Posts: 2
Loc: Spring, TX
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I hunt in East TX and am very glad we have AR's. Before the AR's we rarely saw large deer, but every time we went for lunch or gas on the way some hill billy would have his tiny [censored] 4 or 6 point hangin out the back of his barely running truck! Even today I'm sure some of the same jerks still shoot anything that moves, but at least now we see larger deer!
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#897768 - 09/11/09 06:28 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
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Woodsman
Registered: 04/16/09
Posts: 111
Loc: Royse City TEXAS
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Seems like this was set up for landowners to be able to price alot of WORKING MEN out of hunting in the near future. We hunt in Brown county and in five years we probably wont be able to afford to hunt there.
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#897893 - 09/11/09 08:11 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Billy T]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 02/18/09
Posts: 8538
Loc: Lavaca Co, Gonzales Co.
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ur right, people should just let u hunt their land for free..... maybe obama will put that in his obamacare plan....
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#898315 - 09/11/09 10:48 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Stickboy97]
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Registered: 10/07/07
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I hunt in East TX and am very glad we have AR's. Before the AR's we rarely saw large deer, but every time we went for lunch or gas on the way some hill billy would have his tiny [censored] 4 or 6 point hangin out the back of his barely running truck! Even today I'm sure some of the same jerks still shoot anything that moves, but at least now we see larger deer! Stickboy, use some common sense. Maybe the hillbilly with the barely running truck was dang hungry. And, if his truck barely runs, I doubt he has the money for a shoulder mount. Think "glass half full". He shot a little one for food and left you the trophy. Just because it is not your style doesn't mean the hunt was not as important if not more important than yours.
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#898399 - 09/11/09 11:23 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Jason B]
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Bird Dog
Registered: 08/19/09
Posts: 415
Loc: The Woodlands Township, Tx
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See, that's the key. If your county has plenty of bucks, then someone shooting a small one just means he has left a big one for the horn hunters.
ARs were introduced in counties where the deer herds were too small -- just about every 1 1/2 yo buck was being killed. So how is increasing the number of does that can be killed going to help the situation? Sure, for a year or two, you'll have some bucks surviving that wouldn't have, but after that the absence of new bucks being born is going to mean that you will have very few little bucks to grow into big bucks.
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#898409 - 09/11/09 11:26 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Jason B]
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Pro Tracker
Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 1025
Loc: East Tx
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I have tried for the most part to stay out of the AR threads. I hunt in a county in East Tx that is going into it's 3rd year under the AR's. I see valid points on both sides of the argument. I am at the point in my life that I have killed a lot of deer even though none of them were really big bucks. I have made a decision that every buck I shoot from now on will be bigger than my last buck, or else a cull. If I just want deer meat I shoot a doe. However, even though I choose not to do so, I feel I should be able to shoot any buck I want to without having to worry about the spread. I wouldn't shoot a young immature buck anyway, but still feel that the decision should be mine. As far as antler size, overall in my county I have seen larger racks the last couple years, so I guess it is working here.
I just remember going to the lease and staying in camp every weekend with my Dad and his buddies when I was a kid, and back then it was awesome just to be there in camp and go out and kill a deer and see the deer other people killed. And it didn't matter if it was a doe, a little buck, a big buck, a spike, or whatever, everybody was happy for you if you killed a deer. Now it seems like it's all about how big the bucks are, and everybody gets pissy if somebody kills a 2 1/2 year old 8 pt that is 15'' wide. The atmosphere has changed from hanging out and hunting with family and friends to seeing who can kill the biggest buck. I just kinda wonder if we're going the wrong way and forgetting what it's all about sometimes.
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#899741 - 09/12/09 04:39 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: twice70]
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Registered: 04/17/07
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I just remember going to the lease and staying in camp every weekend with my Dad and his buddies when I was a kid, and back then it was awesome just to be there in camp and go out and kill a deer and see the deer other people killed. And it didn't matter if it was a doe, a little buck, a big buck, a spike, or whatever, everybody was happy for you if you killed a deer. Now it seems like it's all about how big the bucks are, and everybody gets pissy if somebody kills a 2 1/2 year old 8 pt that is 15'' wide. The atmosphere has changed from hanging out and hunting with family and friends to seeing who can kill the biggest buck. I just kinda wonder if we're going the wrong way and forgetting what it's all about sometimes. [/quote]
I could not say it any better
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#900338 - 09/12/09 01:51 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: twice70]
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THF Celebrity
Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 10694
Loc: Hickory Creek, Fannin Co. Texa...
