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#1052075 - 11/20/09 04:33 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: Central Texas Hog Traps]
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Registered: 12/16/08
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Loc: Wolfe City, TX
I've got a female Blue Heeler. She wouldn't appreciate me caging her up though. I bet a female dog would work, I've heard of Coyotes coming in to investigate a female dog before. I don't know if they were wanting to fight or breed though.

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#1052575 - 11/20/09 07:39 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: Brandon A]
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Registered: 11/09/04
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#1052639 - 11/20/09 08:19 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: timbertoes]
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The donkeys do work, we moved one out there years ago and he was more trouble than he was worth at the time. Might be time to rethink that.

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#1052641 - 11/20/09 08:19 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: Brandon A]
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#1057742 - 11/23/09 01:08 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Registered: 02/13/09
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My uncle has M44 out on his ranch. I don't know how he got them or where but he does have big $$ and connections. I can attest to how well those work, he has a fence that the ranch hand hangs all of the dead coyotes on that he finds next to the traps and there are always at least 15 of them hanging up and often a new one every other day. They are kinda scary, but everyone he has out on the ranch is clearly marked by multiple warning signs on trees and fence posts near them. If you can get them then you really should try them cause they work.


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#1059549 - 11/23/09 10:47 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: BaylorChase]
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Registered: 12/05/06
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Loc: Saginaw, Tx
We have a coyote problem too and it will take more than shooting the occasional one from the deer stand to thin them.

I've considered going to one of the predator hunting forums and finding someone who would help us out. You say it's not an option for you but some of the predator guides might make it worth the land owners while.

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#1059906 - 11/24/09 08:00 AM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: passthru]
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Dang, wish some of the coyote problems were closer to me...I'm licensed for M-44s and was a gov't trapper back in the 80's.

Fur trapping is one thing, predator/depredation control is a whole different story...you are usually after predators that have turned to killing domestics or agriculture crops (coyotes will do a number on watermelon fields). Knowing 'how' to set foot-hold traps for them and not wise them up is the main key as well as scent control, set location and also gang-setting.


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#1060371 - 11/24/09 11:24 AM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: FiremanJG]
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#1060390 - 11/24/09 11:30 AM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: kyotee1]
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Originally Posted By: kyotee1
coyotes will do a number on watermelon fields).


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#1060942 - 11/24/09 03:10 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: Brandon A]
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Registered: 07/20/09
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Loc: Kempner, tx
1/8 in cable is too big for coyote. it doesn't tighten as well on them as smaller ones and it's easier to see. try 3/32, i think your money will be better spent. steel traps can be had fairly cheap on ebay, or you can order from the company. Duke, victor, montgomery, sleepy creek, and blake and lamb all still make traps. duke are the cheapest, but they are not made quite as well as the others, a big yote can tear one up, especially if it is not quite big enough. look up how to make a dirt hole set, it's a lot of trappers' bread and butter set and it's not that diffcult. you're gonna have to boil your traps and handle them with gloves, if a coyote smells the trap he's either gonna dig it up or roll on it, neither will get him caught. good luck.

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#2741699 - 11/10/11 09:29 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: FiremanJG]
DavidG Offline
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Registered: 11/10/11
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Hi Guys. I'm new here. We have a BIG coyote problem here in Indiana. We're in deep ravined forest lands, with flat farm fields on high ground. Lots of feed for coyotes. Here , if you search the ravines you can usually find their den dug in under some tree roots. I have some extensive expierence from the wine industry in that CO2 from fermenting wine can kill a person in about 6 breaths. by the time you realize that your dizzy, it's too late to do anything but fall thur the door.
My, as yet untried solution, is to carry a small bottle of CO2 from a welding supply store to the den, run a hose in, and shovel dirt over all openings. I would estimate that 60 secounds of CO2 from the high pressure bottle should flood any den area.


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#2742513 - 11/11/11 08:56 AM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: cbump]
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Registered: 10/13/10
Posts: 667
Loc: Ft. Worth
Originally Posted By: cbump
I am sure there is all kinds of chemicals that would work but I would be really careful. In fact I probably wouldn't do it. You can get in some serious trouble if you inadvertantly poison something else. Even buzzards dieing from eating poisoned coyotes.

If hunting isn't working maybe you could call a government trapper.


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#2742873 - 11/11/11 10:31 AM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: TX35]
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Registered: 10/02/11
Posts: 105
Loc: Wylie, texas
if youre going for the do it yourself trapping and snaring you might want to look at the arcives on trapperman.com. Trapping can also be pretty addicting. I trap quite a bit myself.


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#2743350 - 11/11/11 01:39 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: StoegerM3500]
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Registered: 02/26/10
Posts: 110
Loc: Dallas
Snares hanging from the bottom strand of a fence work great. Bait it and make sure that the fence is low enough that a deer wont go under it. Foot hold traps are great too. I've only used them once, but we killed a hog and wired the carcass to a tree as bait. Set out 5 traps around the carcass and had 2 coyotes in the traps the next morning and caught another one later that afternoon.


