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Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL #1469549 06/08/10 09:32 PM
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I found a CHL instructor in Denton (www.familygunfun.com/) that offers a CHL class but its for a Utah CHL. Has anyone taking this class and do you advise doing it this way. The class time is 4 hours and no gun qualification. Input is greatly appricated.


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Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: NikonDealer] #1469798 06/09/10 12:25 AM
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I have an acquaintance in the DFW area who has taken the Utah class, but something about that just doesn't seem quite right to me.

I took the Texas class as soon as it was "legalized" in 1995 and have taken 4 renewals since then, and I believe if you are getting a permit to CARRY a gun that you should actually have to prove that you can SHOOT a gun. Maybe it is just me though.... confused2


Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: retrieverman] #1469921 06/09/10 01:20 AM
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its easy to shoot a gun, just pull the trigger. all my buddies that went and got a chl said the shooting test is a joke. I dont understand the point of having a shooting test if the results really dont matter. I have heard good things about the Utah CHL


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Originally Posted By: TCUHUnter
its easy to shoot a gun, just pull the trigger. all my buddies that went and got a chl said the shooting test is a joke. I dont understand the point of having a shooting test if the results really dont matter. I have heard good things about the Utah CHL


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Have you taken the CHL course personally???

As I said, I have had the CHL class and 4 renewals, and in every single qualification, there were people who had never fire a handgun before. The instructor literally had to show them how to hold their guns.

Having people take a class that gives them legal right to carry a handgun and never have to prove any kind of shooting proficiency scares me to death.

For "gun guys and gals", it may seem like no big deal, but there are people getting licenses that have never owned a gun or shot before, and in my humble opinion, the current shooting proficiency is not nearly enough.




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Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: retrieverman] #1470298 06/09/10 05:35 AM
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Agreed, there needs to be a shooting proficiency requirement. Both my wife and I have our CHL and I can not drag her out to the shooting range for practice. The only time she gets any practice time is when we go for a renewal of our licenses. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.



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Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: Henryseale] #1470333 06/09/10 10:04 AM
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NikonDealer,
If you have a Hunter Safety Cert or have been in the military, you might want to look into the Florida license. It is what I carry under.


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NikonDealer,
If you have a Hunter Safety Cert or have been in the military, you might want to look into the Florida license. It is what I carry under.


I am completely baffled here. Why are so many people trying to "skirt the law" and get out of state CHL licenses??? What am I missing???


Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: retrieverman] #1470424 06/09/10 12:55 PM
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I thought the Texas class was fine. I really enjoyed the classroom work. Learning about the laws of using deadly force. Thats a must... The shooting wasn't all that hard and when I renewed I did see some ladies that had to rent a gun to shoot. The instructor sold some of them a ladies only shooting class to take with him to become more proficient.. But he did pass them right there with very limited shooting skills.


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I believe the benefit of out of state licenses is that you get more "reciprocal" states that way, meaning you can carry in more states. For some reason, I think the Utah CHL is the most universally accepted across the US, therefore a lot of people from a lot of states get a license there.

Also, the shooting test in Texas is a joke. I'm not sure that it's even better than nothing. In everyone of my classes, there has been someone that has had no clue how to shoot, and I guarantee you, a day after passing that test, they had no idea how to shoot. For the test, you should be required to safely load, charge, and fire your gun accurately. I've seen instructors load magazines for people before and give them a quick 5 minute lesson on how the gun works. If you don't know how it works, you should fail, plain and simple. But that is not how it is.



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I am getting ready to do my class, and considered the Utah option. After a lot of research, and looking at the states that I travel through the most, I found that the biggest disadvantage to the Utah license is that it is considered a "non resident" Utah license. More and more states are refusing to reciprocate, non-resident licenses.

Honestly that is the only negative I found, my gut just tells me that carrying a Texas License vs. a Utah, will lead to far less headaches down the road, since I live, work, and Hunt in Texas. Not to mention, I personally would not feel right carrying a concealed handgun, if I wasn't very familiar with my local "use of deadly force" laws. Just my opinion.


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retrieverman, Not for sure if getting the Utah CHL is skirting the law! I have been told by several CHL instructers that you may be waiting up to 8 weeks to receive your CHL from Texas. The process seems to be slow and overpriced. Just my 2 cents!




Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: NikonDealer] #1470990 06/09/10 05:40 PM
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Hey if you dont like the way texas does things then move to utah or florida....... jmo.... hell i dont want a pansy liesense from one of those states anyways.....


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I'd rather not explain it to a grand jury.

Why don't you have a Texas CHL?
a. wanted to pay less $
b. was impatient
c. didn't want to take proficiency test
d. thought _____'s CHL was good enough



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Good points Texas CHL it is!




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Originally Posted By: beech96w
I'd rather not explain it to a grand jury.

Why don't you have a Texas CHL?
a. wanted to pay less $
b. was impatient
c. didn't want to take proficiency test
d. thought _____'s CHL was good enough



LOL, so who is up for race to get a CHL from all the states with out of state CHL's? That way your bases are about as covered as they can get. "Your honor I have a <insert Johnny Cash's "I've been I carry everywhere"> CHL and my life was in imminent danger."

Seriously, we live here so why not do what Texas does currently and fight for change if the current rules and process are not good enough. Every politician needs an earful - full of what is up to you.

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Re: Utah CHL vs. Texas CHL [Re: beech96w] #1471436 06/09/10 09:04 PM
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Did you know that in Texas the Prosecutor and Judge is exempt from taking the class/shooting proficiency and only pays a $25 license fee for their CHL. Or that anyone that carrys in their vehicle can do so for FREE without taking a class.


