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spraying mesquite trees
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07/18/09 04:53 AM
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jigman
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our land owner sprayed one of our pastures. every single tree has lost its leaves.2650 acres.will this ruin our season?
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804152
07/18/09 04:58 AM
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If you don't mind me asking, what part of Texas?
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804153
07/18/09 05:01 AM
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motley county just south of northfield.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/18/09 05:56 AM
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Your season is screwed. Just pack it up.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/18/09 05:57 AM
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NO it wont. the deer wont leave, the cover will still be there. good luck!
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804156
07/18/09 06:02 AM
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thanks for the info guys.man i hope your wrong duckman i am looking forward to this season.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804157
07/18/09 07:09 AM
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cattle69
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The trees loose there leaves every winter, should be no difference, but the deer do eat some parts of the mequite tree. It will be worse when he sells all the dead mesquite to a wood cutter to come cut down after deer season and the wood has cured. Sounds to me you are leaseing from a guy who only cares about grazing. Needs to be a happy medium can't believe he did the whole pasture, unless it is one huge ranch.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804158
07/18/09 07:30 AM
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I had a lease once where everything was sprayed. We called it no mans land becuase nothing ever came into that area. Good luck
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/18/09 07:47 AM
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thanks guys. im going to have a talk with him.he told us he would be spraying but i could not believe he did the whole pasture.he owns 12000 acres and he says he rotates spraying half every three to five years.i didnt think it would be every stinkin tree.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/19/09 01:05 AM
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About 1/3 of one of multiple pastures we lease burned last spring. Killed all of the mesquites. Although the grass and ground cover came back, the trees were dead as a door nail. Unfortunately, I have to say that the deer never really returned to the burned area with the dead mesquites in any substantial numbers. As a result, we gave up that pasture this year and leased another one.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/20/09 12:13 AM
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Same thing happened to us last year. Fire destroyed a big draw on our lease. Now Nothing. We dont plan on hunting that part at all this year.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/20/09 06:46 AM
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This also depends on how big the trees were. Were they the little shrubs or the big hard woods, also are there any other trees in the area or other types of coverage?
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/21/09 05:21 AM
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people talk about loosing trees and leaves; but i think the best managment tool and the least used is FIRE! Over grazing and lack of fire is the reason that south texas is so grown up.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/21/09 07:06 PM
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deewayne - I agree; however, we are in west TX/panhandle and trees are few and far between. They simply dont exist.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/23/09 11:15 PM
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Hunting is secondary income. Mesquite is bad for the grass. Always gonna be a conflict between good cattle country and good cover.
We sprayed our place in Spur. Wish we hadn't for the deer, but the cattle have alot to eat now.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/23/09 11:17 PM
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Quote:
Hunting is secondary income. Mesquite is bad for the grass. Always gonna be a conflict between good cattle country and good cover.
We sprayed our place in Spur. Wish we hadn't for the deer, but the cattle have alot to eat now.
This is true.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/25/09 03:10 AM
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if you are leasing the place for deer hunting,then show some consideration towards them dont just take there money and say good luck.knowing you are about to spray the whole pasture!secondary income or not you still took someones hard earned money!
Last edited by jigman; 07/25/09 03:12 AM.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/27/09 04:24 AM
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There are plenty of deep canyons and draws on the 2650 acres pasture. The deer still have lots of places to hide. Even though it's wide open now, all of the other land in that area is pretty much wide open also. I don't think it's gonna hurt a thing.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804169
07/27/09 07:44 AM
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YOU BETTER HOPE YOUR RIGHT! CLAY ALREADY SAID HE LIKES YOUR SPOT!HE SCOUTED IT OUT LAST TIME HIM AND MIKE WERE OUT THERE.THEY BOTH LIKED IT.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804170
07/27/09 09:00 AM
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They sprayed the place next to us a few years ago and it ruined it but that was the only cover there was no cactus or brush for the deer to hide in .Hope it isn't that bad for you
Never seen 'em grow bigger horns on the ground
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804171
07/28/09 05:44 PM
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jdowney4092
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Jigman... I also hunt in Motley County, but we are slightly east of Northfield. With all the canyons in the area, and the way the deer up there act, you shouldn't have a problem. Come on, how many times have you driven back to Childress, or even to Turkey right at dusk and how many deer have you seen? I was sitting in a blind 60 yards from a feeder, with little cover, and was whistling very loudly at a very nice 8 (I had already shot my buck). He didn't mind. He hung around for 45 minutes and munched some corn. The deer up there are different. What I'm more interested in is the change in limits. You should be too.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/28/09 06:00 PM
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You should be too.
I hunt up ther with jigman. You're right on the part about seeing lots of deer in the wide open. What kind of changes did they make on the limits?
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804173
07/28/09 06:06 PM
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jdowney4092
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Now a 5 deer county. 2 bucks 3 does, extended season by 2 weeks. Mule deer the same. I'm feelin it. I'm tagging out on does opening weekend, no matter what. I'm not waiting this year. I waited until after I shot my buck (around Thanksgiving) and didn't see 1 doe. Saw about 20 in the first 2 weeks.
Shootin Deers and Drinking Beers. That's how I roll.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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#804174
07/28/09 07:19 PM
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Whiterock
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sorry I didnt read every post in the string but I can say this, depending on the product he used the effective hit rate of trees could be somewhere around 65% the following year. Sure the leaves get burned off but that is cosmetic damage and not a true kill in most cases. Depending on the population of the trees, 65% less might enhance the available grass and produce a healtier deer? If there is a tree every 10 sq feet then you have 4356 trees per acre. 35% live and you still have 1500 trees to the acre. I'm not a wildlife biologist, just a ag chem guy.
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Re: spraying mesquite trees
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07/28/09 09:04 PM
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Now a 5 deer county. 2 bucks 3 does, extended season by 2 weeks. Mule deer the same. I'm feelin it. I'm tagging out on does opening weekend, no matter what. I'm not waiting this year. I waited until after I shot my buck (around Thanksgiving) and didn't see 1 doe. Saw about 20 in the first 2 weeks.
Where did you find this info? I tried to look it up on the TPWD website and it would only pull up the 08-09 season limits.
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