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My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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...In a galaxy far far away...Source of original info: http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/1389347303cnt7z6u31cq Manufactuer website page: http://www.atncorp.com/x-sight-night-vision-rifle-scope-3-12x Photos of the scope from SHOT show 2014, not my photos: Initial Specs are as follows: Generation --- Smart HD Optics - Digital CMOS technology Magnification 2 models - A 3x with up to 12x digital zoom or a 5x with up to 18x digital zoom Lens size --- 67 mm Built-in IR detachable Sensor --- HD 1080p ATN L130 Sensor Display --- 800 x 600 pixels Diopter adjustment ±5 Close-up range focus --- 5 m Dimensions 10.3 x 3.5 x 3.2” / 262 x 88 x 82 mm Weight 2.7 lb/ 1.22 kg Warranty - 2 years So to summarize: A fixed magnification optic with digital zoom features that can see in the dark, record video, and take advantage of IR light (invisible to naked eye) for under $ 700.00. Word from SHOT is the sensor is HD 1080p. Compatible with 4 to 32Gb SD card and uses 4 AA batteries. Post any info you guys find on this until we actually start to see them in the supply chain. No word on when they will be released.... Things that I'd like to verify that the retail scope will offer is: What is the video out resolution? ATN states 1080p at 30 FPS and 720p at 60 FPSDo the crosshairs (reticle) record on the video output file? Do the crosshairs shift to the POA (zeroed x/y axis) in digital zoom mode? Does the scope record sound? Is the CMOS camera sensitive enough to render an image without IR in low light situations at a decent frame rate? Recoil rating? Especially with the Industry's first onboard SD card slot... Can an optical doubler be fitted to the front lens and still provide a clear image in digital zoom modes? Are the wireless / GPS features going to make it into the retail version? ATN's website shows wifi is for updating the scope not video output recording... Thx, BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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Tried to order one that dealer showed instock, but never got a call back to confirm they did have them. Price out the door was 529.00 with shipping in the cart. MSRP is 600.00.
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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Tried to order one that dealer showed instock, but never got a call back to confirm they did have them. Price out the door was 529.00 with shipping in the cart. MSRP is 600.00. Was that 529.00 OTD for the 3x or 5x model? Also, what do you make of the "Generation" or camera name, have you ever heard of such a thing as HD optics... I am not aware of aa standalone HD CCTV camera that is 1080p for less than 500 bucks. Then again I am not a DIY guy so maybe there is such an animal for 2-300 bucks but daggum 529 for a weapon optic.... Am I dreaming??? Thanks, BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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What is the difference between this unit and the Photon 3.5X....
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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BB 3-12x unit Difference between HD cameras and Video cameras is the digital output. Almost all DVR's with built in cameras have the digital output type cameras that's why no video input. Several on you tube in car dvr setups with night mode so seeing what they are possible of is a simple youtube search. So technology is there, its up to ATN to have put it together to do the task properly. 12x zoom with possibly no loss in resolution due to the 1920x1080 camera will be impressive if all works like the specs state. But until some of us get hands on no telling, remember its ATN (They take GEN 1 to a new level just look at the photos on the box ) Need to see some thru the device photos and video output. As of now I have no clue if its all BS, but outside looks nice
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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What is the difference between this unit and the Photon 3.5X.... I see that you asked the same question in each thread so here is the one response that'll paste into the other.... The Photon and X-sight, on the surface, appear to be totally different designs. Photon is a mechical engineered scope body slapped behind a digital front attachment (camera) whereas the ATN is reported to be full digital meaning digital crosshairs and no "mechanical" windage and elevation adjustments. The ATN's specs are twice that of the Photon BUT the Photon exists and is available at this time while the X-sight is yet to be produced and field tested by a broad user base. Other than these two points, until an X-sight is in hand and run through the paces I can't give you anymore technical differences. Like a wise man once said, "It is up to ATN to make it work right". BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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More photos from a friend who attended the SHOT show. BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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Hopefully not too good to be true...very interesting. As an L-3 employee I get a discount and HOPEFULLY a bump higher up the waiting list :-). Will be calling ATN Monday! Saw an estimate of March-April rollout but not holding my breath.
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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Jigo23 - You can't come in here and flaunt your discount in front of us and not share So how about setting us up with a GROUP BUY with your discount When you talk to ATN on Monday ask if they intend to design the wifi to be an avenue for recording video to a smart device. Thanks and remember Group Buy BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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As I understand it at this point, the wi-fi is not meant to go to a smart device. It is meant to connect and download later. I do not believe anything in this area has been set in stone. It is a works in progress.
The idea of wi-fi to a smart device is romantic, but there are some practicality issues as concerns hunting applications.
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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LOL! Sorry BB that was pretty cold-hearted :-) You brought up some good questions I was wondering about too and I will ask them for sure! Good idea about the group buy, will definitely ask about that too. My big question is what calibers it can handle. Thinking it won't like my new Sig 716 much. I swear, started researching NV options for hog/varmint hunting a month ago and am more befuddled than when I started lol.
