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 Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: Chuck McDonald]
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04/28/11 12:05 PM
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.280 but I like off calibers, why be another .308 fanboy. ding, ding, ding, ding!
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: sactoller]
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04/28/11 06:00 PM
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.280 but I like off calibers, why be another .308 fanboy. ding, ding, ding, ding! 
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: tth_40]
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04/28/11 08:45 PM
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308.
If you leave home and need some ammo while hunting in the middle of nowhere, 308 can be found at most any place that sells ammo at all, 280 definitely is not so widely available.
A 308 will do everything a 280 will. For a 7mm, 7WSM or 7RM will outperform the 280. 280 is a great answer to a non-existent need.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: jeffbird]
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04/28/11 09:24 PM
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A 308 will do everything a 280 will. For a 7mm, 7WSM or 7RM will outperform the 280. 280 is a great answer to a non-existent need. hmmm...applying that same logic, the 30/06, 300WSM, 300H&H, 300Win Mag, 300SAUM, 300 Weatherby, etc. will outperform the 308. So the 308 must be a great answer to a non-existent need.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: JJH]
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04/28/11 10:26 PM
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A lot of rounds, and goods of all kinds, invented fill no need other marketing new things covered by an enforceable patent and thus the ability to command better profit margins on proprietary products or the perceived need for the "newest" thing.
fwiw - the 308 did improve over the 30-06 which it replaced, by offering the same performance with better accuracy and less weight per round.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: jeffbird]
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04/28/11 10:32 PM
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The 7.62 NATO round was adopted by the military because it provided NEARLY 30/06 ballistics in a shorter case supposedly more suited to automatic and semi automatic weapons.
It was shortly thereafter offered by Winchester as a commercial round (named the 308 Win) in their M70, which ironically had the same action length as the 30/06 M70. So it in truth, it offered nothing, except a marketing ploy to sell a round adopted by the US military.
Now the 308 is a fine, accurate, useful cartridge. I make no argument about that. But your logic regarding the 280 is clearly flawed.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: JJH]
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04/28/11 10:51 PM
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Really? Is it "clearly flawed" that 308 is more widely available in most small town stores than 280?
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: jeffbird]
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04/28/11 10:56 PM
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JJH
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This is what is clearly flawed:
"For a 7mm, 7WSM or 7RM will outperform the 280. 280 is a great answer to a non-existent need."
Unless, of course, you agree that the 30/06, 300Mag, etc. outperform the 308, so the 308 is an answer to a non-existant problem.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: JJH]
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04/28/11 11:00 PM
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There was more to the answer and that was just an add on comment, sorry to upset you so, my apologies. The basis for my answer was before that, which is quoted again. Any thoughts about the availability of ammo as a factor? 308.
If you leave home and need some ammo while hunting in the middle of nowhere, 308 can be found at most any place that sells ammo at all, 280 definitely is not so widely available.
A 308 will do everything a 280 will. For a 7mm, 7WSM or 7RM will outperform the 280. 280 is a great answer to a non-existent need.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: jeffbird]
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04/29/11 12:06 AM
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I don't disagree that 308 ammo may be more available. It is of no personal consequence to me. As a reloader I haven't used factory ammo in decades. But I realize it is important to some, and for them could be a valid reason to pick one cartridge over another.
As you may have noticed, I only took issue with your last statement, which IMO is illogical.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: JJH]
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04/29/11 12:40 AM
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so the gun i have in 284 is the same as what and as worthless as what 
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: prohunter2011]
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04/29/11 01:06 AM
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There is more .308 available because of aggressive marketing and EVERYONE that makes rifles chambering for them. Part of the 280's problem was Remington's marketing strategy. When it was intro'd it had heavy competition from the 270 Win. and the 7mm Rem. Mag. (timing). Then they initially offered the 280 in an auto loader and 760 pump, so the original offering was probably a bit downloaded for those kind of actions. When they finally realized that it was a better round out of a bolt action, it was offered in the 721 and 700 actions and renamed the 7mm-06 in 1979. Then they changed the name AGAIN a few months after that to 7mm Remington Express to avoid confusion with the 7mm-06 wildcat that has a different headspace dimension. It really had not much to do with performance, more to do with Remington screwing up the timing of introduction and marketing.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: tth_40]
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05/01/11 07:57 PM
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I have both and have no complaints about either. I like the 280 because it's a little different and the 308 for just the oposite, it's been around a long time (plus my grandpa and dad gave me their first 308's). The argument about ammo availability in a small town always gets me. It's true that most places will carry 308 ammo before 280 but if you're on a hunting trip and need more ammo, you're either a bad shot or unprepared. My rifle and ammo is the first thing I pack before going out. All that being said, with ballistics and performance likely the most important, I have never been in a situation to push either the 280 or 308 to its max but have read articles and have seen documentaries on the capabilities of the 308/7.62 NATO cartridge on 200+ pound live targets at 1000+ yards. The 280 may be capable of the same thing, just haven't seen anything about it.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: Nontypical3006]
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05/01/11 09:14 PM
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I have both and have no complaints about either. I like the 280 because it's a little different and the 308 for just the oposite, it's been around a long time (plus my grandpa and dad gave me their first 308's). The argument about ammo availability in a small town always gets me. It's true that most places will carry 308 ammo before 280 but if you're on a hunting trip and need more ammo, you're either a bad shot or unprepared. My rifle and ammo is the first thing I pack before going out. All that being said, with ballistics and performance likely the most important, I have never been in a situation to push either the 280 or 308 to its max but have read articles and have seen documentaries on the capabilities of the 308/7.62 NATO cartridge on 200+ pound live targets at 1000+ yards. The 280 may be capable of the same thing, just haven't seen anything about it. Believe it or not, some people have forgotten their ammo before.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)]
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05/02/11 01:00 AM
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probably a lot more people forgot their ammo, but won't admit it.
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Re: 280 vs 308
[Re: hoss77]
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05/02/11 03:06 AM
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Something to consider… I love the .280 and have more than one. It is hard to beat the dynamics of the 7mm bullet. It has good weight, and very good penetration thanks to its sectional density and ballistic coefficient. However, the 308 case is more efficient. A good marriage is the 7mm-08. It is a short action, fast handling rifle and you can usually get the same velocity for a specific bullet weight with about a 10% lighter powder charge (less recoil). I have one of those too and love it…. Take a look at a Sierra Reloading Manual and see what you think....
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