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#5068831 - 04/13/14 07:55 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: rifleman]
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Why, DC, you mean to tell me while we were having to buy hay for over $100 a roll during the drought and cattlemen were dropping like flies, these folks were getting thousands of acres for <$2 an animal?


It's okay, it is a form of welfare for the rancher program, once they get on the BLM teat, it is hard to let go. Kind of like the Lone Star Card, once they get on it, hard to get them muzzle broke.

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#5068834 - 04/13/14 07:57 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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Where was all this outcry when the government was taking away the Indians land?

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#5068842 - 04/13/14 08:01 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: txtrophy85]
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Where was all this outcry when the government was taking away the Indians land?




Lakota Accounts of the Massacre at Wounded Knee



From the Report of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs for 1891, volume 1, pages 179-181. Extracts from verbatim stenographic report of council held by delegations of Sioux with Commissioner of Indian Affairs, at Washington, February 11, 1891.



TURNING HAWK, Pine Ridge (Mr. Cook, interpreter). Mr. Commissioner, my purpose to-day is to tell you what I know of the condition of affairs at the agency where I live. A certain falsehood came to our agency from the west which had the effect of a fire upon the Indians, and when this certain fire came upon our people those who had farsightedness and could see into the matter made up their minds to stand up against it and fight it. The reason we took this hostile attitude to this fire was because we believed that you yourself would not be in favor of this particular mischief-making thing; but just as we expected, the people in authority did not like this thing and we were quietly told that we must give up or have nothing to do with this certain movement. Though this is the advice form our good friends in the east, there were, of course, many silly young men who were longing to become identified with the movement, although they knew that there was nothing absolutely bad, nor did they know there was anything absolutely good, in connection with the movement.

In the course of time we heard that the soldiers were moving toward the scene of trouble. After awhile some of the soldiers finally reached our place and we heard that a number of them also reached our friends at Rosebud. Of course, when a large body of soldiers is moving toward a certain direction they inspire a more or less amount of awe, and it is natural that the women and children who see this large moving mass are made afraid of it and be put in a condition to make them run away. At first we thought the Pine Ridge and Rosebud were the only two agencies where soldiers were sent, but finally we heard that the other agencies fared likewise. We heard and saw that about half our friends at Rosebud agency, from fear at seeing the soldiers, began the move of running away from their agency toward ours (Pine Ridge), and when they had gotten inside of our reservation they there learned that right ahead of them at our agency was another large crowd of soldiers, and while the soldiers were there, there was constantly a great deal of false rumor flying back and forth. The special rumor I have in mind is the threat that the soldiers had come there to disarm the Indians entirely and to take away all their horses from them. That was the oft-repeated story.

So constantly repeated was this story that our friends from Rosebud, instead of going to Pine Ridge, the place of their destination, veered off and went to some other direction toward the "Bad Lands." We did not know definitely how many, but understood there were 300 lodges of them, about 1,700 people. Eagle Pipe, Turning Bear, High Hawk, Short Bull, Lance, No Flesh, Pine Bird, Crow Dog, Two Strike, and White Horse were the leaders.

Well, the people after veering off in this way, many of them who believe in peace and order at our agency, were very anxious that some influence should be brought upon these people. In addition to our love of peace we remembered that many of these people were related to us by blood. So we sent out peace commissioners to the people who were thus running away from their agency.

I understood at the time that they were simply going away from fear because of so many soldiers. So constant was the word of these good men from Pine Ridge agency that finally they succeeded in getting away half of the party from Rosebud, from the place where they took refuge, and finally were brought to the agency at Pine Ridge. Young-Man-Afraid-of-his-Horses, Little Wound, Fast Thunder, Louis Shangreau, John Grass, Jack Red Cloud, and myself were some of these peace-makers.

The remnant of the party from Rosebud not taken to the agency finally reached the wilds of the Bad Lands. Seeing that we had succeeded so well, once more we sent to the same party in the Bad Lands and succeeded in bringing these very Indians out of the depths of the Bad Lands and were being brought toward the agency. When we were about a day's journey from our agency we heard that a certain party of Indians (Big Foot's band) from the Cheyenne River agency was coming toward Pine Ridge in flight.



CAPTAIN SWORD. Those who actually went off of the Cheyenne River agency probably number 303, and there were a few from the Standing Rock reserve with them, but as to their number I do not know. There were a number of Ogalallas, old men and several school boys, coming back with that very same party, and one of the very seriously wounded boys was a member of the Ogalalla boarding school at Pine Ridge agency. He was not on the warpath, but was simply returning home to his agency and to his school after a summer visit to relatives on the Cheyenne river.



