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After shooting some, annoying the guys at local shops, etc. I still haven't decided. Thought I had it between Bowtech and Elite, but now I think I like Mathews... particularly the ZXT model. I am open to any one of the big 4 brands out there. Unfortunately, I can't shoot every brand side by side as most shops that carry several don't carry all etc... I don't even know what I like at this point.. I need some advice on what y'all like or dislike about certain bows. I do know that Im not interested in PSE, Bear, Strothers etc... I don't want a Mission, Diamond or any of the low end brands. So Im down between the big 4. HELP PLEASE!


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The big 4???

I consider 3 top tier companies...Hoyt, Mathews, and PSE...with Bowtech being an outside 4th.

What do you have against PSE and Strothers? Both are great bows. You couldnt give me a free Bear or Diamond so I feel ya there.

If you are considering Mathews...then bite the bullet. You wont regret it.


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I avoid Dick's and hope they fold.
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I'm there with you sir. The guy who said he wanted my bow just requested my address to mail a check so I need to move soon on it. I'm going to try all the ones I haven't shot in years then go check out the Creed because I'm afraid I will try it and never sampling the waters. Hoyt probably won't get a try though as their bows are ugly and from what I've experienced, loud. The other higher end bows deserve a look though.


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Hoyt probably won't get a try though as their bows are ugly and from what I've experienced, loud.


Im glad that I am not the only one who thinks this...


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I avoid Dick's and hope they fold.
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Nothing against PSE, just the ones I have shot, I don't like them. They didn't fit me as well as I would like. I really like almost everything about an Elite. But same with the others I mentioned... I am having a hard time deciding what makes one better than the other, etc. speed, sound, blah blah. Watching tons of videos hoping I hear or see something I didnt when I shot.. Just gets aggravating. I pulled the trigger without shooting anything else when I bought my Mathews Drenalin. Loved that bow, but I didn't know any better. Bought a Mathews cause it was a Mathews...


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I used to love Mathews but since I started shooting dual/binary cams bows I just can't go back to the single (solo) cam bow. The only bow in Mathews lineup I would even try is the Chill, and it is their only non solocam bow. I like the increase in performance in the dual cam bows and just can't go back to the soft wall of a single cam.

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I used to love Mathews but since I started shooting dual/binary cams bows I just can't go back to the single (solo) cam bow. The only bow in Mathews lineup I would even try is the Chill, and it is their only non solocam bow. I like the increase in performance in the dual cam bows and just can't go back to the soft wall of a single cam.


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I shot bows and hunted before solo cam technology existed. I'm on the other end. In looking at the line ups of Elite, PSE, Hoyt and others I'm seeing nothing but binary cam bows. Is Mathews the only manufacturer left selling the single cam technology? The soft wall is not just associated with the solo cam but cam timing issues are not associated with single cam technology and that is what I like. Personally I've been solocam for 13 years and am a little unsure about going back the other direction.


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Like you I have been shooting a long time (since 89), with just wheels and no real backwall to speak of. Moved to Solocam bows and loved them, but they still were soft on the back. I will never forget the first time I drew a bowtech and hit that backwall like a rock, I was instantly hooked.

Jump forward to now and yes as far as I know Mathews is the only company that still makes single cam bows. I think everyone else realized you can only take one cam so far. I think this even shows with Mathews line up of bows for the last 4 years. They have not done anything with the solocam line, new or exciting, change one little spec or shave off some weight and call it extreme or something. I am still waiting and hoping for Mathews to do something exciting and new, but for the last few years it is just kind of vanilla if you really look at the bows they are doing now versus 4 or 5 years ago, they are awfully similar. Mathews is an awesome company and spends a lot of money on Christian charities and Missions (Hence the name of there low cost line, which nearly all profits go to Christian Missions). I really want and expect more from them, but until they step up again I will look elsewhere.

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Bear,parker and diamond

Think pse even still has one


My first bow was a Pearson


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My first new bow was a Pearson Spoiler, Back in 91 or 92, can't remember. I do remember my buddies were envious. Before that I shot a bunch of used hand me downs. I actually wish I still had it along with my Mathews Q2XL and some others.

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My quest torrent is a single cam bow. I'm sure there are others in the quest/prime lines that are as well.

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My first new bow was a Pearson Spoiler, Back in 91 or 92, can't remember. I do remember my buddies were envious. Before that I shot a bunch of used hand me downs. I actually wish I still had it along with my Mathews Q2XL and some others.


