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01/11/13 03:30 PM
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is everybody putting so much into IBO and speed bows. I mean, I understand why some people are doing it, thinking the biggest and baddest might be the best, but be honest, bowhunting is a "game to be played at close range" and some people are thinking if they have a fast bow, they can reach out and touch something. With that said, I'm not bashing on you, because if you want a fast bow or a bow that pulls higher than 70 pounds, knock yourself out, but for me, its all about trying to get as close as possible to take the shot.
I'm sure if you google or research all the good bowhunters, that make a living at hunting, you will find they don't, or aren't that worried about IBO speeds. And I know some will want to bash some of these guys as well, but think about it, they probably shoot more animals in a year or two than some have shot with their bow in a lifetime.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 03:38 PM
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Interesting poll I think that many people get into the speed increases of their bow as a hobby. Basically, just trying to find the greatest and latest new thing. I have a buddy that loves to "tweak" his bow and tries out different arrows, rest, etc to try to get a few more FPS. He shoots daily, has a complete bow shop in one of his rooms and wouldn't shoot at a deer over 30 yards. He doesn't do it so he can reach out, he does it because he enjoys it.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 04:39 PM
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As technology goes forward so does speed, Personally, and I dont want to get into a peeing match but speed in my opinion is a good thing, I get the get close deal but if I can be 10 yards and shoot 300 fps, that is better than 10 yards and 200 fps. It gives a little margin for error at those off yardages. A fast bow allows you a wide range of arrow weights it can deliver effectively. I dont see a real down side short of an increased plane effect on broadheads at high speed, if your tuned your tuned so that should not be a driving concern. As companies push speed limits up it also allows a shooter who doesnt want to max out a bow at 70 to shoot at 60 etc and still have good speed. Somebody tell me the down side??? I think some guys who have been doing it for years get a little miffed that someone can buy a quality bow setup properly and with a little instruction and practice shoot very, very good with todays equipment, like they have missed out by not taping matches to a recurve. Time marches on. What I find funny is in archery some want to cling to the old, when I go to the golf course all the old guys are swinging the latest and greatest and love it, I have never had someone say I miss that old wood driver with the head the size of a silver dollar. The gun guys have tried to push the limits for ever. bullets, powder, optics. For some reason somebody always wants to gripe about this stuff in archery. I think it is a good thing the the Archery Companies bring new products, invest in RD, if they didnt I suspect they would go out of biz. By the way, go question the gun guys why they need a certain calliber and they will go nuts.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 04:42 PM
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its just not that hard to hit the 275 mark with even the low end bows today
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 06:29 PM
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Killemall, I kind of understand some of it as I was once young and thought I had to have the biggest baddest bow ever made. And that cost me a Mountain Lion back in 1992 while mule deer hunting in Fort Stockton area. I a 80 pound Darton because I wanted more power in a bow. While setup over a water hole a Lion came in right at dark for a drink. I had a heck of a time trying to keep my composure and trying to pull that monster of a bow. I finally got it drawn but could not connect because I about busted a gut.
Dead is dead. Personally I would rather hunt with recurve or long bow for more of a challenge but just can't seem to find one that I really like and shot well. And then to put in all the practice that is required. But I've killed several with a recurve in past years and it was great.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 07:20 PM
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The efficiency of the arrow itself is more important than the speed I think. Meaning are you getting the most out of the bow? Just cause you crank it up and are shooting lazer beams doesn't mean this is a good hunting set up. I'm not a speed guy, I've only chronoed my old Matthews one time and that was ten years ago and it shot a 500 grain arrow 240 fps and it will shoot through deer and most hogs and the arrow burries up in the dirt on the far side. I can't think of a time I have missed a critter cause bow was slow, deer can jump the string faster than any bow can shoot. My brothers crossbow shoots 370 and at thirty yards deer jump the string. Use a rangefinder or get real good at judging distance, pay attention to body language of the critter your shooting and it'll all work out.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 07:54 PM
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When I started bowhunting, 250 was a smokin fast bow. My bow had 20% letoff, and I could only hold so much, so I shot a 45lb bow and killed a whole bunch of critters with it. I don't think it ever chrono'd over 200. My current bow has an IBO of 335 or there about. I shoot 400 grain arrows at about 290, which is really dang fast, and packs a pretty good wallup.
