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 Re: Ammo dilemma
[Re: mohunter]
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11/22/14 11:36 PM
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No need for 3 1/2'S, they do not give you anymore distance.
More importantly, why are you taking 40-45 yard shots, unless they are on the way out and you are cleaning up that is a shot that is going to cripple more times than kill.
I see people taking these shots all the time on birds they can not finish, if we can not finish them closer than that, we will not take that shot, more times than not it just results in crippled birds all over the lake. I shoot lots of second birds 40-50 out in the rear end- that is were you need 3.5- stone them dead-30% more lead. I shoot both #3 and #2. I rarely cripple birds. On decoying ducks- don't think it matters what you use if u smack them in the face. I would shoot a better load- I swear by heavy metal 3 and 3.5 inch. Very reasonable at Rogers online
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/22/14 11:40 PM
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You might consider something in between. I've used a Decoy (Light-Modified) choke in my Benellis for about 15 years now. The only time it comes out of the gun is when I am cleaning the gun. Honsetly cannot remember the last time I used IC or Pass (Improved-Modified) choke. I shoot Kent 3" 1 1/8 oz. 1550fps shells. Speed Kills! Tomcat- u measure the bore? I believe flooded timber is typically skeet, decoy is IC, passing is mod.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/23/14 02:25 AM
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2 3/4 #4 remingtons from academy work great for me. Especially on a teacher's salary at $12 a box.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
[Re: Greekangler]
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11/23/14 03:22 AM
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You might consider something in between. I've used a Decoy (Light-Modified) choke in my Benellis for about 15 years now. The only time it comes out of the gun is when I am cleaning the gun. Honsetly cannot remember the last time I used IC or Pass (Improved-Modified) choke. I shoot Kent 3" 1 1/8 oz. 1550fps shells. Speed Kills! Tomcat- u measure the bore? I believe flooded timber is typically skeet, decoy is IC, passing is mod. Nope. Just going by the manufacturer's numbers/labels. I've had very good results so haven't fealt the need to do my own measurements.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 02:40 AM
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2 3/4 #4 remingtons from academy work great for me. Especially on a teacher's salary at $12 a box. Honestly, I don't think any of my duck guns have ever seen a Remington shell.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
[Re: Greekangler]
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11/24/14 03:49 AM
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No need for 3 1/2'S, they do not give you anymore distance.
More importantly, why are you taking 40-45 yard shots, unless they are on the way out and you are cleaning up that is a shot that is going to cripple more times than kill.
I see people taking these shots all the time on birds they can not finish, if we can not finish them closer than that, we will not take that shot, more times than not it just results in crippled birds all over the lake. I shoot lots of second birds 40-50 out in the rear end- that is were you need 3.5- stone them dead-30% more lead. I shoot both #3 and #2. I rarely cripple birds. On decoying ducks- don't think it matters what you use if u smack them in the face. I would shoot a better load- I swear by heavy metal 3 and 3.5 inch. Very reasonable at Rogers online That's why, you're using lead !
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 02:34 PM
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3" Kent #4's for my Maxus. I have always wondered how you account for shot string when patterning your guns?
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 03:00 PM
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Scooter..... I'm not one for jumping around trying new shells and have shot drylok 3"- #3's for a many, many years. But I recently took a trip to Canada and the outfitter was furnishing the shells. When I noticed they were Remington Sportsman 3" - #4 at 1300 FPS I wanted to hitch a ride to town to buy my own. We had 11 hunts with nine shooters and shot almost 22 cases of shells and I have never witnessed a shell killing birds like it did. We shot greaters, lessor's, snows and ducks and it was truly amazing. I'm not sure why but it made a believer in 9 very seasoned waterfowlers. Good luck.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 03:50 PM
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I hunt with folks that use cheap shells from Wally and Academy, 12GA 2 3/4 #6 as well as 20g 3 inch #4-#6. They consistently spank more ducks using patterned and properly choked shotguns than folks shooting fancy pants Hevi-kryptonite-blah-blah-blah shells costing $5000 per shot out of high -dollar shotguns.
I have yet to see a shotgun that shoots the same POI from a POA with different shells and chokes. Yet hunters will shoot a smorgasbord of shells out of a shotgun during a season and bitch why they can't hit anything. The same hunters that go deer hunting with a scoped rifle that they've spent adequate time sighting in at the range. Go figure.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 03:57 PM
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3" Kent #4's for my Maxus. I have always wondered how you account for shot string when patterning your guns? If you lead a target properly, shot string is an insurance policy to ensure that the target and some of the shot converge at the exact same same point in time and space. IMHO, shot string isn't that much of a factor at shorter engagement distances.
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 04:06 PM
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I hunt with folks that use cheap shells from Wally and Academy, 12GA 2 3/4 #6 as well as 20g 3 inch #4-#6. They consistently spank more ducks using patterned and properly choked shotguns than folks shooting fancy pants Hevi-kryptonite-blah-blah-blah shells costing $5000 per shot out of high -dollar shotguns.
I have yet to see a shotgun that shoots the same POI from a POA with different shells and chokes. Yet hunters will shoot a smorgasbord of shells out of a shotgun during a season and bitch why they can't hit anything. The same hunters that go deer hunting with a scoped rifle that they've spent adequate time sighting in at the range. Go figure.
Its very good for the economy, let them... USA is the biggest consumption driven economy in the World. People keep on buying stuff they cant afford. If we stop buying stupid stuff the country will go to the 
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/24/14 07:04 PM
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I wonder if that extra recoil is what's getting to you with the 3.5"ers? You can get very scientific patterning your shotgun or you could just bring a couple scraps of cardboard with you on your next hunt and set them up and shoot them after your hunt. No $15 range fee required. Does the pattern look good or not...would you put several pellets in a duck at the range you want or not?
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Re: Ammo dilemma
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11/25/14 07:10 AM
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Marc, that would explain 2nd and 3rd shot mistakes- but not cupped and committed 1st shot whiffs. It was probably me and my terrible shooting from the layout blind- I have noticed a few times that my shotgun is not anchored where it needs to be when I pop up and shoot. I have since become hyper-aware when I come up out of the layout to mount, aim, then shoot. Nerves get the best of me sometimes.
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