I've heard of Havelock. Pretty well known Setter. What I always loved about Setters, when I was growing up we had them. They would run loose all year long as normal house dogs. But once hunting season came, they were all go. Would point, honor and retrieve with the best of them. Never spent a dime on training, my granddad did it all himself. They would hunt a 1/4 mile of hedgerow and if they went down, no matter how far away, they'd still be locked when you got there. Sure wish I could have kept their line going.