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ok well I shot several bows today... First off, I don't like the Elite, overall it wasn't the bow for me... I shot a Mathews Chill R and really like it, shot a Hoyt Faktor and loved that one too.. Hoyt was a touch louder than the Mathews, but the grip felt so much better. I originally was going to stay with a mid priced bow, but now I think theres no way around getting a premium bow for me. I could definitely tell the difference from a bow like the ZXT.. I still need to shoot the Bowtech higher end bows.. but does anyone have an opinion on the ones I talked about? Problems, issues etc?


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Which grip did the Mathews have on it? The walnut or the focus?


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focus... felt cheap and very blocky to me


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One universal complaint about Mathews bows is always the grip. They are still good bows, you either love the grip, hate it, or learn to live with it. Frankly I like the grip one my Bowtech better than my Elite even though I can see much difference between them. I have always liked how Hoyts felt in my hand but have never owned one.

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I have a hoyt crx and have shot Matthews, bear, and bowtech, the hoyt felt the best in my hand by far, which is why I picked it.

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Oh one more thing, I am assuming you are shooting off the shelf bows. Just because unequipped the bow is loud is not a good indication it will always be. Once you add a stabilizer and suppressors like BowJax accessories it will really take the loud out of them. I really don't pay much attention to how loud a bow is, because I have seen from experience you can get them all about decently quiet with the right accessories.

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Oh one more thing, I am assuming you are shooting off the shelf bows. Just because unequipped the bow is loud is not a good indication it will always be. Once you add a stabilizer and suppressors like BowJax accessories it will really take the loud out of them. I really don't pay much attention to how loud a bow is, because I have seen from experience you can get them all about decently quiet with the right accessories.


Chuck, I disagree with you here. I will not buy a bow that is loud off the shelf. I have to invest my hard earned money into a bow and I certainly dont want to buy stuff that I dont need. Noise cancelling accessories are not considered needs for my bow. Yes I do have a stabilizer on my bow. My bow came with a few dampeners on it so that is all that I have on mine and my bow is super quiet.


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I avoid Dick's and hope they fold.
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Yeah I agree with the fact that you shouldn't have to add more sound dampers. I mean honestly nowadays I don't think the higher end bows that I'm looking at are "that loud" shot a zxt and that was loud comparatively. I'm thinking I want the hoyt. But not 100 percent yet.


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focus... felt cheap and very blocky to me

I agree. Have one on my not soon to be mine anymore Z7E and would have preferred the walnut like on my LX.


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I will be choosing a bow based on noise, vibration, smoothness and shock on shooting. Speed and weight are secondary considerations.


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Oh one more thing, I am assuming you are shooting off the shelf bows. Just because unequipped the bow is loud is not a good indication it will always be. Once you add a stabilizer and suppressors like BowJax accessories it will really take the loud out of them. I really don't pay much attention to how loud a bow is, because I have seen from experience you can get them all about decently quiet with the right accessories.


Chuck, I disagree with you here. I will not buy a bow that is loud off the shelf. I have to invest my hard earned money into a bow and I certainly dont want to buy stuff that I dont need. Noise cancelling accessories are not considered needs for my bow. Yes I do have a stabilizer on my bow. My bow came with a few dampeners on it so that is all that I have on mine and my bow is super quiet.
If you already have a stabilizer and dampeners, then how can you disagree, those are the items I am talking about. Maybe some monkey tails or something similar on the string, but those are all you should need.

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If you do a lot of walking you wont like the Matthews... Bowtech is nice depending on which one your looking at... I see Elite as putting both of those bow together... they are really nice... oh don't shoot a new pse cuz youll want one of those too

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Oh one more thing, I am assuming you are shooting off the shelf bows. Just because unequipped the bow is loud is not a good indication it will always be. Once you add a stabilizer and suppressors like BowJax accessories it will really take the loud out of them. I really don't pay much attention to how loud a bow is, because I have seen from experience you can get them all about decently quiet with the right accessories.


Chuck, I disagree with you here. I will not buy a bow that is loud off the shelf. I have to invest my hard earned money into a bow and I certainly dont want to buy stuff that I dont need. Noise cancelling accessories are not considered needs for my bow. Yes I do have a stabilizer on my bow. My bow came with a few dampeners on it so that is all that I have on mine and my bow is super quiet.
If you already have a stabilizer and dampeners, then how can you disagree, those are the items I am talking about. Maybe some monkey tails or something similar on the string, but those are all you should need.


My bow came with dampeners from the factory.

I see your side however I refuse to buy something that I am going to need to make a lot of mods to just to get it in "hunting shape". My friends do this all the time. I just give em hell about it!

My bow is fast, deadly and SILENT...Straight from the factory.


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I like the hoyt and a bowtech guardian. bows are very personal to the shooter. I will change anything that I feel makes me like the bow more. I view it the same as scopes and triggers on a rifle.