TURNING HAWK. When we heard that these people were coming toward our agency we also heard this. These people were coming toward Pine Ridge agency, and when they were almost on the agency they were met by the soldiers and surrounded and finally taken to the Wounded Knee creek, and there at a given time their guns were demanded. When they had delivered them up, the men were separated from their families, from the tipis, and taken to a certain spot. When the guns were thus taken and the men thus separated, there was a crazy man, a young man of very bad influence and in fact a nobody, among that bunch of Indians fired his gun, and of course the firing of a gun must have been the breaking of a military rule of some sort, because immediately the soldiers returned fire and indiscriminate killing followed.



SPOTTED HORSE. This man shot an officer in the army; the first shot killed this officer. I was a voluntary scout at that encounter and I saw exactly what was done, and that was what I noticed; that the first shot killed an officer. As soon as this shot was fired the Indians immediately began drawing their knives, and they were exhorted from all sides to desist, but this was not obeyed. Consequently the firing began immediately on the part of the soldiers.



TURNING HAWK. All the men who were in a bunch were killed right there, and those who escaped that first fire got into the ravine, and as they went along up the ravine for a long distance they were pursued on both sides by the soldiers and shot down, as the dead bodies showed afterwards. The women were standing off at a different place form where the men were stationed, and when the firing began, those of the men who escaped the first onslaught went in one direction up the ravine, and then the women, who were bunched together at another place, went entirely in a different direction through an open field, and the women fared the same fate as the men who went up the deep ravine.



AMERICAN HORSE. The men were separated, as has already been said, from the women, and they were surrounded by the soldiers. Then came next the village of the Indians and that was entirely surrounded by the soldiers also. When the firing began, of course the people who were standing immediately around the young man who fired the first shot were killed right together, and then they turned their guns, Hotchkill guns, etc., upon the women who were in the lodges standing there under a flag of truce, and of course as soon as they were fired upon they fled, the men fleeing in one direction and the women running in two different directions. So that there were three general directions in which they took flight.

There was a woman with an infant in her arms who was killed as she almost touched the flag of truce, and the women and children of course were strewn all along the circular village until they were dispatched. Right near the flag of truce a mother was shot down with her infant; the child not knowing that its mother was dead was still nursing, and that especially was a very sad sight. The women as they were fleeing with their babes were killed together, shot right through, and the women who were very heavy with child were also killed. All the Indians fled in these three directions, and after most all of them had been killed a cry was made that all those who were not killed wounded should come forth and they would be safe. Little boys who were not wounded came out of their places of refuge, and as soon as they came in sight a number of soldiers surrounded them and butchered them there.

Of course we all feel very sad about this affair. I stood very loyal to the government all through those troublesome days, and believing so much in the government and being so loyal to it, my disappointment was very strong, and I have come to Washington with a very great blame on my heart. Of course it would have been all right if only the men were killed; we would feel almost grateful for it. But the fact of the killing of the women, and more especially the killing of the young boys and girls who are to go to make up the future strength of the Indian people, is the saddest part of the whole affair and we feel it very sorely.

I was not there at the time before the burial of the bodies, but I did go there with some of the police and the Indian doctor and a great many of the people, men from the agency, and we went through the battlefield and saw where the bodies were from the track of the blood.



TURNING HAWK. I had just reached the point where I said that the women were killed. We heard, besides the killing of the men, of the onslaught also made upon the women and children, and they were treated as roughly and indiscriminately as the men and boys were.

Of course this affair brought a great deal of distress upon all the people, but especially upon the minds of those who stood loyal to the government and who did all that they were able to do in the matter of bringing about peace. They especially have suffered much distress and are very much hurt at heart. These peace-makers continued on in their good work, but there were a great many fickle young men who were ready to be moved by the change in the events there, and consequently, in spite of the great fire that was brought upon all, they were ready to assume any hostile attitude. These young men got themselves in readiness and went in the direction of the scene of battle so they might be of service there. They got there and finally exchanged shots with the soldiers. This party of young men was made up from Rosebud, Ogalalla (Pine Ridge), and members of any other agencies that happened to be there at the time. While this was going on in the neighborhood of Wounded Knee-the Indians and soldiers exchanging shots-the agency, our home, was also fired into by the Indians. Matters went on in this strain until the evening came on, and then the Indians went off down by White Clay creek. When the agency was fired upon by the Indians from the hillside, of course the shots were returned by the Indian police who were guarding the agency buildings.