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#2744049 - 11/11/11 06:11 PM Re: Coyote poison? [Re: UTMallard]
echoman8 Offline
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Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 13
Loc: 79731
Your solution should work great. When we trapped, we were provided smoke bombs.

But the only solution is persistent predator control. At the least, practice intensive methods from November thru April.

Contained below is info explaining why. I wrote this for a different forum and just copied it for you.






COYOTE FACTS

To every fact about a coyote, there is an exception. These facts are for the other 99%.


"DID YOU KNOW:


-Depending on the coyote density, a pair will set up a permanent territory of 10 square miles or more
-Coyotes only breed once each year
-Even the males are infertile most of the rest of the year
-Average litters during average years: West Texas is 4; Central Texas is 6. Almost all pups make it to 1 year
-Coyotes live in pairs (one male and one female) rather than packs. They do not look for a leader as do dogs and wolves
-Females will have large litters during good conditions, small litters in poor conditions, and will reabsorb fetus when conditions are very bad.
-Although the coyote will mate (rarely) with dogs and wolves, the genetics are so strong, within a few generations the coyote traits dominate.
-A pair of coyotes (a small percentage) can learn to hunt together so well, that they can bring down grown deer and small to medium size cattle.
-The main threat to cattle is seizing the newborn calf. When this happens, there is seldom any evidence left. In the panhandle, an intensive coyote control was conducted with ranchers reporting a 15% increase in the calf crop in the months following.
-When the population of coyotes is high and the deer herd is low, the coyotes will kill all or almost all of the fawns. So, seeing how many fawns live for a few months is a good indicator of damage caused by coyotes.
-Coyotes are commonly mistaken for wolves. Remember a wolf is taller than a German shepherd and has a footprint the size of a ladies hand.
-With a winter coat, the coyote can look very large, but less than 1% in central and west Texas will weigh 40 lbs or more.
-When coyotes have been captured ---- tagged ------ and then recaptured (a year or more later), the average distance that the recaptured coyotes traveled from their initial capture point was 26 miles. This implies that a yearling coyote might and probably does travel an average of 26 miles to establish a new territory. Keeping this in mind then, if each year all coyotes were removed in a circle with a radius of 26 miles (52 miles in diameter), the following year new coyotes would reinhabit the unclaimed area. That area would be 2100 square miles..


COYOTE YEARLY CYCLE:
---------The dates below are target dates. 90% of the activity below happens within 2 weeks of the target dates.

-------- TARGET DATES ---------------

FEBRUARY 15; The pair breeds
APRIL 15; The pups are born. The mom has already dug a den in soft ground. The pups will stay underground for a few weeks. The adults restrict their movement until the following late fall.
JULY 15; The pups find their voice and get real noisy for a while. The parents will scold them and by August, most of the howling is stopped
AUGUST 15; The pups begin traveling and learning from the parents.
DECEMBER 15; The yearling female travels to find and set up a new territory of her own.
JANUARY 15; The yearling male finds the female.

And then the cycle repeats. Each year, the pair may have one or two yearling (holdover pups) stay with them.

During Nov 1 through March 1, there is tremendous movement of young coyotes searching for a territory of their own and also the older ones marking and protecting their territory.

If a "pack" is simply a group of coyotes, then there are sometimes a "pack" of coyotes, but, if the definition of "pack" is meant to be the same as a "pack of wolves", then the word is misused for coyotes. There is a very distinct difference in the biology of the coyote and the wolf.

A wolf pack has a dominant male (alpha) and female that the other pack members follow (somewhat similar to us). In the absence of other wolves, we become the alpha wolf to a pet wolf. Wolves are predictable in their travel habits and are easier to catch. A sidenote, the greatest living wolf trapper remaining in the world lives near Abilene.

Coyotes on the other hand look up to no one but have an intimate relationship with their mate. Those who have tried to tame a coyote find total failure at about 2 years. All trappers will tell you that catching the last few coyotes in an area is the most difficult trapping in the world. No exaggeration.

A while back, a local goat rancher said "we never had any problems with coyotes back in the 40's and 50's". It caught me off guard. I had to think and then realized there was one major event: THE ERADICATION OF THE SCREWWORM. For those who don't know, the screwworm is the larvae (maggot) of a fly. The screwworm fly lays eggs on a wound and the larvae eat away at the flesh. Practically any wild animal scratched from spring through fall (prior to 1960 in Texas) would die.

Also, during the 60's compound 1080 poison was used extensively and eradicated the coyote through much of Texas. Compound 1080 is very "canine specific" meaning that a tiny amount will kill a coyote, but a relatively large amount will not bother a buzzard or skunk and other animals which are not canine. In 1972, compound 1080 was banned (for baiting carcasses). This allowed the coyote to quickly repopulate.

Another event: The fur market changed (most furs are shipped to Europe). About 20 years ago, the fur growers in Europe had a law passed preventing furs from being imported where the leghold trap was still legal for use (this targeted the US). The drop in fur prices took away much of the incentive for coyote hunting".




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