I enjoy bowhunting more than anything anymore, but I do keep a rifle handy when at the Lease, and I'll grab it and go running after varmints or pigs anytime!
“I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately...”
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 08:05 PM
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Kewl deal, I am 41 and have nothing to prove, I buy a fast bow because I can, I like it, and you have yet to make an valid argument against today's bows that are fast, pretty forgiving, and quiet. You can stick your comment about something to prove.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 08:17 PM
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Kewl deal, I am 41 and have nothing to prove, I buy a fast bow because I can, I like it, and you have yet to make an valid argument against today's bows that are fast, pretty forgiving, and quiet. You can stick your comment about something to prove. Interesting. No need to get nasty, or is there? I just don't want NEW hunters to fall under the assumption that they need to find the fastest bow out there and not learn the basics of bowhunting. I've seen way to much of that in my 53 years, and from working at a pro shop on and off over the years to feed my addiction. Since the early 90's, I've probably spent WAY to much money, always trying to upgrade to the fastest and best bow, but after spending probably somewhere in the neighborhood of over $30,000 dollars on stuff of this nature, I soon learned that I wasn't really gaining anything because I would never achieve IBO or gain much more speed than what I would ever get. For an EXPERIENCED person such as yourself, then by all means, you should get as much as you can for speed, but let's not lead a newbie down the wrong path. Good day to you....
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 08:20 PM
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Well I guess I shoot a slow bow cause I can. I don't worry about newest and fastest I haven't been in a bow shop in five years but I have been in the taxidermy shop three times a year for the last five years. Just saying.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 09:10 PM
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Newbies if I am reading this right I guess you should ignore technology, find a slow bow and live with it, even though if you read this thread you will not find a reason given. None, nada, because none exists. There are reasons listed above that they won't dispute as benefits, you see them listing any benefits to slow, they all are going cost if you buy quality new.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 09:33 PM
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Not trying to get on the side of any one but I think what Kewl is trying to say is that instead of going 80#'s with a 1000.00 bow and you are new to the game that going with 70#'s with a 400.00 bow will suit you best. will be shooting the same draw length and if you stick with the 5# rule your over all FPS will be close. PSE Stinger will get you 294FPS @ 70# 28"DL and the new Bear Motive 6 will put you at 313 going with 80# 28"DL. Is the 19 FPS really worth $700.00? I dont think so IMHO. You will only gain 6.33 yards.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 09:50 PM
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Newbies if I am reading this right I guess you should ignore technology, find a slow bow and live with it, even though if you read this thread you will not find a reason given. None, nada, because none exists. There are reasons listed above that they won't dispute as benefits, you see them listing any benefits to slow, they all are going cost if you buy quality new. Easy with the newbie there hero, I've been around long enough to know what I like and what the critters I shoot don't. Speed bow can kill too nobody's saying they can't but its not needed, .458 Win will kill a white tail but its not needed. I could shoot speed bows if I wanted but I could steer a car with my feet too that don't make it a good idea.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 10:39 PM
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This is a story about Joe and Mo. Joe likes blondes and Mo likes redheads. Joe likes the more sophisticated woman while Mo likes them a little on the wild side. Joe wants a woman though that will drink whiskey while Mo likes his women to drink fine wine. Basically what I'm saying, everybody has different tastes, but as long as the end results are the same, why getting into a PePe match about it
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 10:42 PM
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Cmc, I am referencing another post above regarding leading "newbies" down the wrong path.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 10:57 PM
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Stories of Joe and mo don't equal facts, what is the down side, I assume you don't know one, nobody should over spend, I am not saying that. You don't have to now. You also don't have to sacrifice forgiveness or quiet. Bows are just better now.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 11:07 PM
