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#735695 - 05/28/09 06:36 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Quailhunter]
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Registered: 09/14/04
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that is what the long bow hunters say about the compound bow hunters etc etc etc its all relative. welcome cross bow hunters glad to have you in the woods! 
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#735697 - 05/28/09 10:09 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Brandon A]
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Registered: 10/06/06
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Loc: hopkins co
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Sniper John it may not offend you but somebody calling me lazy does offend me and maybe thats what he wants but the real issue on this law to me is we have a little more of a choice on weapons and the chance to get others like my dad and my daughter out hunting! Yes my daughter can pull back a 40lb bow but she wants to try a crossbow and as long as she is hunting on my land or any land that crossbows are legal its none of anybodys busniss. I will stick to my bow for now but will be happy later on in life that i will have a CHOICE in what i hunt with. How that makes me lazy i dont know but am happy we have a few educated people making policys for us hunters.
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#735698 - 05/28/09 11:12 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Hoytman]
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Registered: 09/01/04
Posts: 3063
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Crossbows will be allowed during the Archery Only season on our Public Hunting Lands under the Annual Public Hunting Permit (APH) beginning this season.
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#735699 - 05/28/09 11:37 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Jimbo]
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Registered: 10/02/08
Posts: 1061
Loc: Bedford Texas
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Just as long as we can HUNT I am all for it . We need new people in the sport.If they open a Rock throwing season in October I will try that too. Its not about being lazy its personal preference.!! And I have Bowhunted since 1984
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#735700 - 05/28/09 11:58 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Texas Cazador]
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Bird Dog
Registered: 08/04/08
Posts: 435
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I think most of us bowhunters have this notion that using a crossbow is just soooo much more easy than it actually is. My mom uses one and to be honest with you, she has one chance at an animal because it is not easy to reload it, similar to a muzzleloader, you better make that first shot count, whereas with my compound, if I do miss, I can have another arrow nocked, ready, full draw in no time, I guess nobody ever thinks of that. And I dont think most of the "gun hunters" are just gonna run out and buy a crossbow just because they can.
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#735701 - 05/28/09 04:36 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Dude Briggs]
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Bird Dog
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 358
Loc: Hill county
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All you guys arguing over whether grapevine is gonna allow crossbows in archery season might find it interesting they are going to a lottery system next year and only allowing a small # of hunters out there next deer season. So it likely won't matter if they allow xbows or not because the majority of us won't be allowed to hunt out there next year anyways. I've heard there are going to be several corp of engineers lakes going to lottery next year due to the fact they are already crowded, and them legalizing crossbows was just going to make it worse and cause over harvest of deer.
Edited by bossbowman (05/29/09 01:09 AM)
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#735702 - 05/28/09 10:56 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: bossbowman]
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Registered: 12/05/06
Posts: 1781
Loc: Saginaw, Tx
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It's a moot point now. Unfortunately the damage is done. Archery only season should be left archery only.
Cross bows are not inherently a bad thing. And for those who truly can't shoot a non-lock at full draw bow I feel that exceptions should be made. Sadly there are the scammers who take advantage of that just like handicapped parking spaces. Gun hunters have a different perspective than bow hunters about most things including scent. That is what primarily makes deer harder to hunt as the season progresses. Gun hunters don't have to be as concerned because they don't have to be as close and the animals are more aware of their presence due to that scent.
I just feel that archery season is now compromised. It allows those who don't have to put in the commitment to take the practice and consistency to be a good shot to hunt during a time frame which has been for those who for the most part had a better understanding and commitment to what it takes to do it right.
It's not limited to cross bow hunters. I have been on leases with slob hunters who claimed traditional bow hunters should be the only ones in the woods during archery season and then proceeded to wound and lose 4 or 5 deer a season.
Cross bows don't shoot farther, are generally noisier and on average probably no more accurate than someone with a quality bow who practices diligently. Problem is you don't have to practice after cross bows are sighted in because it is like shooting a gun. Line up the sights and squeeze the trigger. No form involved. No muscle memory or having to draw while an animal is close. It invites those who are less or un willing to put in the commitment because it's a good way to get in early. It takes less and in general less will be given.
I doubt in the long run it will make a difference in the whole of things but to me, and those like me, it is a loss. One that will lead to a greater loss in the future. The loss of archery season all together.
For those of you who will put in the time to control your scent and not spook animals, practice and know your limitations with the weapon and to those who physically need it to keep you in archery hunting this is a good thing.
For the slobs who will take too long of shots, go out and make it harder for the gun hunters on the lease by spooking the deer earlier with your sloppy scent control and in general not respect it for what it should be, well, I hope it doesn't do more damage to our sport than we can keep up with.
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#735704 - 05/29/09 01:20 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: passthru]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 6176
Loc: San Antone
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It's a moot point now. Unfortunately the damage is done. Archery only season should be left archery only.