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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the X Sight will be available around Feb/March shipping to dealers
they have a range limit of around 75-100 yds it is light, color images day, black and white night should be an affordable option for most hog hunters, night owls
I was at SHOT, held it , looked through and liked them
PM me if you're interested in reserving some
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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the X Sight will be available around Feb/March shipping to dealers
they have a range limit of around 75-100 yds it is light, color images day, black and white night should be an affordable option for most hog hunters, night owls
I was at SHOT, held it , looked through and liked them
PM me if you're interested in reserving some I didn't think ATN had a working X-sight at SHOT... Why do you say the range will be limited to 100 yards? The 5-18x seems like a good spec for 200+ yard work. Confused - but that isn't surprising as this thread is meant to share information to lessen confusion. Thx, BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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That was info from ATN rep
Past 75-100 it won't be as clear
They had one mounted on an AR , that was out of battery
There was another one that I looked through
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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With the lens pictured and 1920x1080 camera specs that does not add up. The IR light source may be good to 75-100yds at night. With enough added IR light what you see during the day is possible at night except color . So if you could see 1/2 mile during the day clear then it's possible at night with enough IR light. Hopefully one will be availible to field test from ATN.
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That was info from ATN rep
Past 75-100 it won't be as clear I will piss myself, in public , if ATN puts out a product that doesn't see clearly past 100 yards. I believe there is a design called a focus ring that assists with this function. That statement coming from ATN makes zero sense. Lets hope the person was very busy therefore very wrong. BB
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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The IR light source may be good to 75-100yds at night.
IR is the reason for limited range at night
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IR is the reason for limited range at night Huh?
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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Pass I would take a wait and see approach to this product. Sometimes if it seems to good to be true.....
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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they have a range limit of around 75-100 yds
The X-Sight most definitely will not be limited to 75-100 yards with an IR. Maybe they were talking about without an IR. I was able to spend some time and look through the unit and play with the menu. The 1080p res is impressive and unlike other digital scopes the digital zoom does not pixelate the image up to about 6X digital. That should mean virtually NO pixilation up to 18x on the 5X unit. So, you probably won't need a doubler lens. You will however need a stout IR. It has a color mode for daytime, and a choice of black and white or green scale for night use. It also has wifi, gps, google maps integration for geo tagging, and an iphone/android app. Like BB said there is an on boards SD slot and a micro and mini USB port. The USB port is supposed to be able to let you upgrade your software. The reticle adjusts POI for digital zoom and there will be multiple reticle/ballistic settings. If all of these features come to fruition, the scope will be a homerun. It's my understanding that everything is functional and they are fine tuning the system. ETA is mid March, but if the demand is anywhere close to what I think it will be you might end up waiting much longer without a pre-order.
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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Howdy guys, I'm new to the forum, but definitely read it quite a bit. I couldn't contain myself given how great this scope seems, so I took the plunge and pre-ordered the 5-18 version. For the price it'd have to be a pretty big failure for me to be real disappointed, but we shall see. I've gone so far as to email ATN hoping for vids or pics from the scope. I'm not sure why something so simple, that I'm SURE would be around by now due to testing, would be so hard to produce or post. Either way, I assure you all I will gladly record and post with it the day after I receive the scope. While I'm sure by then there will be tons of info/pics/vids out there, I've always preferred to get what I can from someone that's not the same person that's trying to sell it to me.
I was informed when I placed my order that the current release date is the first week in April. He said it could still change forward or back (I've never pre-ordered a scope before so I don't know what to expect here). I will post updates as I come across them though, as most of you guys seem as interested as I am to see what this scope is truly capable of out of the box.
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Howdy guys, I'm new to the forum, but definitely read it quite a bit. I couldn't contain myself given how great this scope seems, so I took the plunge and pre-ordered the 5-18 version. For the price it'd have to be a pretty big failure for me to be real disappointed, but we shall see. I've gone so far as to email ATN hoping for vids or pics from the scope. I'm not sure why something so simple, that I'm SURE would be around by now due to testing, would be so hard to produce or post. Either way, I assure you all I will gladly record and post with it the day after I receive the scope. While I'm sure by then there will be tons of info/pics/vids out there, I've always preferred to get what I can from someone that's not the same person that's trying to sell it to me.
I was informed when I placed my order that the current release date is the first week in April. He said it could still change forward or back (I've never pre-ordered a scope before so I don't know what to expect here). I will post updates as I come across them though, as most of you guys seem as interested as I am to see what this scope is truly capable of out of the box. Where are you from (state/county) and what have you been using for night hunting before now? HTXH
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Have a nice day. I find some information about this scope, but i can't find info about lenght of wave that this scope can see. Can it see invisible light (more that 900nm of lenght) or not?
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Have a nice day. I find some information about this scope, but i can't find info about lenght of wave that this scope can see. Can it see invisible light (more that 900nm of lenght) or not? I'm sure you will be able to use a 940 with it, but these sensors work better with an 850. Yes, the 940 is much more stealthy, but it also reduces the distance you can see. For the most part, animals are fine with the 850...
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Re: My next acquisition to the hog slaying arsenal - ATN X-sight Digital NV scope
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I think 915nm will be optimal for this scope. I use 850nm with my 1PN58 scope, but it is visible and i'm not satisfied with it because hogs can see backlight.
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