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I have tried for the most part to stay out of the AR threads. I hunt in a county in East Tx that is going into it's 3rd year under the AR's. I see valid points on both sides of the argument. I am at the point in my life that I have killed a lot of deer even though none of them were really big bucks. I have made a decision that every buck I shoot from now on will be bigger than my last buck, or else a cull. If I just want deer meat I shoot a doe. However, even though I choose not to do so, I feel I should be able to shoot any buck I want to without having to worry about the spread. I wouldn't shoot a young immature buck anyway, but still feel that the decision should be mine. As far as antler size, overall in my county I have seen larger racks the last couple years, so I guess it is working here.
I just remember going to the lease and staying in camp every weekend with my Dad and his buddies when I was a kid, and back then it was awesome just to be there in camp and go out and kill a deer and see the deer other people killed. And it didn't matter if it was a doe, a little buck, a big buck, a spike, or whatever, everybody was happy for you if you killed a deer. Now it seems like it's all about how big the bucks are, and everybody gets pissy if somebody kills a 2 1/2 year old 8 pt that is 15'' wide. The atmosphere has changed from hanging out and hunting with family and friends to seeing who can kill the biggest buck. I just kinda wonder if we're going the wrong way and forgetting what it's all about sometimes. I agree 100 percent.
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#900340 - 09/12/09 01:53 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Brandon A]
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Registered: 11/21/05
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ur right, people should just let u hunt their land for free..... maybe obama will put that in his obamacare plan.... I don't think he thought he should hunt for free, but I do agree that IF this works and there are BIGGER Antlers in the future, they will definitely cost more....
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#901279 - 09/13/09 12:18 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 02/18/09
Posts: 8538
Loc: Lavaca Co, Gonzales Co.
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ur right, people should just let u hunt their land for free..... maybe obama will put that in his obamacare plan.... I don't think he thought he should hunt for free, but I do agree that IF this works and there are BIGGER Antlers in the future, they will definitely cost more.... should they not?????
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#901441 - 09/13/09 08:56 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Brandon A]
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Pro Tracker
Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 1576
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
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You guys who talk about missing the good old days are living in the past and wishing for something that will never be again.
I know because I hunted back then, in the late 50's and early 60's as a boy and remember well those days.
They will never come back even if they stop all the rules because hunting is different now with the popularity, and you can blame it on horns or whatever but the fact remains its more popular now and more people are doing it.
We first hunted with hand me down military rifles and no camo.
Look how everything is commercialized with all the products and TV shows about the sport, so wish all you want, but something has to be done to regulate the masses or lets just let it all die and we just be allowed to shoot what we want and all this will go away.
If that is what you want, then you are a selfish person and only thinking about yourself, so when I read these threads about people not liking or wanting AR's, it's not about the horns, because what I see selfishness, and wanting to have it all for yourselves.
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#901711 - 09/13/09 11:57 AM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Jimbo]
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 10694
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You guys who talk about missing the good old days are living in the past and wishing for something that will never be again.
I know because I hunted back then, in the late 50's and early 60's as a boy and remember well those days.
They will never come back even if they stop all the rules because hunting is different now with the popularity, and you can blame it on horns or whatever but the fact remains its more popular now and more people are doing it.
We first hunted with hand me down military rifles and no camo.
Look how everything is commercialized with all the products and TV shows about the sport, so wish all you want, but something has to be done to regulate the masses or lets just let it all die and we just be allowed to shoot what we want and all this will go away.
If that is what you want, then you are a selfish person and only thinking about yourself, so when I read these threads about people not liking or wanting AR's, it's not about the horns, because what I see selfishness, and wanting to have it all for yourselves. How is not liking the government intervention on hehalf of a small vocal group, selfish? I think there may be a lot of stereotyping as to someone's background, rationale, and stance on AR's.
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#901883 - 09/13/09 01:52 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
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Woodsman
Registered: 03/02/09
Posts: 202
Loc: Snook TX
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[quote=sig226fan --- How is not liking the government intervention on hehalf of a small vocal group, selfish?