Cross bows are not inherently a bad thing. And for those who truly can't shoot a non-lock at full draw bow I feel that exceptions should be made. Sadly there are the scammers who take advantage of that just like handicapped parking spaces. Gun hunters have a different perspective than bow hunters about most things including scent. That is what primarily makes deer harder to hunt as the season progresses. Gun hunters don't have to be as concerned because they don't have to be as close and the animals are more aware of their presence due to that scent.
I just feel that archery season is now compromised. It allows those who don't have to put in the commitment to take the practice and consistency to be a good shot to hunt during a time frame which has been for those who for the most part had a better understanding and commitment to what it takes to do it right.
It's not limited to cross bow hunters. I have been on leases with slob hunters who claimed traditional bow hunters should be the only ones in the woods during archery season and then proceeded to wound and lose 4 or 5 deer a season.
Cross bows don't shoot farther, are generally noisier and on average probably no more accurate than someone with a quality bow who practices diligently. Problem is you don't have to practice after cross bows are sighted in because it is like shooting a gun. Line up the sights and squeeze the trigger. No form involved. No muscle memory or having to draw while an animal is close. It invites those who are less or un willing to put in the commitment because it's a good way to get in early. It takes less and in general less will be given.
I doubt in the long run it will make a difference in the whole of things but to me, and those like me, it is a loss. One that will lead to a greater loss in the future. The loss of archery season all together.
For those of you who will put in the time to control your scent and not spook animals, practice and know your limitations with the weapon and to those who physically need it to keep you in archery hunting this is a good thing.
For the slobs who will take too long of shots, go out and make it harder for the gun hunters on the lease by spooking the deer earlier with your sloppy scent control and in general not respect it for what it should be, well, I hope it doesn't do more damage to our sport than we can keep up with.
the bad thing is, you don't even have to practice that hard w/ a compound after you get the hang of it. I shot 2 arrows this year. 1 was at a 40 yard target after getting to camp (with the aid of truck headlights b/c it was 1 in the morning)... I felt my sights to see if anything wiggled the slightest bit, the next arrow sank in a doe at 35 yards @ 7:30 the next morning. I might have shot 10 arrows the last 3 years total b/c I just dont have the time anymore. Does that make me a slob hunter? 
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#735705 - 05/29/09 01:34 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: rifleman]
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Bird Dog
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 358
Loc: Hill county
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I might have shot 10 arrows the last 3 years total b/c I just dont have the time anymore. Does that make me a slob hunter?
How many deer have you wounded the past 3 years?
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Cross bows don't shoot farther, are generally noisier and on average probably no more accurate than someone with a quality bow who practices
Actually that one pictured above shoots 1 inch groups at 100 yards, check out the youtube videos of it "TAC 15". I have several problems with them allowing xbows into october archery only season.
#1 some will see this as an opportunity in the future to legalize muzzleloaders in october, or youth rifle like they tried this year. As technology increases the distance and speed of xbows, there will seem less and less need for an archery season. The ones who pushed this bill through were disscussing this exact thing in austin when they showed up in support of the bill.
#2 you will have alot of slobs out there going out and buying a xbow, never shooting it until opening day and wounding deer, I see the same thing every year with some rifle hunters, they see no reason to practice... not that they couldn't do this with a compound bow but a crossbow makes it even easier to actually get an arrow off since you don't have to draw the bow in the presence of game, alot of these slob hunters just spooked the deer off before, now I'm worried your gonna see deer with bolts sticking out of them.
For all considering going out and buying a crossbow, there is one big disadvantage, with a xbow its alot like a muzzleloader, its a one shot deal, impossible to reload quickly. With a compounds or tradtional bow, if needed you can get off a second shot quickly, something to think about.
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#735706 - 05/29/09 01:47 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: bossbowman]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 6176
Loc: San Antone
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I might have shot 10 arrows the last 3 years total b/c I just dont have the time anymore. Does that make me a slob hunter?
How many deer have you wounded the past 3 years?
have only wounded 1 deer my 13 years of bowhunting. And that was a case of head up arse syndrome, the side rails of climbers and bottom cams just don't mix well together. Arrow took a nosedive and barely nicked him across the belly. Saw that deer a week after season while hog huntin' and he seemed care-free under the feeder. In the last 3 years I've taken 3 shots at critters, 2 deer and 1 hog, all recovered withing about 60 yards.
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#735707 - 05/29/09 05:23 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: bossbowman]
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Woodsman
Registered: 09/03/04
Posts: 192
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bossbowman your closing statement about crossbows being a "one shot deal" is just not factual.I can have mine "reloaded" in about 10 seconds if need be.Of course I prefer to reload it at a more leisurely pace but in an emergency,yeah about 10 seconds.
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#735708 - 05/29/09 05:37 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: swampthang]
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THF Trophy Hunter
Registered: 11/19/08
Posts: 6176
Loc: San Antone
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I agree with ya swampthing, I can get my dad's crossbow reloaded in a hurry, probably close to 5 seconds after pulling the trigger.
