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Re: Got millet? [Re: Charlito] #2528391 08/24/11 01:56 AM
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You boys are in the worng on this one... Straight from TPWD ...

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A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:

•over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops;
•at any time over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation


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By the way this reads, all your holes you planted this year will be considered illegal....

From TPWD website...

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A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:

•over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops;
•at any time over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation;•on or over a normal soil stabilization practice;
•on or over lands or areas where seeds or grains have been scattered solely as a result of a normal agricultural practice except waterfowl and cranes may not be hunted where grain or other feed has been distributed or scattered as the result of:
◦pre-harvest manipulation of an agricultural crop; or
◦livestock feeding;
•over crops or natural vegetation where grain has been inadvertently scattered as a result of entering or leaving a hunting area, placing decoys or retrieving downed birds;
•using natural vegetation or crops to conceal a blind, provided that if crops are used to conceal a blind, no grain or other feed is exposed, deposited, distributed or scattered in the process.

A hunter may not:

•hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area;
•hunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removed;
hunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted not less than one year prior to hunting;•hunt waterfowl or cranes over crops that have been manipulated, unless the manipulation is a normal agricultural post-harvesting manipulation in accordance with official recommendations of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agricultur


Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: GravyWheels] #2528432 08/24/11 02:05 AM
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I planted mine last August. confused2





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Re: Got millet? [Re: GravyWheels] #2528438 08/24/11 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: GravyWheels
You boys are in the worng on this one... Straight from TPWD ...

Baiting
A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:

•over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops;
•at any time over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation


Wow, I had forgotten about food plots being a no no for waterfowl. In the past i have never had private land so i didnt need to worry about it ... the feds address it too.

"Wildlife Food Plots:
You cannot legally hunt waterfowl over freshly planted wildlife food plots where grain or seed has been distributed, scattered, or exposed because these plots are not normal agricultural plantings or normal soil stabilization practices. Wildlife food plots may be considered a normal agricultural practice, but they do not meet the definition of a normal agricultural planting, harvest, post-harvest manipulation, or a normal soil stabilization practice."



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Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: GravyWheels] #2528446 08/24/11 02:09 AM
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Manipulated is the key word. If you plant it then leave it alone you are legal. Shred it, stomp it, kick it around and you are in trouble.

Millet is overated in my opinion anyway. Too expensive and too risky as far as growth success.


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Hmmmn, this is going to be an interesting discussion.....!



Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: GravyWheels] #2528450 08/24/11 02:10 AM
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Please read your own post. I portent word is manipulated! As long as you do not do anything like shred or plow or other methods of Manipulate the plants you are legal.

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Originally Posted By: GravyWheels
By the way this reads, all your holes you planted this year will be considered illegal....

From TPWD website...

Baiting
A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:

•over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops;
•at any time over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation;•on or over a normal soil stabilization practice;
•on or over lands or areas where seeds or grains have been scattered solely as a result of a normal agricultural practice except waterfowl and cranes may not be hunted where grain or other feed has been distributed or scattered as the result of:
◦pre-harvest manipulation of an agricultural crop; or
◦livestock feeding;
•over crops or natural vegetation where grain has been inadvertently scattered as a result of entering or leaving a hunting area, placing decoys or retrieving downed birds;
•using natural vegetation or crops to conceal a blind, provided that if crops are used to conceal a blind, no grain or other feed is exposed, deposited, distributed or scattered in the process.

A hunter may not:

•hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area;
•hunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removed;
hunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted not less than one year prior to hunting;•hunt waterfowl or cranes over crops that have been manipulated, unless the manipulation is a normal agricultural post-harvesting manipulation in accordance with official recommendations of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agricultur




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Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: GravyWheels] #2528459 08/24/11 02:11 AM
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Oh here we go again.. happy3

Manipulated! Don't manipulate (i.e, shred it, trample it, etc..) and you can hunt over it. If it comes up the next season, you can cut it down and hunt over it.

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hunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted not less than one year prior to hunting;



Re: Got millet? [Re: Reid D] #2528472 08/24/11 02:14 AM
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You guys need to get your stuff together before you call someone out on their own thread. Manipulated is the key word! You can plant as much as you want, but you cannot manipulate it unless it has come back on it's own the following year.


Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: Guy] #2528477 08/24/11 02:14 AM
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DU spends a lot of time and effort on millet and drainable flats


Re: Got millet? [Re: duckiller] #2528502 08/24/11 02:19 AM
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I was not trying to call anyone out. And i now see that the texas regulation is a sub-part of the manipulation section. The fed regulation is specifically targeted at food plots though. I really am not trying to make waves or anything like that, just interested in what is and isnt legal.



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Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)] #2528503 08/24/11 02:19 AM
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Correction
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DU spends a lot of WASTED time and effort on millet and drainable flats IN THE SOUTH











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Re: Millet Planters.... [Re: Guy] #2528513 08/24/11 02:21 AM
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Does anyone have a legal definition for what they consider "Manipulation"?
This is pretty typical of most hunting laws they are written with a lot of leeway as to what some of the terms mean. Its frustrating to me to try and figure out what is legal and what isn't.


Re: Got millet? [Re: Reid D] #2528526 08/24/11 02:26 AM
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I guess it is really down to how someone chooses to intemperate "freshly".



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Re: Got millet? [Re: Reid D] #2528528 08/24/11 02:27 AM
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The state of Oklahoma is in big trouble then cause they plant millet by the ton on many public hunting lakes. Along with several other state wildlife agencies. trout

The manipulated talk is in the federal regs as well.


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Originally Posted By: duckiller
The state of Oklahoma is in big trouble then cause they plant millet by the ton on many public hunting lakes. Along with several other state wildlife agencies.

Exactly...


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The state of Oklahoma is in big trouble then cause they plant millet by the ton on many public hunting lakes. Along with several other state wildlife agencies.

Exactly...


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I am not going to argue with you here, like I said, just looking for what is definitively legal. The fed reg I posted is the complete section with no inclusion of the word "manipulated", the only wiggle room I see is in the use of the word "freshly"



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Originally Posted By: Reid D
I guess it is really down to how someone chooses to intemperate "freshly".

When you scatter millet seed to plant, you hunt over that is baiting if there is seed on the ground. The seed needs to be gone for 10 days before you can hunt over it.


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Originally Posted By: Guy
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I guess it is really down to how someone chooses to intemperate "freshly".

When you scatter millet seed to plant, you hunt over that is baiting if there is seed on the ground. The seed needs to be gone for 10 days before you can hunt over it.


Correct from what i have heard but I'm calling in the am to get verification



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I'm calling the GW in the am to get verification, I don't have a fog in this fight but am very curious.



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The "manipulation" only pretains to natural vegetation. As it states, millet is not considered natural vegetation and therefore, see paragraph two...

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My bad guys, I do appreciate yall clearing it up for me.



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Originally Posted By: Reid D
I am not going to argue with you here, like I said, just looking for what is definitively legal. The fed reg I posted is the complete section with no inclusion of the word "manipulated", the only wiggle room I see is in the use of the word "freshly"


You obviously did not read the last sentence of the reg you posted because it does talk about not "manipulating or disturbing"


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Originally Posted By: duckiller
Originally Posted By: Reid D
I am not going to argue with you here, like I said, just looking for what is definitively legal. The fed reg I posted is the complete section with no inclusion of the word "manipulated", the only wiggle room I see is in the use of the word "freshly"


You obviously did not read the last sentence of the reg you posted because it does talk about not "manipulating or disturbing"


It does but the sentence is talking about what Food Plots are not considered.



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