Although fighting seemed to have been in the air, yet those who believed in peace were still constant at their work. Young-Man-Afraid-of-his-Horses, who had been on a visit to some other agency in the north or northwest, returned, and immediately went out to the people living about White Clay creek, on the border of the Bad Lands, and brought his people out. He succeeded in obtaining the consent of the people to come out of their place of refuge and return to the agency. Thus the remaining portion of the Indians who started from Rosebud were brought back into the agency. Mr. Commissioner, during the days of the great whirlwind out there, those good men tried to hold up a counteracting power, and that was "Peace." We have now come to realize that peace has prevailed and won the day. While we were engaged in bringing about peace our property was left behind, of course, and most of us have lost everything, even down to the matter of guns with which to kill ducks, rabbits, etc, shotguns, and guns of that order. When Young-Man-Afraid brought the people in and their guns were asked for, both men who were called hostile and men who stood loyal to the government delivered up their guns.

[TEXT: James Mooney, The Ghost-dance Religion and the Sioux Outbreak of 1890, 14th Annual Report of the Bureau of American Ethnology, Part 2 (1896)]


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#5068855 - 04/13/14 08:06 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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Then there's this that dates back to around the time the place was settled. Didn't want any competition if you weren't in the clique.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1386232/Mormon-leader-ordered-massacre-of-settlers.html
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#5069049 - 04/13/14 09:45 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: BOB7]
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Today it's ranchers in Nevada tomorrow it may be you and your property and hunting rights

http://gctelegram.com/news/County-prairie-chicken-letter-4-8-14

Finney County commissioners hope to have a seat at the table when conservation rules are drawn up regarding the lesser prairie chicken being listed as a threatened species.

The commission signed a letter to the Bureau of Land Management on Monday, requesting the county be granted coordinating status during revision of the BLM resource management plan and preparation of an Environmental Impact Statement related to the lesser prairie chicken listing.

The letter was proposed by Jim Carlson, executive director of the Kansas National Resource Coalition, in response to a letter the BLM sent to counties within the KNRC requesting some local government participation in the process.

"They're coming at us. What I'm saying is these federal initiatives, the rule making is going to be part of the process. The only question is whether local government is going to participate. The coordinating status allows you to do that," Carlson said.

County commissioners didn't like the tone of the letter received by BLM, which made reference to cooperation rather than coordination, a more limited status according to Carlson.

"It sounds to me like they don't want us to participate in anything. They're gonna cover us up with fluff and do what they want to do," Commissioner Larry Jones said.

"I think we need to put some bureaucrats on the Endangered Species list," Commissioner Dave Jones quipped.

The county has been working with KNRC for more than a year and with 31 other western Kansas counties to develop their own conservation plan for the lesser prairie chicken. The county signed off in August on a KNRC natural resource coordination plan and Lesser Prairie Chicken conservation, management and study plan.

Carlson indicated the KNRC is still dedicated to changing the direction of the bird's listing. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced on March 27 plans to list the lesser prairie chicken as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act, primarily due to habitat loss. The bird's range includes western Kansas and areas of Colorado, New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma.

Historically, the resource management plan has been done state by state, Carlson said, but now the plan consolidates Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, mirroring the lesser prairie chicken's habitat. Carlson said the resource management plan also will address endangered species and wildlife habitat.

Carlson believes it's important to challenge the listing of the lesser prairie chicken as a threatened species before it is finalized. The decision is anticipated to go into effect around May 1.

According to Carlson, coordinating status means the county's concerns must be heard and considered by the BLM because the county previously adopted a Natural Resource Coordination Plan that includes resource priorities and methods for evaluating impacts due to major federal action, such as listing of the prairie chicken.

"This is the county land use plan as pertains to federal initiatives. You have a land use plan in place that if you invoke coordination, the Bureau of Land Management has to attempt consistency with it. They have to take this plan. They have to, and they will," Carlson said.

Resources addressed in the NRCP include energy extraction, water quality and resources, general agriculture, farming and ranching, maintaining multiple land use priorities, livestock grazing and management, wildlife and threatened species, habitat conservation, and vegetation and invasive species management.

"All of those priorities need to be examined during any major federal initiative. It's now incumbent upon BLM to reconcile the consistency with your plan," Carlson said. "It's a very big deal. It puts you in the seat where you can ask questions, and you can slow the process down, and we can have a look at the economics, provide data and BLM has to look at it."