I think there may be a lot of stereotyping as to someone's background, rationale, and stance on AR's. [/quote]
What small vocal group in a SEVEN county area (original AR zone) was able to influence TX P&W so well? Or do you have a local small vocal group?
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#902167 - 09/13/09 04:30 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: 10pointers]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 01/10/09
Posts: 50
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that is the reason right there for ar's.2 buck county's suck because every body shoots 2 decent bucks,tha could grow up to be big bucks.
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#902168 - 09/13/09 04:30 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: GSS]
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Registered: 11/16/04
Posts: 945
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Haven't ya'll been watching the news? These small groups are also refered to as mobs and Nazis. 
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#902199 - 09/13/09 04:50 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: jigman]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 5515
Loc: Right here
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that is the reason right there for ar's.2 buck county's suck because every body shoots 2 decent bucks,tha could grow up to be big bucks. but bigger doesn't mean more tender! 
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#902255 - 09/13/09 05:28 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Jimbo]
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Pro Tracker
Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 1025
Loc: East Tx
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You guys who talk about missing the good old days are living in the past and wishing for something that will never be again.
I know because I hunted back then, in the late 50's and early 60's as a boy and remember well those days.
They will never come back even if they stop all the rules because hunting is different now with the popularity, and you can blame it on horns or whatever but the fact remains its more popular now and more people are doing it.
We first hunted with hand me down military rifles and no camo.
Look how everything is commercialized with all the products and TV shows about the sport, so wish all you want, but something has to be done to regulate the masses or lets just let it all die and we just be allowed to shoot what we want and all this will go away.
If that is what you want, then you are a selfish person and only thinking about yourself, so when I read these threads about people not liking or wanting AR's, it's not about the horns, because what I see selfishness, and wanting to have it all for yourselves. Don't read to much into what I said. If you read the the 1st paragraph of my last post, you will notice what I said about what I personally choose to do. Everybody that hunts on my lease is management minded, and we were restricting the bucks we shot for a couple years before we were ever under the AR's to at least 8 points out to their ears, and not shooting too many does but enough to keep them in check. But the reason we were not shooting small bucks was because we chose not to, and not because we couldn't. I guess I just think it should be left up to hunter as far as antler size goes. As far as bag limits, they are there for a reason, and I have never used all my tags in a season. If you hunted in the 50's and 60' you were hunting for years before I was born, so you know how things used to be better than I do. Hunting for me is more enjoyable than it has ever been, because I don't have to kill anything to have a good time, I just enjoy being out there and would rather watch my wife or son kill a deer than kill one myself. Like I said, I see valid points on both sides of the AR arguments. I don't think I'm living in the past, I just want to make sure we are doing the right thing for our future.
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#902257 - 09/13/09 05:29 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: Curly]
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Woodsman
Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 114
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I dont hunt in an AR county, and its great. We shoot whatever we want. What I dont understand is why in the world would anyone complain (and no, I didnt read the entire thread)? You are really upset that you didnt get to shoot that basket racked, 1.5 yr old 8 pt? Really?
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#902359 - 09/13/09 06:30 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: southtexascracker]
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THF Celebrity
Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 10694
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We are management minded too. In the last four years, there have been two bucks, one doe, and one button buck that passed for a doe taken off the place by 5 hunters. Three of us hunt other places, two this is their only place. One buck was decent, one was close to 13, just barely over, but old, gray headed and mouthed and sway back/no neck... one meat doe, and luckily the button was take during the 4 day doe season (where supposedly everyone is killing so many does, at least all of us slob redneck poor hunters anyway).
I hunt other counties too, so "getting to shoot a deer" is never a problem, although I am running low right now on Axis meat.
But we see fewer deer of all type year after year, and the surviving bucks are small racked and getting a lot older and breeding a lot more.
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#902363 - 09/13/09 06:31 PM
Re: Antler restrictions NO POLL
[Re: southtexascracker]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 5515
Loc: Right here
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I dont hunt in an AR county, and its great. We shoot whatever we want. What I dont understand is why in the world would anyone complain (and no, I didnt read the entire thread)? You are really upset that you didnt get to shoot that basket racked, 1.5 yr old 8 pt? Really? Yes if it's maybe one of the very few you see all year and you have no doe tags and you crave venison.
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