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#1539822 - 07/19/10 09:28 AM hollow points or soft points?
jrye Offline
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Registered: 12/26/06
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Loc: Dalhart, Texas
I was wondering if I should use 55gr hollow points or 55g soft points for my .223 on deer.
I shoot a CZ 527 American with a 1 in 12 barrel.



Edited by jrye (07/19/10 09:31 AM)

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#1539837 - 07/19/10 09:39 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: jrye]
RICK O'SHAY Offline
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I'd use soft point.

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#1539842 - 07/19/10 09:42 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: jrye]
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I wouldn't use either, personally.

Winchester , I believe, offers a 64 gr 223 factory round that was designed for deer hunting. If you handload, I would suggest the Barnes X or Nosler Partition. 2cents


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#1539892 - 07/19/10 10:10 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: REDGUN]
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I load the 55gr sp for my boys 11-7 years old, all though my oldets has moved up to the 223WSSM w/(60 gr partition). Many hogs & deer end up in the freezer with this bullet.

We could start up the whole shot placement/ small caliber debate... I've killed more deer than I can count with 22 Hornet. ( head shots) but that's me..

Keep in mind with a chest shot there will be little to no blood trail.. My boys shot everything in the head or neck..

Just my 2cents..

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#1540004 - 07/19/10 10:47 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: longone]
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Soft Points get my vote

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#1541494 - 07/19/10 09:20 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: 30378]
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If you think you have to shoot a varmint gun at deer then Nosler 60 gr partition at least.I am a big fan of minimum caliber limits in Texas.Not to start stirring the pot but if Jr. can't handle .243 recoil maybe he should wait another year,and sometime that is still too small a bullet! Not saying a Hornet or AR(223) won't kill deer but I could kill a moose with framing hammer if I'm close enough just not quick and humane as I would desire.

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#1541768 - 07/19/10 10:29 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: RLoving1]
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#1541933 - 07/19/10 11:40 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: Driller]
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Use a bullet designed for deer, not varmints. Yes a varmint bullet will kill a deer under the right conditions. But why not use a bullet designed to do the job when conditions aren't perfect (since we don't always have control over the conditions).


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#1542019 - 07/20/10 01:14 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: JJH]
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federal loads barnes tsx bullets now. midway usa has them in stock.


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#1542237 - 07/20/10 08:36 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: yukons95]
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Registered: 09/15/09
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Loc: Canton, TX.
I would use the S.P., but why not let your child try a 243, my 8 y.o. shoots one with no problem and he never notices the recoil especially when shoot at a game animal, To me is all about not being afraid of the gun with the more IMPORTANT aspects being placed on SAFETY and SHOT PLACEMENT.


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#1542297 - 07/20/10 09:02 AM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: Elkman]
longone Offline
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Roger on the .243, I have one also, It's just I've never seen a deer take a step missing his rocker joint or a cup low on grey matter. I've done cull hunts on hill country rances for more than a decade. When you shoot 30-40 deer a weekend you don't want to track anything.

My oldest shoots competive shotgun sports w/ 12ga. O/U, so recoil is not the issue. He likes the gun, it's "fast" and he shoots it well. I've seen my 11 y.o. drop a pig in the ear hole @ 165 yards.

I beleive in shoot placement.. but I understand other people don't.

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#1549901 - 07/23/10 02:37 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: longone]
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Originally Posted By: Klongone
Roger on the .243, I have one also, It's just I've never seen a deer take a step missing his rocker joint or a cup low on grey matter. I've done cull hunts on hill country rances for more than a decade. When you shoot 30-40 deer a weekend you don't want to track anything.

My oldest shoots competive shotgun sports w/ 12ga. O/U, so recoil is not the issue. He likes the gun, it's "fast" and he shoots it well. I've seen my 11 y.o. drop a pig in the ear hole @ 165 yards.

I beleive in shoot placement.. but I understand other people don't.


That's sig worthy! And, good points.

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#1550074 - 07/23/10 04:25 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: jrye]
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Unless I understand incorrectly, a HP bullet pushed at the speed a .223 will reach will explode if it hits any solid object (like bone). Does not penetrate much or leave a wound channel worth a hoot. As others have mentioned, the 55gr is more suited for varmints and smaller animals (prairie dogs, squirrels, rabbits, etc).

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#1550517 - 07/23/10 09:07 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: nuprofessor]
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In my opinon the .22 has no place in deer hunting. There I said it! Yes I belive in shot placement, yes I can place the shot myself, no I won't use my .22-250 on small Central Texas deer. The .243 is the smallest one to use.

But to your original question. Spire Point is the way to go. Better retained weight, better penetrating abiltity, better ballistic coefficent (more slipery through the air). I loaded HPs and SPs for prarie dogs that I shot last month. I found out that I won't buy another box of HPs again because the SPs shot more accurately and the two cost exactly the same per box of bullets.

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#1551474 - 07/24/10 03:20 PM Re: hollow points or soft points? [Re: FiremanJG]
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0.224 HP bullets are not all designed for "varmints"..the Sierra 55gr BTHP is in their Gameking lineup, right next to 55gr SP.

Barnes TSX's are a HP, but sure can't confuse them with a varmint bullet. Outstanding weight retention and penetration...just a shock at the sticker price. Always hoping the load recipe does not require much testing!

HP's absolutely dominate the target applications, so a well made HP is an accuracy plus.

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