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#735709 - 05/29/09 10:04 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: rifleman]
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Registered: 10/06/06
Posts: 2445
Loc: hopkins co
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Trust me when i say there are alot of slob bowhunters out there too! Every rookie bowhunter that starts out will make a mistake and even experianced bowhunters will lose a deer sooner than later and if they say they havent then there lying. If crossbows are supposedly more accurate than the whole argument gets blown out of the water cause that means less wounded deer! It will take less practice than a compound to master and less skill to shoot because its already cocked but for all the guys that think its gonna ruin bowseason go back to a long bow or a recurve if ya want more challenges. One thing i think will happen is more people will want to try this and go hunting and i welcolme them to the brotherhood and for those that opose the crossbow nobody is twisting your arm and telling you you have to use one.
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#735710 - 05/29/09 03:18 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Hoytman]
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Bird Dog
Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 358
Loc: Hill county
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bossbowman your closing statement about crossbows being a "one shot deal" is just not factual.I can have mine "reloaded" in about 10 seconds if need be.
10 seconds is a LONG time, couple that with how loud a crossbow is when fired, they have a 175 to 250 lbs draw weight that energy has to go somewhere and when released it results in loud sound, its a one shot deal.
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#735711 - 05/29/09 03:58 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: bossbowman]
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Woodsman
Registered: 09/03/04
Posts: 192
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If you need to get off a "quick second shot" with a bow you dont need to be in the woods hunting,you need to be at the range practicing. Any shot with any bow should be a one time deal.
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#735712 - 05/30/09 05:41 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: swampthang]
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Registered: 08/31/05
Posts: 5246
Loc: North Texas
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Wow, that Tach 15 is huge. I wonder how long that is when on the AR15 receiver? Just the upper crossbow without the receiver and stock is over 8 pounds. It will be a heavy sucker.
You know there could be a legal problem with them. And you have to throw logic out the window when you get into wording of laws, enforcement to the "letter of the law", and the ATF. Remember the 1998 ATF ruling where it was decided that "in line" muzzleloaders using firearm primers were declared to be legal firearms and subject to the laws of same. They no longer were muzzleloaders at that point. Legally they became firearms depite the logic that they technically where no different than an "in line" using a percussion cap.
The Tach 15 using a firearm receiver will legally be a firearm and fall under laws of same to the ATF. Even a stripped AR15 receiver is legally a firearm. Could be looked at that way by some game departments or other law enforcement when taken into areas where firearms are not allowed.
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#735713 - 05/30/09 05:47 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: swampthang]
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Registered: 11/14/07
Posts: 11574
Loc: Latexo, tx
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If you need to get off a "quick second shot" with a bow you dont need to be in the woods hunting,you need to be at the range practicing. Any shot with any bow should be a one time deal.
Are you really saying you have never and will never miss with a bow?
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#735714 - 05/30/09 06:01 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: helomech]
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Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 1699
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
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Nobody can have too much range time, but it does happen.
You hunt long enough it WILL happen!
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#735716 - 05/31/09 03:25 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: helomech]
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Woodsman
Registered: 09/03/04
Posts: 192
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If you need to get off a "quick second shot" with a bow you dont need to be in the woods hunting,you need to be at the range practicing. Any shot with any bow should be a one time deal.
Are you really saying you have never and will never miss with a bow?
No I have shot at deer and missed but I didn't feel I had to nock a second arrow at blazing speed.If the deer didn't spook and run off consider yourself lucky and just calmly "reload".It's a non-issue.The only time I would think you would need to get off a quick second shot is if you were being attacked by a Sasquatch.Which is silly and laughable because everyone knows they are only found in the pacific northwest.
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#735717 - 05/31/09 03:38 AM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: swampthang]
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THF Celebrity
Registered: 11/14/07
Posts: 11574
Loc: Latexo, tx
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If you need to get off a "quick second shot" with a bow you dont need to be in the woods hunting,you need to be at the range practicing. Any shot with any bow should be a one time deal.
Are you really saying you have never and will never miss with a bow?
No I have shot at deer and missed but I didn't feel I had to nock a second arrow at blazing speed.If the deer didn't spook and run off consider yourself lucky and just calmly "reload".It's a non-issue.The only time I would think you would need to get off a quick second shot is if you were being attacked by a Sasquatch.Which is silly and laughable because everyone knows they are only found in the pacific northwest.
Oh, I understand that. I have missed deer before, and they did not hang around long enough for me to even think about getting another arrow nocked.
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#735718 - 06/10/09 07:50 PM
Re: Crossbow Bill has become law
[Re: Sniper John]
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Registered: 07/31/06
Posts: 647
Loc: Climax, Tx
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Surely they will not allow crossbows at Hagerman Wildlife Refuge - Will they??
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