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Mathews comes with the "harmonic dampeners" incorporated in them as well as sting stops and monkey tails. Seems like most of the Hoyt bows have a short brace height as well.


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I just went through the same problem I wanted to upgrade my bow an older Ross to a real name brand bow like Mathews, Hoyt or Elite but the problem I had was every bow I shot was better than my Ross and these little differences that would separate them such as this one is smother to pull back and so on were harder for me to tell, I finally went with Mathews b/c the warranty is supposed to be one of the best out there and every shop I went to carried Mathews so I figured if I was ever outside of my city and had a problem most shops know how to work on them

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Mathews has a great warranty, but I think Elite goes one better. If you are ever hunting in the field and your elite breaks down or fails, you call them and they will overnight you a new one so you can continue your hunt. When your done you just return it and get your original bow fixed. From Their website:

"Elite Hunt Guarantee

Elite Archery believes that our customers are top priority and we want our customers to be 100% confident in their bows. Elite Archery is comprised of dedicated and passionate bow hunters – for this reason we offer a unique guarantee for our hunting customers.

It happens. You are on the hunt of a lifetime and you accidentally touch your broadhead to your string. You are taking your one-week of vacation to hunt with your friends and your buddy dry-fires your bow. If there isn’t a bow shop within driving distance, your hunt is over – but not if you’re shooting an Elite bow. No matter where you are or what happened to your bow, Elite will send a bow to you at no charge the very next day so that you can finish your hunt. This bow is on loan from Elite Archery and not intended to replace your damaged bow. The loaner bow will arrive with the customers requested draw weight and length, with a rest, sight and peep installed. The bow will be tuned and ready to shoot. It will only need to be sighted in with the customer’s arrows.

If something happens to your bow while on your hunt, please call us at 877-503-5483 and ask for the warranty department. The bows must be returned to us in the condition that they were shipped with all accessories. The loaner bow must be sent using a shipping company that provides package tracking. Our goal is to make sure you can finish your hunt, no matter where you are, no matter what happened."

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Mathews has a great warranty, but I think Elite goes one better. If you are ever hunting in the field and your elite breaks down or fails, you call them and they will overnight you a new one so you can continue your hunt. When your done you just return it and get your original bow fixed. From Their website:

"Elite Hunt Guarantee

Elite Archery believes that our customers are top priority and we want our customers to be 100% confident in their bows. Elite Archery is comprised of dedicated and passionate bow hunters – for this reason we offer a unique guarantee for our hunting customers.

It happens. You are on the hunt of a lifetime and you accidentally touch your broadhead to your string. You are taking your one-week of vacation to hunt with your friends and your buddy dry-fires your bow. If there isn’t a bow shop within driving distance, your hunt is over – but not if you’re shooting an Elite bow. No matter where you are or what happened to your bow, Elite will send a bow to you at no charge the very next day so that you can finish your hunt. This bow is on loan from Elite Archery and not intended to replace your damaged bow. The loaner bow will arrive with the customers requested draw weight and length, with a rest, sight and peep installed. The bow will be tuned and ready to shoot. It will only need to be sighted in with the customer’s arrows.

If something happens to your bow while on your hunt, please call us at 877-503-5483 and ask for the warranty department. The bows must be returned to us in the condition that they were shipped with all accessories. The loaner bow must be sent using a shipping company that provides package tracking. Our goal is to make sure you can finish your hunt, no matter where you are, no matter what happened."


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I bought my first serious bow at All Star Archery in Lewisville and I shot quite a few, before narrowing it down to 4. But then I was stuck on all these different thinks, much of which I had heard from others or read in marketing stuff.

The guy there, who was very knowledgeable and patient said, there isn't a bow in that group that wasn't top rate and wouldn't make a helluva bow. He suggested I shoot each bow a couple of times with my eyes closed. Said forget all that marketing mumbo jumbo and any brand bias see which one feels the best.

I closed my eyes and he handed me each bow and aimed me in the right decision. It was easy to immediately eliminate 2 of them. Then another round of shots and it was easy to pick out the right one for me. That would be my advice.

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Well I've got nine on my list to shoot. I'm going to take a day or two off next week to shoot as many of them as possible. As far as I'm concerned the outfitting of the bow will be as difficult and important as the bow itself. I will go with a QAD rest but I'm unsure which sight I will go with. I may go back with an Axcel sight.