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My son is stationed at TwentyNine Palms Marine Base in California. They (California) do not have CCW. He wanted to get one, so he went to Nevada and took their course. First of all he made sure it would apply when he comes back to Missouri this fall. He said it was a 12 hour course (8am to 9PM). Eventhough he was military, he said they did not cut him any slack.
I agree with retrieverman, there needs to be a qualification test. I saw several people in my class that had never held a handgun in their life. A few had borrowed a handgun from friends and had never shot it before. The instructor actually had to show how to load them.
Here in Missouri we have to qualify with BOTH a semiauto AND a revolver. There are no caliber restrictions (I used a 9mm semiauto and a .22 revolver), but the instructors highly encouraged that you bring the one intend for use as your carry handgun.



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I guess Im gonna go out on a limb here but before i do i do have my chl (Tx) and it took me from Feb-Sep to get it. But my statement is if u can legally get a Utah or Florida license get it, along with ur Texas, if u live in Texas. It does not matter where u get one as long as u are legally able to obtain one. I am of the mindset that everyone that is legal to own one should do it, in this day and age it is your OBLGATION to yourself and your family to have one. To me it doesnt matter what state u have. And if YOU ARE LEGAL IN USING DEADLY FORCE, it doesnt matter whose state you have as long as the state that shooting occured in recognizes the others chl. In other words a non-resident Utah license in Texas isnt going to matter as long as the shooting was justified to begin with. That is why Texas recognizes Utahs. I am in the process of getting both my Utah and Florida and have even researched Mississippi's. Bottom line it just plain dont matter if the shooting was legal, whose state u had.
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Originally Posted By: retrieverman
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its easy to shoot a gun, just pull the trigger. all my buddies that went and got a chl said the shooting test is a joke. I dont understand the point of having a shooting test if the results really dont matter. I have heard good things about the Utah CHL


TCUhunter

Have you taken the CHL course personally???

As I said, I have had the CHL class and 4 renewals, and in every single qualification, there were people who had never fire a handgun before. The instructor literally had to show them how to hold their guns.

Having people take a class that gives them legal right to carry a handgun and never have to prove any kind of shooting proficiency scares me to death.

For "gun guys and gals", it may seem like no big deal, but there are people getting licenses that have never owned a gun or shot before, and in my humble opinion, the current shooting proficiency is not nearly enough.



I agree when my son took his CHL a guy was kicked off the range because he did not know how to shoot a gun, load it or hold it. He actually shot the floor about a foot in front of his own foot. I am not in favor of the Utah CHL unless I lived in Utah. Why not just do what Texas your home State ask.



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I have several of my employees that took the class. Some also have a Texas CHL and some do not. The Utah permit does not have a residency requirement. Their main reason for getting the Utah permit was travel. We are going to Washington State this summer for a year and Washington recognizes the Utah permit but not the Texas permit.


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Originally Posted By: jds15151
I have several of my employees that took the class. Some also have a Texas CHL and some do not. The Utah permit does not have a residency requirement. Their main reason for getting the Utah permit was travel. We are going to Washington State this summer for a year and Washington recognizes the Utah permit but not the Texas permit.


OK, now this is the first LEGITIMATE reason I have seen for getting a Utah permit.

Thanks for posting!


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Originally Posted By: NikonDealer
I found a CHL instructor in Denton (www.familygunfun.com/) that offers a CHL class but its for a Utah CHL. Has anyone taking this class and do you advise doing it this way. The class time is 4 hours and no gun qualification. Input is greatly appricated.


I'd just find an instructer that does the Texas CHL and be done. I'm not sure that Texas recognizes a Texas Resident with a Utah License since the laws states that Texas recognizes non residents with Utah License.


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Originally Posted By: Armadillo Tacos
Originally Posted By: NikonDealer
I found a CHL instructor in Denton (www.familygunfun.com/) that offers a CHL class but its for a Utah CHL. Has anyone taking this class and do you advise doing it this way. The class time is 4 hours and no gun qualification. Input is greatly appricated.


I'd just find an instructer that does the Texas CHL and be done. I'm not sure that Texas recognizes a Texas Resident with a Utah License since the laws states that Texas recognizes non residents with Utah License.


this is what im wondering



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Originally Posted By: NikonDealer
I found a CHL instructor in Denton (www.familygunfun.com/) that offers a CHL class but its for a Utah CHL. Has anyone taking this class and do you advise doing it this way. The class time is 4 hours and no gun qualification. Input is greatly appricated.


I'd just find an instructer that does the Texas CHL and be done. I'm not sure that Texas recognizes a Texas Resident with a Utah License since the laws states that Texas recognizes non residents with Utah License.


this is what im wondering


I wouldn't worry. I am sure that Utah and Florida licenses are "recognized", but it just seems to me like there are a lot of people just wanting to get something for nothing by getting those licenses.

Basically, for four hours and $165.25, ANYONE can have a CHL, and that doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.


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Most people that are getting out of State CCW permits are not doing it because its easyer, cheaper, takes less waiting, there doing it because there is more recipricity from that states CCW than Texas.

The shooting qual is a joke, anybody could pass it, in fact half of the people in my class had never shot a gun before that day.

Mine really hacked me off, because I took the class in the 3rd week of December, April I recieved the wrong CHL it was some guy in Houston. I finaley got mine in the last week of May that is completly retarded.




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