Carlson added that he will be meeting with ExxonMobil executives this week in an attempt to enlist the corporation's assistance in trying to turn back the lesser prairie chicken ruling.
- See more at: http://gctelegram.com/news/County-prairie-chicken-letter-4-8-14#sthash.4QMYfUek.dpuf


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#5069058 - 04/13/14 09:52 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: BOB7]
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Originally Posted By: hoof n wings
1) Post a link where the BLM has taken some ones land, that they lawfully own
There were 50 families that were forced off the their allotments, no ownership, just were regulated to the point ranching was no longer viable

So IF the BLM determined the land was being over grazed, it's the BLMs fault that the ranchers weren't profitable?

2) Post a link to where the BLM is offering land for sale everyday
The BLM is not selling them.

The stated ranches that are sold is deeded land with an allotment attached for X number of animals, but as you can see there is a risk that someone may choose to force you off your allotment
How can someone force you off an allotment, IF you have it legally without them buying you out? Also from what I've read, no one was buying land, as most lands were homesteaded around/before 1900

3) Yes Bundy is fighting.... if you had access to 1,000s of acres for free, you would also fight for it. However, he's had 2 trials where he lost that right... but I guess you would "keep up a good fight" also
It was wasn't free until the BLM tried to regulate him to the point of it no longer possible to pay the fee's based on the number of animals or the fencing required to keep the animals out of restricted areas
He signed a contract with the BLM, IF he didn't like the rules, he should have ran cattle on his 160 he owned. Funny how he couldn't do the fencing required with the BLM contract, but yet his daughter brags that he paid for all the water supplies and fencing?

4) No, I don't feel that a corrupt politician or his son should buy the land and lease it out, however, the land is question is over 100 miles away from Bundys land.
There are numerous sights showing the proposal is within the allotments
Everything I've read says the sites are 100+ miles from Bundy

5) I don't relate to it, as Texas is privately owned( for the most part) and the land would have to be bought from the owner.
As far as "forcing" other ranchers out, do you think they should be able to do whatever they want with land that's not theirs.

Last I heard it was state land- maybe even belongs to the US, but they are contracted to "run" the land

The ranchers should have the same rights as anyone, even if you are an elected official or special interest group trying to save the wild horse and burro
He has rights, which were two court cases where it was determined that he had to abide by what the contract stated and if not he could gather his cattle and go home. I fail to see what wild horses or burros have to do with this, but agree on the corrupt elected officials


Originally Posted By: BOB7


... or the guy that lost his deeded land on the red river to the BLM and the others their going after now.

BLM ranches have been and are for sale everyday.

Bundy has chosen to fight .
But you on the other hand feel it would be better for a corrupt elected official and a Chinese company to buy it for a fraction of it value.
I can't relate with that thought process
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#5069064 - 04/13/14 09:56 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: txtrophy85]
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Sounds like someone not only supports Bundy, but maybe all the others that feel they are entitled. Jester, please explain how the BLM has overstepped it's bounds?

Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Originally Posted By: JesterGrin_1
I could go on a long Rant but it will make no difference except to vent.

But some of these replies have really set me back in thinking there is no way some of these replies are from AMERICANS much less True TEXANS.

We should support people like Bundy's Ranch or Anyone or Anyplace in the U.S.A. where the Government overstep there bounds of which is going on in Mass today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFJaVo-YPg8



I can't believe americans support squatters......oh wait yes I can, look who is in our current office....





have you even researched the issue or are you getting your info from Fox news and other crackpot sites like the ones that were posted here earlier?
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Widgeons shall now be known as democrats. Living off the hard work of others

Originally Posted By: whitewing maniac
The best meat is always at home.

Originally Posted By: 30ft jon boat
imo I think your opinion sucks on a donkey's butt....

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#5069066 - 04/13/14 09:56 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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#5069073 - 04/13/14 09:59 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: txtrophy85]
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The internet hadn't been invented, so there weren't millions of misinformed people yet.... roflmao
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Where was all this outcry when the government was taking away the Indians land?
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Widgeons shall now be known as democrats. Living off the hard work of others

Originally Posted By: whitewing maniac
The best meat is always at home.

Originally Posted By: 30ft jon boat
imo I think your opinion sucks on a donkey's butt....

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#5069096 - 04/13/14 10:14 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: HWY_MAN]
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Quote:
And I don't believe in playing fair when it's a rigged game.


