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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 12:11 AM
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Guys I went with a Remington AAC SD 20" .308 with a brand new Bell and Carlson stock
Thought it might not be a bad idea in the chance I want to go the suppressor route in the future.
Still plan on adding trigger, bolt knob, and of course glass. Some of the prices for good long distance glass scares me.
Does anyone have experience with the quick set rings that automatically go back to 0? For instance if I knew I was going to be hunting the woods with 50-60 yards max as the shot, and if I didnt see anything I go in the backpack and switch to a long range scope in a few seconds? (sorry if quick set if wrong term, dont know what they are called)
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 01:28 AM
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They're called QD, Quick Detach, mounts. Personally, I don't own any, but I plan to get some for my AR. Here is where I will be shopping. http://www.laruetactical.com/riflescope-mounts?sort=popularGet the right scope, with 3X to 5X minimum magnification, and you don't have to worry about taking it off the rifle. My 5-20 SS works great, well inside 50 yards. Adjust the parralax for range and you're good to go.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 02:28 AM
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To get out and shooting in a timely manner "and in budget" I would vote for a Rem 5r stainless mounted with a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50, load up a few boxes of 175gr SMK's and your off and running!
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 03:02 AM
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200 Why in the world would you need both?
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 03:09 AM
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200 That's the same zero. I'm zeroed at 100, on all of my rifles. My elevation correction for 50 yards is +.3 Mil, for 200 yards it's +.4 Mil. 50 yards and 200 yards is the same zero...just about. If you were zeroed at 50 and you held level at 200, your bullet would impact .72" low at 200.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 02:04 PM
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200 Why in the world would you need both? Didn't word that correctly. I meant what if you wanted to switch from something like this for hunting the brush 1-4 x 40to something like this for hunting pipelines and large pastures http://nightforceoptics.com/pdf/NightforceVelocity1000Data.pdf
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 02:15 PM
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200 That's the same zero. I'm zeroed at 100, on all of my rifles. My elevation correction for 50 yards is +.3 Mil, for 200 yards it's +.4 Mil. 50 yards and 200 yards is the same zero...just about. If you were zeroed at 50 and you held level at 200, your bullet would impact .72" low at 200. I am by far an avid shooter but i dont get this When i shoot my say 3006 at 100 and am 1'' high i am right dean on at 200 , so if i shoot at 50 would i be still an inch high or low ? I need to get into shooting more and long range and all that stuff .
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 02:16 PM
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Mils are easier to understand, and faster to dial for than MOA. You can memorize a wind hold formula for Mil, MOA is more difficult. With a 50mm objective and 3x to 5x minimum magnification you'll be able to find an animal plenty fast, and will only need ONE scope. Seems like I mentioned that before...
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 02:20 PM
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Just using that as an example in reference to how dependable the quick detach system is
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 04:10 PM
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The Rem AAC rifle should shoot decent. Experiment with some various ammo, and see what it likes.
On the scope, since you plan to hunt with it, a good 3-12 or 4-16 is fine. I don't know why people think you need 100x magnification to shoot long range. I can easily drill a target at 500 yards with my AR-15 shooting a Burris 1-4 power tactical scope. Sure, more magnification helps you see a little better at longer ranges, but it's not practical. 12 to 14 or 16 power is plenty for a hunting/target rig.
The Viper scopes are decent. The glass is not that great, but the internals are very strong, and they have very good turrets. The Bushnell tactical scopes are very good. I have shot a few, and I liked them a lot. The new Bushnell scopes are not the same as the old crappy Bushnell scopes of years past. I'm not a fan of the Zeiss models. I've had issues with paralax with them at longer range, and they are in 1/4", or IPHY (inch per 100 yard) adjustments. It's not the same as MOA, but similar, and more challenging to get dialed in. I'm a huge fan of Nightforce. If you can find a 3-15x50, they can be found used for about $1100 to $1200.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 04:15 PM
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200 That's the same zero. I'm zeroed at 100, on all of my rifles. My elevation correction for 50 yards is +.3 Mil, for 200 yards it's +.4 Mil. 50 yards and 200 yards is the same zero...just about. If you were zeroed at 50 and you held level at 200, your bullet would impact .72" low at 200. I am by far an avid shooter but i dont get this When i shoot my say 3006 at 100 and am 1'' high i am right dean on at 200 , so if i shoot at 50 would i be still an inch high or low ? I need to get into shooting more and long range and all that stuff . At 50 yards, the bullet will still be traveling up, so you will be lower at 50 that you will be at 100. Eventually the bullet begins to drop, which is why you are lower at 200 than you are at 100.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 04:27 PM
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Back to the point about QD's, I don't own any either but they are definitely in the category of "you get what you paid for" items.