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Is speed every thing? No...but a 4" trajectory difference between 30yards and 40 vs 8" between 30 and 40... Can be especially helpful... The differnece can be not coming home with a big 320-330 elk because you missed ranged. Two inches can be a brisket shot or a heart shot.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 11:11 PM
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Stories of Joe and mo don't equal facts, what is the down side, I assume you don't know one, nobody should over spend, I am not saying that. You don't have to now. You also don't have to sacrifice forgiveness or quiet. Bows are just better now. By the way, been meaning to ask what you shoot? Here is my set-up: Mathews z7 eXtreme Tactical, with all tactical accessories Tru-Glo Rover QAD 28" DL Pulling about 63 pounds 125 Magnus traditional head (the older ones) Usually shoot the Carbon Express Aramid KV 350's with 5" feathers, but also have some Pile Drivers that I got SUPER CHEAP that I fling at pigs, squirrels or anything else for that matter, also with 5" feathers. I do have some Aramids and Blue Streaks that are fletched with Blazers. As for Joe and Mo, don't see how their not equal facts, basically both like women but have different taste in their women.
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 11:24 PM
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Cool thread
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 11:27 PM
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Cmc, I am referencing another post above regarding leading "newbies" down the wrong path. Sorry
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Re: Why
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01/11/13 11:42 PM
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With a 26.5" draw and two repaired shoulders I'm never going to get an advertized IBO out of any bow. The quietness, smoothness, vibration and shock freedom and quality of a bow however lead me to believe that the higher end bows have more to offer than just a little extra speed. Not saying less expensive bows don't kill as well but I drank Black Label when I was young because it was inexpensive. It didn't get me any less drunk than what the beer I drink now would but my current beer is much better tasting for the extra cost.
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Re: Why
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01/12/13 02:19 AM
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Stories of Joe and mo don't equal facts, what is the down side, I assume you don't know one, nobody should over spend, I am not saying that. You don't have to now. You also don't have to sacrifice forgiveness or quiet. Bows are just better now. By the way, been meaning to ask what you shoot? Here is my set-up: Mathews z7 eXtreme Tactical, with all tactical accessories Tru-Glo Rover QAD 28" DL Pulling about 63 pounds 125 Magnus traditional head (the older ones) Usually shoot the Carbon Express Aramid KV 350's with 5" feathers, but also have some Pile Drivers that I got SUPER CHEAP that I fling at pigs, squirrels or anything else for that matter, also with 5" feathers. I do have some Aramids and Blue Streaks that are fletched with Blazers. As for Joe and Mo, don't see how their not equal facts, basically both like women but have different taste in their women. pse xforce axe 6 nap quick tune tru glo extreme tool less 29 draw 62 lbs GT xt hunter for the most part rage 100 grain 2 blade and good old school muzzy 100 3 blades
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Re: Why
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01/12/13 02:47 AM
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on the question where it was asked about the speed of your bow, you left out the box that says "don't care"
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Re: Why
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01/12/13 03:23 AM
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on the question where it was asked about the speed of your bow, you left out the box that says "don't care" LOL. I know, but it was too late without going back and doing it all over again
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Re: Why
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01/12/13 04:48 AM
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Interesting poll I think that many people get into the speed increases of their bow as a hobby. Basically, just trying to find the greatest and latest new thing. I have a buddy that loves to "tweak" his bow and tries out different arrows, rest, etc to try to get a few more FPS. He shoots daily, has a complete bow shop in one of his rooms and wouldn't shoot at a deer over 30 yards. He doesn't do it so he can reach out, he does it because he enjoys it. I found out today my comfort range is between 15 and 25 yards I shoot targets to 50(well I might add) but I wouldn't try that shot on a deer
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