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yeah thats a good idea about shooting them with your eyes closed. I could see how that would really help make the decision about feel and sound as opposed to "Im holding a mathews" I know that I have shot a ton of em up to this point. Including cheap ones at Cabelas. I still need to shoot the Bowtech next to the Hoyt. The 2 shops around here either carry mat hew, hoyt, elite at one.. or hoyt elite and bowtech at another... lol at the one that had the mathews at it i had it down between the hoyt factor and mathews chill r... both felt great but i remember thinking about the hoyt that i could shoot it all day.. felt comfortable.. so ill take that with me back to the place with the bowtechs and do the same there. hopefully at the end of the week i can and will have made a decision.. i know any bow can kill a deer and i know that most any new bow won't be loud enough or have enough vibration to really make a difference to the average shooter.. at this point for me it is about feel while shooting and how it draws/holds/etc... only reason i am being so cautious is because i bought that drenalin and had buyers remorse shortly after that... realizing that the switchback woulda been a better choice, or alphamax, just want to leave no stone unturned. i don't want to buy a 1400.00 bow, so that 900.00 range is what I'm looking at. like i said, hopefully i make a decision soon.


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I don't have a dealer near me that carries Obsession bows, but I emailed the company and they are sending one set to my specs to my bow shop and will let me shoot it. If I don't like it, all I have to do is send it back. But, I am not set yet. I am also shooting some new bows in the next couple of weeks and will decide between Mathews, Hoyt and Obsession. Going to be fun, but I am going to deck it out with new accessories. Going to be a pretty penny, but you only live once.

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Originally Posted By: ttechcolleyville
I bought my first serious bow at All Star Archery in Lewisville and I shot quite a few, before narrowing it down to 4. But then I was stuck on all these different thinks, much of which I had heard from others or read in marketing stuff.

The guy there, who was very knowledgeable and patient said, there isn't a bow in that group that wasn't top rate and wouldn't make a helluva bow. He suggested I shoot each bow a couple of times with my eyes closed. Said forget all that marketing mumbo jumbo and any brand bias see which one feels the best.

I closed my eyes and he handed me each bow and aimed me in the right decision. It was easy to immediately eliminate 2 of them. Then another round of shots and it was easy to pick out the right one for me. That would be my advice.


Doing the same thing. Just getting started with bow hunting and followed a friend's suggestion and dropped by All Star Archery. They are right off one of my regular routes, so can't beat that. Super friendly and very helpful. I really appreciate their level of experience and that they took the time to listen to my concerns and needs. That doesn't happen at the bling box stores. First part of hunt is over, I found my Pro Shop!


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well i have one more shooting session I'm going to try tomorrow.... if i go with a mathews it'll be a chill r. if i go with hoyt it'll be a faktor or faktor turbo, i haven't decided which bowtech it would be either carbon knight or experience... so at least I have it narrowed down that far


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Going to be a pretty penny, but you only live once.

This is true but if you spend more than what you are willing to respend every two or three years you end up hanging on to a bow so long that it's hard to sell as an old model when you really want to upgrade. I could by a Carbon Spyder but if I spend two grand on a bow/set up I'm going to have a hard time talking myself into doing it again in 3 years. Spend half that and I don't feel so guilty.


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finally decided and got the hoyt faktor... super nice bow and it fits me so well.. i really like it.. spent about an hour shooting different bows and this one stood out.. decked it out totally and i don't have a bit of buyers remorse.. it worked out perfectly. thanks for all of the advice along the way guys.


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cheers congrats on getting your bow! Now we need pics and what all you decided to hang off of it.




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ill get pics up in the next couple days. all black of course, but i put a fuse 5 pin sight with the light for the pins, hoyt 6 arrow quiver, hoyt carbon blade stabilizer, qad hoyt rest, g5 peep, using a scott release, i opted for easton 330gr hexx arrows and 100 gr field points.. haven't decided what broad heads i want yet.


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Nice, blackout bows are my favorite. I'm gonna be shooting easton hexx at the next shoot around here...if I get my bow by then. I like QAD exodus broad heads, I'm still waiting for my first kill with them so I can only attest to their sharpness and that they fly like field points. So I assume you got the faktor 30?




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i did get the faktor 30. he didn't have any of the turbos in stock, said he sold the last one yesterday. I really think that 30 will be just fine. hell of a lot faster than the last bow i shot which was a mathews drenalin. what got me though was how comfortable it was to shoot. i really enjoyed it and it wasn't hard at all.. i tried the carbon knight and overdrive as well as elite 32. they all had pros and cons. it really took me forever to narrow it down between 3 bows. then 2, and then just the one. i kinda already knew it was gonna be the factor though. overall it just fit me better.


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heres the pic of it.. took a quick one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/113233562@N02/12847450515/


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Bear is my 1st choice and was my 1st bow, My Dad Swears Hoyt best in business, and just got bow of the year, breaking records in womens indoor, wife and daughters shoot the mission "yes By Mathews" and darton, I still believe PSE is Pull Shoot & Explode and always sounds loudest to me...its all matter of opinion and comfort

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