The one's that I've seen and witness work well switching between rifles are Bobro and LaRue. But these a filthy expensive and they were for nothing larger than a 308. I've heard the Burris version is pretty good.
My personal opinion is that QD's are overrated and unnecessary. A good set of rings can easily tolerate multiple mountings if done right with a torque. And unless I plan on conducting covert operations with my lone Trijicon, I can spare the extra 10 mins to switch scopes.
I'm a dude who likes long barrels!
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 04:49 PM
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I have used Leupold QD rings with great success on guns that have BUIS.
Cast I have a short attention spa
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 05:24 PM
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Lets say I have 2k to spend. But I want it on a 700 SPS tactical 20" platform. What needs to be done next, include optics in this.
Go................ Horizon Firearns has a custom made 7mm for sale in classifeds for 1800
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/15/13 09:04 PM
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Mils are easier to understand, and faster to dial for than MOA. You can memorize a wind hold formula for Mil, MOA is more difficult. With a 50mm objective and 3x to 5x minimum magnification you'll be able to find an animal plenty fast, and will only need ONE scope. Seems like I mentioned that before... mils are easier for some, harder for others to understand, and they are not faster to dial than moa. wind formula for mils is easier for me to understand. the prob w/ moa is that scope manufactures dont necesseraly make moa the same same throughout different scopes. so moa from leupold may be different than moa from vortex etc etc. moa may even be different from your reticle to your dials. to me that is the death blow to moa. mils throughout manufactures are all the same...a mil is a mil is a mil. i shoot w peeps that have mil mil scopes, moa moa scopes and mil moa scopes all the time and these guys hit the target and we shoot beyond 1k yds. practice with what you have and you will get good at it. i happen to understand both and that makes me more of well rounded shooter. the peeps i shoot with mostly talk in mils, but occasionally, we get the oddball w a moa scope, and since i speak moa also, i find myself translating for him into mils when we are shooting as a team. (he happens to be a local pd swat guy). im a fan of .308, its a more versitale round than the 6.5cm or 243 or 260. it does just as good of damage, is way more common of a round, and if you know what you are doing is just as accurate and effective as any of the others. if you have extra coin to spend and want to compete by all means, the above specialty rounds are very effective, and have superior ballistics to .308, but when the [censored] goes down, the only speciality ammo/equipment you are gonna find when your out scavanging, is slim to none.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/16/13 02:07 AM
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Wonder how accurate they really are if you go from a scope with a 50 yard zero and switch to one with a 200 That's the same zero. I'm zeroed at 100, on all of my rifles. My elevation correction for 50 yards is +.3 Mil, for 200 yards it's +.4 Mil. 50 yards and 200 yards is the same zero...just about. If you were zeroed at 50 and you held level at 200, your bullet would impact .72" low at 200. I am by far an avid shooter but i dont get this When i shoot my say 3006 at 100 and am 1'' high i am right dean on at 200 , so if i shoot at 50 would i be still an inch high or low ? I need to get into shooting more and long range and all that stuff . At 50 yards you would impact almost top dead center. It is due to sight offset. My offset is 2.1" (center of the bore to center of the scope tube), yours probably isn't, so your point of impact may be different.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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Give me a new shooter and I'll have them banging steel at a quarter mile on day one, with Mils. I did it with my wife, and she hadn't shot a rifle very much at all. It's just easier to keep the corrections in your head. Hand me a high end MOA scope and I can use it all day, but I'd rather have my Mil/ Mil back on duty.
Unless you're a guy that shoots every day, the 308 can cause you fits. Wind calling is wind calling, and you'd better have large targets or figure out how to call wind very fast. 7mm-08 provides better barrel life than a six five or a six mm, but still provides a good BC to cut through the wind.
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11/16/13 02:53 PM
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Buy a Remington 5R in 308 or 300 Win Mag (bigger is better), install a Jewell trigger and a Leupold 3.5X10 scope. You will have money left to buy several different brands of ammo to see what it likes best.
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Re: To the rifle experts
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11/16/13 11:10 PM
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Lets say I have 2k to spend. But I want it on a 700 SPS tactical 20" platform. What needs to be done next, include optics in this.
Go................ Why would you drop $2k on a 700? If I had $2k, I'd buy a Mauser M12
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Re: To the rifle experts
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In the 20 inch, bolt action, with two grand, I'd go Savage 10FP-C 5r; Trijicon Accu point 2.5-10x, Leupold rings and bases, and 600 dollars worth of ammo to practice with, and you will be better than buying a 1900 rig and 100 worth of ammo....
My opinion on calibers, pick one good one, and stick with it....308 for me
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