Where was it rigged?


The game is rigged.


http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/u...M_-_Bund#UNREAD


Edited by cdoan02 (04/13/14 10:14 PM)

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#5069107 - 04/13/14 10:19 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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Sounds like someone not only supports Bundy, but maybe all the others that feel they are entitled. Jester, please explain how the BLM has overstepped it's bounds?


Technically, there are NO BOUNDS to the BLM's power, so it cannot overstep them... That's what the issue is.

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#5069123 - 04/13/14 10:37 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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Bundy is a SQUATTER!, PERIOD. I'm sick and tired of picking up other peoples slack. Am I wrong? My Wife and I have spent the last few days working on our taxes, of which we pay religiously. Am I happy about it? No. We pay more in property taxes each year than most people earn in a year. We don't have children to educate either. That's the price for living in a civilized society.
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#5069130 - 04/13/14 10:46 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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Originally Posted By: BOB7
Originally Posted By: hoof n wings
1) Post a link where the BLM has taken some ones land, that they lawfully own
There were 50 families that were forced off the their allotments, no ownership, just were regulated to the point ranching was no longer viable

So IF the BLM determined the land was being over grazed, it's the BLMs fault that the ranchers weren't profitable?
They cut the cattle numbers because of the desert tortoise habitat, which was just an attempt to force the ranchers out.
It had nothing to do with overgrazing

2) Post a link to where the BLM is offering land for sale everyday
The BLM is not selling them.

The stated ranches that are sold is deeded land with an allotment attached for X number of animals, but as you can see there is a risk that someone may choose to force you off your allotment
How can someone force you off an allotment, IF you have it legally without them buying you out? Also from what I've read, no one was buying land, as most lands were homesteaded around/before 1900
Ranches with BLM allotments attached are sold everyday
Based on this case you can see how they could force you of the allotment by cutting your animal numbers to the point it would be cost prohibitive

3) Yes Bundy is fighting.... if you had access to 1,000s of acres for free, you would also fight for it. However, he's had 2 trials where he lost that right... but I guess you would "keep up a good fight" also
It was wasn't free until the BLM tried to regulate him to the point of it no longer possible to pay the fee's based on the number of animals or the fencing required to keep the animals out of restricted areas
He signed a contract with the BLM, IF he didn't like the rules, he should have ran cattle on his 160 he owned. Funny how he couldn't do the fencing required with the BLM contract, but yet his daughter brags that he paid for all the water supplies and fencing?
He didn't sign the new contract that's why he never paid because he didn't have an agreed contract and went to court trying to resolve the issue in which he lost.
The blm wasn't being paid so the Bundys took care of the ranch( fence and water)themselves

4) No, I don't feel that a corrupt politician or his son should buy the land and lease it out, however, the land is question is over 100 miles away from Bundys land.
There are numerous sights showing the proposal is within the allotments
Everything I've read says the sites are 100+ miles from Bundy

5) I don't relate to it, as Texas is privately owned( for the most part) and the land would have to be bought from the owner.
As far as "forcing" other ranchers out, do you think they should be able to do whatever they want with land that's not theirs.
They wanted a fair number of cattle like in the past and not strong armed by the endangered species act for a tortoise that had coexisted together for 100's of years

Last I heard it was state land- maybe even belongs to the US, but they are contracted to "run" the land

The ranchers should have the same rights as anyone, even if you are an elected official or special interest group trying to save the wild horse and burro
He has rights, which were two court cases where it was determined that he had to abide by what the contract stated and if not he could gather his cattle and go home. I fail to see what wild horses or burros have to do with this, but agree on the corrupt elected officials

Lots of well funded groups have been suing to have cattle removed in order to support the wild horse and burro
Some claim that's the real story behind removing h ranchers

Some claim its the water they're after for the city of Las Vegas

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#5069132 - 04/13/14 10:50 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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How many cows can you run on 160acres of scrub land? smirk

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#5069133 - 04/13/14 10:53 PM Re: Cliven Bunday.... Nevada rancher [Re: hoof n wings]
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You know it's easy to make assumptions. Some of these armchair quarterbacks should take note. If you're stealing from the government under the guise of "free Range", all you need to do is fess up, pay your dues, and it's all good. It seems like the powers to be are looking for a confrontation. This is not about a Turtle as so many would have you believe. If my neighbor had his cows on my land, signed a contract to pay me for grazing rights, then failed to live up to the contract, I'd sue for specific performance. That's what we're dealing with here folks.
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